Maybe Jason Kidd can fill in for Kyrie. Need a guy to handle the ball and he wouldn't raise the average age of the roster much at all
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Going from 10-year championship window to fire sale in the span of a month is truly nasty workFriscoKid said:Quote:
That doesn't change the fact that it's still a good roster.
It sucks and it's a complete rebuild thanks to the GM. Sell off everything for draft picks at this point.
I wasnt meaning to call you out, but more just quotes and articles that have come out after the fact (including from Brunson himself)Zachary Klement said:I was off on the Brunson thing.PatAg said:Yea, Im not buying the revisionist history. Brunson clearly was gone, I dont care what he says after the fact.shack009 said:Zachary Klement said:If I recall correctly, they had a chance to sign Brunson midway through the 21-22 season as well and by that point, there was more data that pointed toward him being better than the guy we saw in the Clippers series, no?shack009 said:
The Brunson narrative has gotten out of control in the past month also.
He was borderline unplayable in the Clippers series in 21 and he was all but headed to his dad in NY by the middle of that offseason. It would have taken $20 million+ to get him to sign the extension and the Mavs would have been crazy to agree to that after how he played in the playoffs.
People have let their emotions completely get ahold of them.
No, he was all but gone before the season.
Never mind that it's hard to have a fire sale when all the goods are broken and held together with duct tape.Goldie Wilson said:Going from 10-year championship window to fire sale in the span of a month is truly nasty workFriscoKid said:Quote:
That doesn't change the fact that it's still a good roster.
It sucks and it's a complete rebuild thanks to the GM. Sell off everything for draft picks at this point.
haha i didn't realize it's an NBA rule that a team MUST have 8 active players. I'm curious what would have happened if they were down 1 more man? Like, would the NBA allow them to activate another G leaguer?
All offense intended with the following.500,000ags said:
Fandom since 2000 (since I was 11) and these cretin outsiders just ripped this org to shreds.
If you have been a fan that long, there is NO possible way you could ever consider rooting for the Spurs instead.
Same, and every person I actually know feels the same as we do. They arent ready to just forever give up on the Mavs, but they are definitely done with actively following this season, and are very upset with the front office.zgolfz85 said:
I've still yet to see a single person I know whether on here or real life renewing season tix
I'm sure we all will keep tabs on the team, and if they manage to make the playoffs we will see if we all actually don't watch or not.
(I probably will, just due to the fact that I always watch the nba playoffs..and I DO like the guys on the team that are still there)
I'm watching highlights of Luka, and occassionally catching stretches of their games live, but definitely not becoming a Lakers fan. I think that would be weird for any adult to do....now for kids that are like 8 to 22-23 who Luka has been their guy, maybe couldnt blame them for swapping.
agreed on all. I'll always root for Luka...sucks that it's LAL of all teams that he went to.PatAg said:Same, and every person I actually know feels the same as we do. They arent ready to just forever give up on the Mavs, but they are definitely done with actively following this season, and are very upset with the front office.zgolfz85 said:
I've still yet to see a single person I know whether on here or real life renewing season tix
I'm sure we all will keep tabs on the team, and if they manage to make the playoffs we will see if we all actually don't watch or not.
(I probably will, just due to the fact that I always watch the nba playoffs..and I DO like the guys on the team that are still there)
I'm watching highlights of Luka, and occassionally catching stretches of their games live, but definitely not becoming a Lakers fan. I think that would be weird for any adult to do....now for kids that are like 8 to 22-23 who Luka has been their guy, maybe couldnt blame them for swapping.
I've honestly polled like 20 people I know with season tix....NONE are renewing. I know that's anecdotal, but I have to think ownership and the FO has to be in crisis mode now. Surely they're seeing that kind of sentiment arena-wide, and likely from corporate box owners and sponsors too. What a ****ing comedy of business errors. You absolutely have to fire Nico if you're Dumont and co now. Initially, that would have been silly and viewed as admitting a mistake that you didn't want to admit....but at this point, you have to do it to have a fighter's chance of not losing the city and fanbase for a long time. He has to be your scapegoat.
