Hey 12th Man foundation, and pretty boy Ross, here is one of your "student athletes" physically threatening an old Ag. "I will beat your butt, bro!". Mr. Jamal Walton, who, along with that Infinity fool, was driven in a golf cart to the sully protest by an employee of the school. Spare me the BS videos...this is what your athletes REALLY think of the donors who pay their scholarships.


And you still haven't said a WORD about it publicly. Pathetic.




this article about the Sully protest is FULL of gold. You can see what the "student athletes" really think about the school and the donors.


one excerpt

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As the junior Rudder and I sat there sharing stories of Texas A&M and his old hometown of Eden in west Texas, track star Infinite Tucker was on his fourth round barging into Old Ags to find an opening to climb atop the statue's base that stood about eight feet high. Somewhere during the agitation, Tucker found his mark: A middle-aged lady guarding the statue.

"She touched my dick!" Tucker cried, attempting to start his own instance of a #MeToo movement.

Eventually, the weary old Ags gave Tucker the opening he wanted and he climbed on top of Sully. A BLM protestor handed him a black flag as Tucker forged the new image for the 12th Man Foundation, the organization charged with soliciting donations and memberships to finance A&M athletic scholarships. The defiant A&M athlete stood atop the statue many Old Ags, and donors, often called "Big Money Ags," had spent their formative years in the Corps polishing with Brasso and memorizing as "campusology" the inscription on the back of its base. Tucker waved the BLM flag leading chants that at many levels denounced all who could beor arescholarship donors below him as racists.

I overheard an Old Ag ask of one of the athletes protesting Sully, "Do you know where your scholarship money comes from?" The answer pretty much summed it up. "I earned my scholarship," the athlete said.


At the beginning of the protest, the anti-Sully crowd was small, outnumbered 125 Old Ags to 25 BLM agitators according to KBTX's Rusty Surette. They stood 50 yards away from the statue chanting, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Sully's statue has got to go!" The protestors were relatively benign until the A&M athletes arrived.


The athletes led the BLM crowd to confront the Old Ags at the statue an hour later, showing that the student athletes are the true leaders of the efforts to shame the alumni.

In addition to Tucker's flicking pennies off the base of Ol' Sully, reaching around the Old Ags and barging his way to the base, while accusing ladies of touching his junk, there was another exchange recorded.
A&M Freshman redshirt sprinter Jamal Walton from Miami, Florida, declared that the Old Ags guarding the statue were "sucking Sully's dick." When challenged by an older gentleman, Walton pressed, "I will beat your butt, bro!"

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https://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2020-07-14/are-aggies-watching-ams-donor-base-burns-ground

Yeah I agree with you, my point is I don't necessarily blame the administration because I think they clearly use their resources to try. Maybe it's culture geography bad luck to your point changes needed, any number of things, but I don't think it's leadership say holding back dollars or generally being idiots in a coaching selection process. The bright side is that those are both pretty big hurdles for a lot of schools

I don't know how to tell you this... but about that National
Championship...

Houstonag said:

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The alumni need to shut down all support. Do not even show up on campus for anything academically, a banquet, all sports, etc. In fact do not even spend a dime in Bryan of CS. They are run by liberals also. Flush the commode.

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I'm pretty excited about the amazing parking situation this would incur (I dint have BMA money so If they are going to shut down our athletic program; I can't affect anything one way or the other... may as well enjoy any short term benefits)

CaliforniaAggie510 said:

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Crying over racists monuments. I think your monuments should stay if you're okay with black athletes not attending your Alma Mater?

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Tell me what is racist about the Sully monument?

And I assume that Tucker and Walton were not even reprimanded. Talk about privilege.

I assume the best case scenario is because he was a civil war general for the confederacy and nothing else. However you're seeing names or statues changed all over the country for that. I think another earlier post was well said, you could try and set A&M on fire for this but oh wait the libs also run austin Houston Dallas. I dunno I donated to Trump yesterday and think folks should start there

The problem we have is too many linebackers who can only beat the butts of senior citizens.

We need linebackers that can beat the butts of SEC running backs.

