Oh wow, I forgot this all happened at a post game presser... or was it in the middle of a game? oh wait- was it was at media days? After practice?

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agz win said:

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Has someone posted an actual list of of the team players and the admin and professors that we are supposed to hate? It's hard to keep up when so many broad strokes are being painted. Is it all the players, TMF, admin, profs and students - vocal and those you deem condone it in silence?

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If one player gets a "targeting" penalty, the whole team gets a "targeting" penalty.

At least when it pertains to penalties, coaches either argue the penalty was wrong and can call for a review... or they just view it as a good call.

They acknowledge it... and make for a correction.

If a player gets called for the same Unsportsmanlike penalty 3 weeks in a row and the coach doesn't correct for it... he tells the player the penalty is fine and the team is willing to accept it.

If the AD likes the job the coach is doing, he supports the coach. If he doesn't, he corrects for it.

If an AD keeps a coach that embarrasses him, then the next in line is responsible. If the AD is doing a terrible job... it likely bleeds over into other sports. You don't have to like it. Just the way organizations work.

Plenty of bankrupt companies at the hands of a few, and everyone suffered. Almost like Enron. Lots of innocent carnage to good folks.

That is how sports work.

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You're comparing allowing protests to Enron?

You're not supposed to think too hard about it

technoviking said:

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You're comparing allowing protests to Enron?

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He's comparing our athletic program and its funding to Enron.

And based on the last couple of pleas from Bjork and the TMF, they're not doing much to dispel that comparison.

Love to see Young, et al begging. Reveling in their misery.

agz win said:

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Has someone posted an actual list of of the team players and the admin and professors that we are supposed to hate? It's hard to keep up when so many broad strokes are being painted. Is it all the players, TMF, admin, profs and students - vocal and those you deem condone it in silence?

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No one is calling on anyone to "hate" anyone else.

Ending all support because you do not like or appreciate their rhetoric, actions and attitudes is not "hate"

AgDotCom said:

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technoviking said:

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You're comparing allowing protests to Enron?

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He's comparing our athletic program and its funding to Enron.

And based on the last couple of pleas from Bjork and the TMF, they're not doing much to dispel that comparison.

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They're completely different situations. If you guys are so offended by what has transpired over the last couple of weeks, then please do what you have have been virtue signaling about and actually leave the A&M system. You clearly do not want to be apart of it. So spend all that money you love to flaunt about virtually and do something else with your lives.

Or support Texas A&M athletics.

Gig em.

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agz win said:

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Has someone posted an actual list of of the team players and the admin and professors that we are supposed to hate? It's hard to keep up when so many broad strokes are being painted. Is it all the players, TMF, admin, profs and students - vocal and those you deem condone it in silence?

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No one is calling on anyone to "hate" anyone else.

Ending all support because you do not like or appreciate their rhetoric, actions and attitudes is not "hate"

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I'm cool with you hating Michael Alvard.

greg.w.h said:

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The bigger issue is the subject is dividing Aggies. And we don't need help finding ways to do that...

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No, it's not.

technoviking said:

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AgDotCom said:

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technoviking said:

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You're comparing allowing protests to Enron?

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He's comparing our athletic program and its funding to Enron.

And based on the last couple of pleas from Bjork and the TMF, they're not doing much to dispel that comparison.

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They're completely different situations. If you guys are so offended by what has transpired over the last couple of weeks, then please do what you have have been virtue signaling about and actually leave the A&M system. You clearly do not want to be apart of it. So spend all that money you love to flaunt about virtually and do something else with your lives.

Or support Texas A&M athletics.

Gig em.

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I've been to hundreds of A&M football games dating back to 1968. Living in B/CS all but 7 years, I've also been to hundreds more basketball and baseball games. I'll take my own advice thank you, not someone else's, especially one who thinks this about "virtue signaling". If that's what you think this is, you're oblivious to what's going on here. People are withholding their money because they're fed up, and they don't give a howdy flip if someone else sees it and makes them look cool. The reaction is visceral, it's not for show. If things change, we'll be back. If they don't, we'll be doing other things.

The TMF has a priority points system. Well, so do I, and several other things have moved ahead of A&M athletics.

Welcome to the club. I quit giving to the University when they quit giving Legacy points. The handwriting was o the wall. No one even knows what that is/was now.

it would be fair to ask the TMF/AD the obvious question...

what did you do with all the money?

$200 million in annual revenue...and now in desperate straits?

I'm going to support our university and football team if and when they play and I hope you do too. In the meantime I'm going to yell at my wife priest and liberals, not other aggies, and I'll be hoping you do the same. Side note wife went to TU, no ones perfect.

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technoviking said:

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AgDotCom said:

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technoviking said:

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You're comparing allowing protests to Enron?