I'll personally be rooting for the Cavs, loosely. I like their roster, I like the blue collar mentality. They've got a young group that's fun to watch and an ownership group that gets it. The fact they were able to weather the on again off again Lebron eras and get back to top contender status in relatively short order and with youth is impressive. And, I think we're all tired of Boston on top of it.
at this point, anyone but Boston
Yeah, I feel you. I did not pay as much attention to it after he left...he was gone and it seemed like we were still in fine shape. I was also super high on Hardy after the draft lolPatAg said:I wasnt meaning to call you out, but more just quotes and articles that have come out after the fact (including from Brunson himself)Zachary Klement said:I was off on the Brunson thing.PatAg said:Yea, Im not buying the revisionist history. Brunson clearly was gone, I dont care what he says after the fact.shack009 said:Zachary Klement said:If I recall correctly, they had a chance to sign Brunson midway through the 21-22 season as well and by that point, there was more data that pointed toward him being better than the guy we saw in the Clippers series, no?shack009 said:
The Brunson narrative has gotten out of control in the past month also.
He was borderline unplayable in the Clippers series in 21 and he was all but headed to his dad in NY by the middle of that offseason. It would have taken $20 million+ to get him to sign the extension and the Mavs would have been crazy to agree to that after how he played in the playoffs.
People have let their emotions completely get ahold of them.
No, he was all but gone before the season.
The Mavs went from always being known for loyalty and the 2011 run, to now being known as the team that traded Luka. Luka was going to be an extension of what made the Mavs great, and now it's this bull***** For Christs sake, this team is owned and run by Sheldon Adelson's (who I already didn't care for) offshoots.
Plus, the Mavs & Spurs hate has morphed into mutual respect over the years. Tony Parker credited Dirk for being the best NBA Euro ever. These two teams gave me some of the best rivalry sports competition of my lifetime.
Plus, the Mavs & Spurs hate has morphed into mutual respect over the years. Tony Parker credited Dirk for being the best NBA Euro ever. These two teams gave me some of the best rivalry sports competition of my lifetime.
Yea, but you never change up and start rooting for your rival...500,000ags said:
The Mavs went from always being known for loyalty and the 2011 run, to now being known as the team that traded Luka. Luka was going to be an extension of what made the Mavs great, and now it's this bull***** For Christs sake, this team is owned and run by Sheldon Adelson's (who I already didn't care for) offshoots.
Plus, the Mavs & Spurs hate has morphed into mutual respect over the years. Tony Parker credited Dirk for being the best NBA Euro ever. These two teams gave me some of the best rivalry sports competition of my lifetime.
I don't actively root against the Spurs anymore. I don't actively root for the Mavs right now, so it's just even I guess.
I never thought I'd be here. As a die hard mavs fan, i am now in a state of apathy. Who cares what happens to them. They can draft cooper flagg and nico might trade him because he is not kobe.
It's truly a case study in a business absolutely burning the bridge to its community/fan base in one month. Very very hard to think of another situation like this, the way it's happened.
It's truly a case study in a business absolutely burning the bridge to its community/fan base in one month. Very very hard to think of another situation like this, the way it's happened.
PatAg said:Same, and every person I actually know feels the same as we do. They arent ready to just forever give up on the Mavs, but they are definitely done with actively following this season, and are very upset with the front office.zgolfz85 said:
I've still yet to see a single person I know whether on here or real life renewing season tix
I'm sure we all will keep tabs on the team, and if they manage to make the playoffs we will see if we all actually don't watch or not.
(I probably will, just due to the fact that I always watch the nba playoffs..and I DO like the guys on the team that are still there)
Agree with this as well.
I also know noone that is renewing tickets. And I literally mean no one.
I'm watching highlights of Luka, and occassionally catching stretches of their games live, but definitely not becoming a Lakers fan. I think that would be weird for any adult to do....now for kids that are like 8 to 22-23 who Luka has been their guy, maybe couldnt blame them for swapping.
Agreed. I also know literally no one that is renewing, including myself. Not one person, and I'm talking about die hard fans.
I can't be a lakers fan. But I'm rooting so hard for them to win the finals this year as a permanent **** you to Nico and dumont. I don't think they can do it, but it would be so awesome if they did. So I'm really rooting for a **** you to Nico and dumont, and also rooting for Luka to provide that **** you to them, which means I am rooting for the lakers this year. And probably the next few years honestly. But it's not bc I'm a lakers fan.
I always thought the brooklyn nets with KD, Kyrie and Harden flopping would be the poster child of an NBA team crashing and burning. This is worse, which is insane.
My basketball fan friends don't even bring it up anymore. They initially reached out sympathetically the night of the trade, and then even joked at our expense a few days later when the dust settled. Now, they just don't bring it up because it's such a sad state of affairs. You know you've failed as a GM and ownership group when opposing fanbases don't even want to poke fun because of how bleak and depressing the situation is. And, I think they all realize the karma component if they were to pile on. **** Nico. **** Dumont. **** Cuban.