I'm sure there were many that fought in the civil war on both sides that were racist and many who weren't. I have no idea if Sully was or wasn't, just that he fought for his country and stood for many good things. That statue stands for the good things he did and most importantly the great things he did for Texas A&M University. Not to mention Prairie View A&M.

oldfart79 said:

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hay guys, think of this if you take your money that you spend for am , and now put it to st judes theres alot of very young kids that wont call you a racest , and will really love you alot. i know ive lost my child twenty yrs ago. so just think about it.

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So sorry for your loss. Sincerely. Can't imagine. Thanks for the suggestion on St Judes. Will do...will do.

The "student" who made that threat needs to be on the next bus out. I don't give a *** who he is. he needs to be gone NOW!

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impavidus said:

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Yup another thread attacking a&m athletes for having an opinion.

Does racism exist at A&M?....yes. If you can't see that, you are oblivious.

Racism exists everywhere, including reverse-racism. It sucks, but it's true. There is one group that has been oppressed more than others.

You can choose to spend every cent however you'd like. Everyone can have an opinion. They are entitled to. Time and time again, people are faulted for having an opinion that isn't the same as theirs.

There is a difference with disagreeing and personally attacking someone.

This whole situation sucks.

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You are either woefully misinformed on what this is all about or being intentionally dishonest. This is not because athletes simply have different opinions from some of us. As a conservative I have never been under the impression that A&M athletes would agree with me politically, and frankly, it never mattered one bit. I'm friends with good folks all across the political spectrum. We can disagree with each other and still understand that those who disagree with us are not bad or evil simply for having a different opinion.

Where this situation went off the rails is when Mond labeled people who don't want the Sul Ross statue to be moved as racist. He has never backed down from the statement. He also tweeted in support of defunding the corps of cadets, which is obviously a beloved A&M institution. He also re-tweeted garbage from a well known group that espouses overt anti-semitism and racial supremacy. Additionally you had the antics of Keshun Brown taking off his shirt and trying to physically intimidate old Ags and threatening to "slit" them, which I assume means stabbing them. Infinite Tucker has continued to embarrass himself at the protests as well. Jhamon Ausbon told the counter protesters not to show up to the games if they disagreed with the athlete's position. Bobby Brown cheered on a vicious, unprovoked hate crime on Twitter, saying the perpetrator didn't go far enough. Numerous players and former players have shown support for these athlete's actions. To top it all off the athletic director who is now pleading for donations fully supported the actions of these athletes at the protest events.

Then you have the fake hate crime which the A&M president immediately condemned the A&M community as racists, and vowed to hold the perpetrators accountable. When it didn't turn out the way he had hoped, again, radio silence. No accountability for the hoaxer and his co-conspirators. Just a mealy mouthed weasel statement from Young. Nothing has also been done about the vandalism of the Sul Ross statue as well.

So to sum it all up, to try to dismiss people's concerns as simply being mad because a football player has a different opinion is burying your head very deep in the sand and ignoring the reality of what has been happening recently. The university and athletic department are not entitled to generous donations from former students and supporters, particularly when the same people wanting the money are busy ****ting all over those they want the money from. I'm not even a former student, just a lifelong fan and supporter that grew up very tied in to the university. I'm now a former season ticket holder and 12th man donor, and won't be coming back unless real accountability happens. You are correct that the situation sucks, and honestly I'm not even sure how the university or AD can even begin to repair the damage at this point. It just goes to show why those in leadership must be guided by integrity and values instead of caving to what they perceive to be the political winds of the day.

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Thank you. Well said.

Everyone has the right to their own beliefs and opinions. I continue to donate because I love my University and want it to achieve excellence in the sports I enjoy watching with my friends and family. I love my University for what it means to me. My actions are not based on the opinions and beliefs of others. The president, the AD, and QB1 are just holding temporary positions at my great University.

The straw that broke the camels back was the athletes (I use that term loosely) who want to erase our history. Every day donors are not happy about how the reseating went down, how awful the concessions are, how the gameday experience is over "hyped" and over commercialized, and how damn expensive it is to have decent seats. Those "athletes" did us a favor, they made it easy to say F it.

When A&M athletics is all about money and you fail to respect those who have gave it, don't be surprised when you piss them off for the last time and it all evaporates like a fart in the wind.

I chose to support Baseball & Basketball exclusively moving forward. Football and track are dead to me. Either we recruit men and women of character or we don't need a program.