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He's comparing our athletic program and its funding to Enron.

And based on the last couple of pleas from Bjork and the TMF, they're not doing much to dispel that comparison.

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They're completely different situations. If you guys are so offended by what has transpired over the last couple of weeks, then please do what you have have been virtue signaling about and actually leave the A&M system. You clearly do not want to be apart of it. So spend all that money you love to flaunt about virtually and do something else with your lives.

Or support Texas A&M athletics.

Gig em.

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I've been to hundreds of A&M football games dating back to 1968. Living in B/CS all but 7 years, I've also been to hundreds more basketball and baseball games. I'll take my own advice thank you, not someone else's, especially one who thinks this about "virtue signaling". If that's what you think this is, you're oblivious to what's going on here. People are withholding their money because they're fed up, and they don't give a howdy flip if someone else sees it and makes them look cool. The reaction is visceral, it's not for show. If things change, we'll be back. If they don't, we'll be doing other things.

The TMF has a priority points system. Well, so do I, and several other things have moved ahead of A&M athletics.

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That's great. You've clearly made up your mind and the entity that you helped to fund for years isn't what you like anymore.

So do as you say you will and leave. Unless you decide to come back, which you also awkwardly said you would.

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Welcome to the club. I quit giving to the University when they quit giving Legacy points. The handwriting was o the wall. No one even knows what that is/was now.

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A lot of people know what this is now. You don't. And that's okay.

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it would be fair to ask the TMF/AD the obvious question...

what did you do with all the money?

$200 million in annual revenue...and now in desperate straits?

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I have wondered that myself these last few days.... We were second only to Texas in revenues for our NCAA programs, and you would think that would put us in a good to great position. Revenues minus expenses should be putting us in a decently comfortable position.... especially compared to other schools. Hell, Alabama is running a deficit and they're way better in football than we are.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Considering that this is A&M and there is definitely an element of the good ol' boy club still present.... I am open to outright fraud and embezzlement.

technoviking said:

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That's great. You've clearly made up your mind and the entity that you helped to fund for years isn't what you like anymore.

So do as you say you will and leave. Unless you decide to come back, which you also awkwardly said you would.

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Though now the donation money has to be made up from somewhere else. Or, we just a male and female sport and call it a day.

Truth be told... let's start cutting expenses now before Fall 2020 tuition is due.

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W said:

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it would be fair to ask the TMF/AD the obvious question...

what did you do with all the money?

$200 million in annual revenue...and now in desperate straits?

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I have wondered that myself these last few days.... We were second only to Texas in revenues for our NCAA programs, and you would think that would put us in a good to great position. Revenues minus expenses should be putting us in a decently comfortable position.... especially compared to other schools. Hell, Alabama is running a deficit and they're way better in football than we are.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Considering that this is A&M and there is definitely an element of the good ol' boy club still present.... I am open to outright fraud and embezzlement.

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I think Alabama is as great as they are because they have Nick Saban as head coach and complete buy in from the donors to get NFL talent from across the country.

We had Sumlin unfortunately, but now Jimbo. And apparently a bunch of old "rich" Ags that make or break the system that think scholarships are bunk and that student athletes should have to earn their keep once they get to campus.

You all realize that doing this will make us worse than Arkansas, right? If that wets your palette, then please stop contributing and leave. Your entitlement is no longer needed and is an unnecessary distraction to the athletic programs.

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technoviking said:

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That's great. You've clearly made up your mind and the entity that you helped to fund for years isn't what you like anymore.

So do as you say you will and leave. Unless you decide to come back, which you also awkwardly said you would.

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Though now the donation money has to be made up from somewhere else. Or, we just a male and female sport and call it a day.

Truth be told... let's start cutting expenses now before Fall 2020 tuition is due.

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Why not? This country is hurtling toward a depression anyway. Save your money.

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Welcome to the club. I quit giving to the University when they quit giving Legacy points. The handwriting was o the wall. No one even knows what that is/was now.

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A lot of people know what this is now. You don't. And that's okay.

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https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-A-M-abolishes-legacy-program-1959293.php

Athletic scholarships should be eliminated.

Our university should get back to being a university.

And I'm a huge fan a aggie atletics.

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TMF and TAMU administration is going to have another headache on their hands if the football season kicks off, fans dressed in maroon and white in the stands... and the team is kneeling during the National Anthem.

Those images are going to cost a few donation dollars.

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The team has never been on the field for the anthem

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I anticipate that kneeling will occur during "The Spirit," and that will upset people as much as if done during the National Anthem.

I hope all the racists stop donating. We don't need you

According to Mond that would be almost all of us!

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Athletic scholarships should be eliminated.

Our university should get back to being a university.

And I'm a huge fan a aggie atletics.