My basketball fan friends don't even bring it up anymore. They initially reached out sympathetically the night of the trade, and then even joked at our expense a few days later when the dust settled. Now, they just don't bring it up because it's such a sad state of affairs. You know you've failed as a GM and ownership group when opposing fanbases don't even want to poke fun because of how bleak and depressing the situation is. And, I think they all realize the karma component if they were to pile on. **** Nico. **** Dumont. **** Cuban.
Mom & Pop builds a company. They are loyal to their employees and customers, treat them like family. The company grows and becomes valuable, more complicated. Mom & Pop no longer have the time to manage everything. Life is changing; their interests are changing. The company is still growing. They need a new warehouse. The need new equipment. Do they really want to oversee the next 25 years like they did the last 25 years?
So they answer the call from a VC. They've been watching Mom & Pop, and they want to sit down and talk about what the future of the company looks like. "We share your vision!" the VC says. The pitch deck is convincing. They seem to understand what Mom & Pop built. And the numbers don't hurt, either.
They worry because the VC wants a controlling share of the company, but Mom & Pop have made every decision together, by themselves, the last 25 years. "Don't worry," the VC says. "We understand what you did to build this and how you made it so valuable. You will be in every decision. Your counsel is critical."
Mom & Pop are relieved. And the numbers still don't hurt. So they smile and sign on the dotted line, happy to set down the reigns. Convinced their 27% and decades of experience will help make sure the future of the company is secured.
A year later, the VC has sold off the most valuable assets. They've mistreated their employees, raised their prices, and alienated their customers. It's only been a year, but it feels like 25 to Mom & Pop.
And what can they do? Sit and smile, knowing they made a mistake. After all, they don't call them "sharks" for nothing.
So they answer the call from a VC. They've been watching Mom & Pop, and they want to sit down and talk about what the future of the company looks like. "We share your vision!" the VC says. The pitch deck is convincing. They seem to understand what Mom & Pop built. And the numbers don't hurt, either.
They worry because the VC wants a controlling share of the company, but Mom & Pop have made every decision together, by themselves, the last 25 years. "Don't worry," the VC says. "We understand what you did to build this and how you made it so valuable. You will be in every decision. Your counsel is critical."
Mom & Pop are relieved. And the numbers still don't hurt. So they smile and sign on the dotted line, happy to set down the reigns. Convinced their 27% and decades of experience will help make sure the future of the company is secured.
A year later, the VC has sold off the most valuable assets. They've mistreated their employees, raised their prices, and alienated their customers. It's only been a year, but it feels like 25 to Mom & Pop.
And what can they do? Sit and smile, knowing they made a mistake. After all, they don't call them "sharks" for nothing.
exactly. it's a classic tale. If he really loves the fans, the city and the baby he raised, he'd be looking for other suitors behind the scenes (VC, billionaires, etc.) that actually give a **** about having a competitive and city-embraced team again. He'd be the biggest hero of all time after falling into villain status by selling to a bottom line only pos ownership group.MW03 said:
Mom & Pop builds a company. They are loyal to their employees and customers, treat them like family. The company grows and becomes valuable, more complicated. Mom & Pop no longer have the time to manage everything. Life is changing; their interests are changing. The company is still growing. They need a new warehouse. The need new equipment. Do they really want to oversee the next 25 years like they did the last 25 years?
So they answer the call from a VC. They've been watching Mom & Pop, and they want to sit down and talk about what the future of the company looks like. "We share your vision!" the VC says. The pitch deck is convincing. They seem to understand what Mom & Pop built. And the numbers don't hurt, either.
They worry because the VC wants a controlling share of the company, but Mom & Pop have made every decision together, by themselves, the last 25 years. "Don't worry," the VC says. "We understand what you did to build this and how you made it so valuable. You will be in every decision. Your counsel is critical."
Mom & Pop are relieved. And the numbers still don't hurt. So they smile and sign on the dotted line, happy to set down the reigns. Convinced their 27% and decades of experience will help make sure the future of the company is secured.
A year later, the VC has sold off the most valuable assets. They've mistreated their employees, raised their prices, and alienated their customers. It's only been a year, but it feels like 25 to Mom & Pop.
And what can they do? Sit and smile, knowing they made a mistake. After all, they don't call them "sharks" for nothing.