Make Buzz AD and Head Basketball coach (so he gets his salary which he earns)

Yeah... No. At this point, the only thing I'll consider donating to is the band.

aggiepaintrain said:

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The straw that broke the camels back was the athletes (I use that term loosely) who want to erase our history. Every day donors are not happy about how the reseating went down, how awful the concessions are, how the gameday experience is over "hyped" and over commercialized, and how damn expensive it is to have decent seats. Those "athletes" did us a favor, they made it easy to say F it.

When A&M athletics is all about money and you fail to respect those who have gave it, don't be surprised when you piss them off for the last time and it all evaporates like a fart in the wind.

I chose to support Baseball & Basketball exclusively moving forward. Football and track are dead to me. Either we recruit men and women of character or we don't need a program.

Make Buzz AD and Head Basketball coach (so he gets his salary which he earns)

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This. A thousand times, this.

Prexys Moon said:

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Hey 12th Man foundation, and pretty boy Ross, here is one of your "student athletes" physically threatening an old Ag. "I will beat your butt, bro!". Mr. Jamal Walton, who, along with that Infinity fool, was driven in a golf cart to the sully protest by an employee of the school. Spare me the BS videos...this is what your athletes REALLY think of the donors who pay their scholarships.


And you still haven't said a WORD about it publicly. Pathetic.




this article about the Sully protest is FULL of gold. You can see what the "student athletes" really think about the school and the donors.


one excerpt

Quote:

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As the junior Rudder and I sat there sharing stories of Texas A&M and his old hometown of Eden in west Texas, track star Infinite Tucker was on his fourth round barging into Old Ags to find an opening to climb atop the statue's base that stood about eight feet high. Somewhere during the agitation, Tucker found his mark: A middle-aged lady guarding the statue.

"She touched my dick!" Tucker cried, attempting to start his own instance of a #MeToo movement.

Eventually, the weary old Ags gave Tucker the opening he wanted and he climbed on top of Sully. A BLM protestor handed him a black flag as Tucker forged the new image for the 12th Man Foundation, the organization charged with soliciting donations and memberships to finance A&M athletic scholarships. The defiant A&M athlete stood atop the statue many Old Ags, and donors, often called "Big Money Ags," had spent their formative years in the Corps polishing with Brasso and memorizing as "campusology" the inscription on the back of its base. Tucker waved the BLM flag leading chants that at many levels denounced all who could beor arescholarship donors below him as racists.

I overheard an Old Ag ask of one of the athletes protesting Sully, "Do you know where your scholarship money comes from?" The answer pretty much summed it up. "I earned my scholarship," the athlete said.


At the beginning of the protest, the anti-Sully crowd was small, outnumbered 125 Old Ags to 25 BLM agitators according to KBTX's Rusty Surette. They stood 50 yards away from the statue chanting, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Sully's statue has got to go!" The protestors were relatively benign until the A&M athletes arrived.


The athletes led the BLM crowd to confront the Old Ags at the statue an hour later, showing that the student athletes are the true leaders of the efforts to shame the alumni.

In addition to Tucker's flicking pennies off the base of Ol' Sully, reaching around the Old Ags and barging his way to the base, while accusing ladies of touching his junk, there was another exchange recorded.
A&M Freshman redshirt sprinter Jamal Walton from Miami, Florida, declared that the Old Ags guarding the statue were "sucking Sully's dick." When challenged by an older gentleman, Walton pressed, "I will beat your butt, bro!"

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https://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2020-07-14/are-aggies-watching-ams-donor-base-burns-ground

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Infinity Tucker and Jamal Walton...bad asses among elderly men and women. Bad karma travels in a circle...just sayin'.

Fortunately you and the original poster amount to what per year in donations? Happy to post my donation receipt of I think $500 per year, clearly I'm also meaningless in that regard. But I'm definitely laughing at how so many of you think donations will decline by 50% or more

The only true action is to eliminate all sports. Send them home. Yes, end it all and maybe we can start over in a few years. This is the only way to kill this attitude of privilege. They do not respect the University or it legacy . Most of them will never graduate with any useful degree and will also never contribute back. Even the pro athletes who have done well have never contributed back in proportion to what a regular non athlete graduate has.

By the way my donations are 60 k per year and will now go to zero, ZERO, ZERO.

AggsTuff said:

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Everyone has the right to their own beliefs and opinions. I continue to donate because I love my University and want it to achieve excellence in the sports I enjoy watching with my friends and family. I love my University for what it means to me. My actions are not based on the opinions and beliefs of others. The president, the AD, and QB1 are just holding temporary positions at my great University.