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How much of a fan would you be if we were dead last in every sport?

And I will preemptively call BS if you say you would be just as much of one as if we weren't.

Very proud of Ags taking a stand. I am not a BMA as I only can afford to donate $1.2 annually but I know many BMAs and they said it for awhile that they will not donate another dime nor will I until these terrible ambassadors of our program leave or merely apologize and stop acting childish and thuggish.

We can't drop all we stand for and all created by Aggies before us.

Traditions mean a lot to us. Don't stop traditions.

Work on rebuilding relations with not only BMAs but the common Aggie that supports all he or she can. It all adds up.

The University of Missouri Columbia is an example of what happens when the fans and supporters believe that the university administration lost control of the situation and the perception that the 2015 protesters were running the university.

Takeaways for the table below:
1) Total Enrollment went down and has not recovered (down 15% from 2015).
2) Ticket sales has gone down and has not recovered from 2014 season (down 31%)
3) Athletic cash donations down a little in 2015 from 2013, but recovered by 2016.
4) Football team success never recovered.
5) African-American % of enrollment decreased form 7.2% to 6.7%. This is a decrease from 2,555 in 2015 to 2,023 in 2019 (down 542 students)

Fall Semester Total Enrollment


2013 34,658
2014 35,441
2015 35,488 Football Players Boycott
2016 33,266 (down 6.3% from 2015)
2017 30,870 (down 13% from 2015)
2018 29,866 (down 16% from 2015)
2019 30,046 (down 15% from 2015)


Ticket Sales ($Millions)
2013 $24.2
2014 $23.4
2015 $19.1 down 18% from 2014
2016 $18.0 down 23% from 2014
2017 $17.6 down 25% from 2014
2018 $16.2 down 31% from 2014
2019 not available

Athletic Dept Cash Donations ($Millions)
2013 $20.1
2014 $17.3
2015 $17.7
2016 $22.4
2017 $25.6
2018 $26.5
2019 not available

Football Season Record
2013 (12-2)
2014 (11-3)
2015 (5-7)
2016 (4-8)
2017 (7-6)
2018 (8-5)
2019 (6-6)

African-American Students as % of fall enrollment
2013 7.1%
2014 7.2%
2015 7.2% (2,555 students)
2016 6.9%
2017 6.7%
2018 6.9%
2019 6.7% (2,013 students)

based on the comments from fellow posters, looks like there won't be an issue with limiting Kyle Field to 50% occupancy (if there is even a season to be played this fall).

Bread8-Ag92 said:

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I pulled my donations when they kicked me out of my season ticket seats I'd had for 19 years. Their excuse was, I didn't have enough points ($$$$$) in my portfolio for them. I told them "NO MORE, I'M DONE" and they could take those tickets, my 12Th Man donations, my Letterman donations and shove'm. This is NOT the same University I've loved since I was 9 years old.

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THIS ^ The TMF lost my support after their handling of the seating reshuffling kicking people out who had supported them for years when we were a losing program...in favor of bringing in large bulk corporate ticket sales. What y'all are pissed about has been their mindset for the past 11+ years...the difference is they have crapped on a larger group of Aggies and shown the organization is not run by Aggies. No longer is it "We are the Aggies, the Aggies are we"

war hymn aggie said:

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based on the comments from fellow posters, looks like there won't be an issue with limiting Kyle Field to 50% occupancy (if there is even a season to be played this fall).

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Don't bet on it. People are starved for sports, no more so than the Aggie community.

So now, people who don't continue to give $$ to the TMF are racists?

CaliforniaAggie510 said:

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Crying over racists monuments. I think your monuments should stay if you're okay with black athletes not attending your Alma Mater?

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7 posts since joining in 2019.... 5 of which have been on THIS thread. And since 2019 haven't bothered to get an AgTag.

Yeah, keep your Wokeness in California.

CaliforniaAggie510 said:

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Crying over racists monuments. I think your monuments should stay if you're okay with black athletes not attending your Alma Mater?

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Since your in California (probably supporting Nancy), tell us why UCLA has the same percentage of black students as A&M and yet that university sits in a city that has the 6th highest black population in the U.S.?

tdb867 said:

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I hope all the racists stop donating. We don't need you

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If I don't donate, I'm a racist? Get a grip.

technoviking said:

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PaidInFull said:

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Athletic scholarships should be eliminated.

Our university should get back to being a university.

And I'm a huge fan a aggie atletics.

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How much of a fan would you be if we were dead last in every sport?

And I will preemptively call BS if you say you would be just as much of one as if we weren't.

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Wow.

I was a student through some pretty rough seasons. And we still filled the stadium and did not leave until the last second ticked off the clock. Our loyalty was not tied to W-L record.