Yep. The basketball ops involvement after the sale was interesting. Sure seemed like he got pushed aside faster than we were led to believe would happen. But you sold 73%, so with minority interest comes a minority share of power. But he unquestionably F'd the franchise with 2 decisions
I'm guessing Nico undermined him with Dumont to make that happen. Nico saw an angle to full autonomy with Mark pushed out
I'm guessing Nico undermined him with Dumont to make that happen. Nico saw an angle to full autonomy with Mark pushed out
Except Cuban isn't Mom & Pop and knows better than anyone that his 27% is worthless and that he would have no control whatsoever post-Closing. So he does not get a pass like Mom & Pop would. Mom & Pop didn't know how the process works with VC/Private Equity and truly believed everything would be the same after closing (because they took VC/Private Equity at their word). Cuban knows this isn't the case, and thus deserves a ton of blame for who he sold to.MW03 said:
Mom & Pop builds a company. They are loyal to their employees and customers, treat them like family. The company grows and becomes valuable, more complicated. Mom & Pop no longer have the time to manage everything. Life is changing; their interests are changing. The company is still growing. They need a new warehouse. The need new equipment. Do they really want to oversee the next 25 years like they did the last 25 years?
So they answer the call from a VC. They've been watching Mom & Pop, and they want to sit down and talk about what the future of the company looks like. "We share your vision!" the VC says. The pitch deck is convincing. They seem to understand what Mom & Pop built. And the numbers don't hurt, either.
They worry because the VC wants a controlling share of the company, but Mom & Pop have made every decision together, by themselves, the last 25 years. "Don't worry," the VC says. "We understand what you did to build this and how you made it so valuable. You will be in every decision. Your counsel is critical."
Mom & Pop are relieved. And the numbers still don't hurt. So they smile and sign on the dotted line, happy to set down the reigns. Convinced their 27% and decades of experience will help make sure the future of the company is secured.
A year later, the VC has sold off the most valuable assets. They've mistreated their employees, raised their prices, and alienated their customers. It's only been a year, but it feels like 25 to Mom & Pop.
And what can they do? Sit and smile, knowing they made a mistake. After all, they don't call them "sharks" for nothing.
If Cuban really cared about the franchise, he would have sold to someone vested in Dallas, etc. And certainly not Dumbass Dumont.
I don't blame Cuban as much as Nico or Dumont. But I definitely blame him. And to make matter worse, he didn't even get a good price from the Adelsons. So it seems like he was dead set on selling to them. He definitely would have received a higher price if he put the Mavs on the market.
**** Cuban.
The only other plausible scenario is that Harrison thinks he's the smartest guy in the room after the moves he made and figured he could spend Luka, win a championship with AD and KI, and the age of the franchise wouldn't be his problem because he'd be off at a glitzy job as the NBA wunderkind managing the Knicks or something.
So he endeavored to do so, counting the fact that Dumont & Co. know nothing about basketball or the city of Dallas. He sold them a bill of goods about Luka, they bought it hook line and sinker because it made sense to their bottom line not ponying up for a supermax guarantee. Now the house of cards is falling down around Harrison as everything that wasn't supposed to happen is happening. Luka is finding it in Los Angeles. Davis's injury turned out to be a season-ender. KI goes down with a season-ender.
What Harrison should do now is sell everything except a couple of players. But doing so would require him to mean that he's not the smartest guy in the room. However, Dumont & Co. almost certainly have to fire him now, even if they were complicit, because it's gone so badly so quickly that they have to be at least somewhat concerned about the value of their asset and need scapegoat.
This may very well be a situation where they came in here seriously trying to build a resort and run a championship franchise, but now have no choice but to move the team because they can't build a feature resort around a losing franchise with no curb appeal.
It really is the wildest scenario in professional sports that I have seen in my lifetime.
So he endeavored to do so, counting the fact that Dumont & Co. know nothing about basketball or the city of Dallas. He sold them a bill of goods about Luka, they bought it hook line and sinker because it made sense to their bottom line not ponying up for a supermax guarantee. Now the house of cards is falling down around Harrison as everything that wasn't supposed to happen is happening. Luka is finding it in Los Angeles. Davis's injury turned out to be a season-ender. KI goes down with a season-ender.
What Harrison should do now is sell everything except a couple of players. But doing so would require him to mean that he's not the smartest guy in the room. However, Dumont & Co. almost certainly have to fire him now, even if they were complicit, because it's gone so badly so quickly that they have to be at least somewhat concerned about the value of their asset and need scapegoat.
This may very well be a situation where they came in here seriously trying to build a resort and run a championship franchise, but now have no choice but to move the team because they can't build a feature resort around a losing franchise with no curb appeal.
It really is the wildest scenario in professional sports that I have seen in my lifetime.
mavsfan4ever said:Except Cuban isn't Mom & Pop and knows better than anyone that his 27% is worthless and that he would have no control whatsoever post-Closing. So he does not get a pass like Mom & Pop would. Mom & Pop didn't know how the process works with VC/Private Equity and truly believed everything would be the same after closing (because they took VC/Private Equity at their word). Cuban knows this isn't the case, and thus deserves a ton of blame for who he sold to.MW03 said:
Mom & Pop builds a company. They are loyal to their employees and customers, treat them like family. The company grows and becomes valuable, more complicated. Mom & Pop no longer have the time to manage everything. Life is changing; their interests are changing. The company is still growing. They need a new warehouse. The need new equipment. Do they really want to oversee the next 25 years like they did the last 25 years?
So they answer the call from a VC. They've been watching Mom & Pop, and they want to sit down and talk about what the future of the company looks like. "We share your vision!" the VC says. The pitch deck is convincing. They seem to understand what Mom & Pop built. And the numbers don't hurt, either.
They worry because the VC wants a controlling share of the company, but Mom & Pop have made every decision together, by themselves, the last 25 years. "Don't worry," the VC says. "We understand what you did to build this and how you made it so valuable. You will be in every decision. Your counsel is critical."
Mom & Pop are relieved. And the numbers still don't hurt. So they smile and sign on the dotted line, happy to set down the reigns. Convinced their 27% and decades of experience will help make sure the future of the company is secured.
A year later, the VC has sold off the most valuable assets. They've mistreated their employees, raised their prices, and alienated their customers. It's only been a year, but it feels like 25 to Mom & Pop.
And what can they do? Sit and smile, knowing they made a mistake. After all, they don't call them "sharks" for nothing.
If Cuban really cared about the franchise, he would have sold to someone vested in Dallas, etc. And certainly not Dumbass Dumont.
I don't blame Cuban as much as Nico or Dumont. But I definitely blame him. And to make matter worse, he didn't even get a good price from the Adelsons. So it seems like he was dead set on selling to them. He definitely would have received a higher price if he put the Mavs on the market.
**** Cuban.
Oh I agree. I was making fun of Mr. Shark Tank because the only way he's not complicit if he's a rube and not the business savant he plays on ABC. The truth is that he is very good at business, and he is partly responsible for this because he sold out. He also probably understood that he'd be part of a Mavs ownership group that would later also hold a sizeable share in whatever resort development centered around the new arena would be.
DannyDuberstein said:
Yep. The basketball ops involvement after the sale was interesting. Sure seemed like he got pushed aside faster than we were led to believe would happen. But you sold 73%, so with minority interest comes a minority share of power. But he unquestionably F'd the franchise with 2 decisions
I'm guessing Nico undermined him with Dumont to make that happen. Nico saw an angle to full autonomy with Mark pushed out
I think absolutely Cuban got pushed aside faster than he was thinking he would. The league told him he couldn't sit courtside at away games anymore this season and they basically are doing him a favor by allowing him to keep his sane home owners seats where he usually sits. He was not expecting that at all.
Cuban 100% is trying to get in on the gambling ground floor. Cuban cares about the Mavs and its fans, but he cares about himself and his money much, much more. Which is his prerogative.
It really highlights how weird we are with our fandom to professional organizations that are primarily here to make money, not make us happy or fulfilled. And we just eat the **** that they shovel b/c we were born close to their stadium. It's completely ridiculous when you really think about it.
It really highlights how weird we are with our fandom to professional organizations that are primarily here to make money, not make us happy or fulfilled. And we just eat the **** that they shovel b/c we were born close to their stadium. It's completely ridiculous when you really think about it.
This is true, but part of being valuable is being good. So there is an incentive for good basketball.
Sure the Wizards have increased in value, but not as much as the Timberwolves have.
Sure the Wizards have increased in value, but not as much as the Timberwolves have.
I can literally find fault in Nico, Dumont, Cuban, Luka, Kidd, et al.
Us fans just have to watch these buffoons win sometimes, lose sometimes, and always cash big checks.
Us fans just have to watch these buffoons win sometimes, lose sometimes, and always cash big checks.
500,000ags said:
I can literally find fault in Nico, Dumont, Cuban, Luka, Kidd, et al.
Us fans just have to watch these buffoons win sometimes, lose sometimes, and always cash big checks.
Reasonable take alert.
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