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Well then watch it flush down the toilet.

Houstonag said:

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The only true action is to eliminate all sports. Send them home. Yes, end it all and maybe we can start over in a few years. This is the only way to kill this attitude of privilege. They do not respect the University or it legacy . Most of them will never graduate with any useful degree and will also never contribute back. Even the pro athletes who have done well have never contributed back in proportion to what a regular non athlete graduate has.

By the way my donations are 60 k per year and will now go to zero, ZERO, ZERO.

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You want to give ourselves the death penalty... because a group of students think differently than you, with two or three behaving badly. you should check your language: "most of them" and "they". Talk about painting with broad strokes.

if things really do go downhill for the AD, we'll all know who abandoned who because they pitched a fit. I guess
I thought the same traits that help a person become successful would be on display here. Thick skin, strong character... but I guess that's my naivety projecting idealistic traits onto the actual BMAs...

sharpdressedman said:

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Tucker and Jamal Walton...bad asses among elderly men and women. Bad karma travels in a circle...just sayin'.

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What they did is terrible, provoked or not provoked. It's also bad bull to blame every athlete for it.

Spherical, I agree that the majority of our student athletes appreciate their scholarships and disagree with the actions and words of the few. I do not want to punish them, throw out the baby with the bath water so to speak. I do not however understand why some do not publicly speak up.

No dude - "silence is violence," or so I'm taught in this new woke world. By the administration not doing anything about this nonsense, they support it. The fact that these 2 guys and the racist note dude haven't been expelled or at least had their scholarships pulled says everything. (not the note dude - he's just trash and should be expelled)

A&M will do nothing to threats of violence and even staged hate crimes which did real harm to the university.

Regarding Sully, they put together some nonsense commission and Kellen Mond is on it. This dude believes 1 guy from 1800 gets to define Sully with 1 sentence and I'm supposed to believe anything of value will come out of it?

Andrew Schulz gets it

Look, I believe that most of us tired-of-it donors will be on board if (1) sincere apologies are made, (2) protests and bad behavior by Tucker and a few others cease, (3) pandering stops and (4) Sully stays. I'm ok with covering the inscription with a plaque that only recognizes LSR's service as gov of Texas and pres of AMC. (Grind off the inscription before covering it if that makes some more acceptance of the change.) Do these things and I'm back on board.

We do not know in fact that the admin and coaches are doing nothing. Sully is still there and I do not think we are having violent protests or riots on our campus. Righteous indignation generally accomplishes little.

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Spherical, I agree that the majority of our student athletes appreciate their scholarships and disagree with the actions and words of the few. I do not want to punish them, throw out the baby with the bath water so to speak. I do not however understand why some do not publicly speak up.

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i'm not sure what could be said. feels like a no win situation to me. i think id prefer it be handled internally and when the first round of press conferences happen, the coaches of the athletes that behaved badly can address it.

ok the bad behavior is one thing but if the AD tries to tell players they can't protest, you're asking them to infringe on many of their basic rights... i'm assuming you don't really want your money to be used to infringe on someone's rights?

Furious said:

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No dude - "silence is violence," or so I'm taught in this new woke world. By the administration not doing anything about this nonsense, they support it. The fact that these 2 guys and the racist note dude haven't been expelled or at least had their scholarships pulled says everything. (not the note dude - he's just trash and should be expelled)

A&M will do nothing to threats of violence and even staged hate crimes which did real harm to the university.

Regarding Sully, they put together some nonsense commission and Kellen Mond is on it. This dude believes 1 guy from 1800 gets to define Sully with 1 sentence and I'm supposed to believe anything of value will come out of it?

Andrew Schulz gets it

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They have not put the commission for Sully together yet, Mond is on a different commission just regarding general race issues basically.

aggiepaintrain said:

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The straw that broke the camels back was the athletes (I use that term loosely) who want to erase our history. Every day donors are not happy about how the reseating went down, how awful the concessions are, how the gameday experience is over "hyped" and over commercialized, and how damn expensive it is to have decent seats. Those "athletes" did us a favor, they made it easy to say F it.

When A&M athletics is all about money and you fail to respect those who have gave it, don't be surprised when you piss them off for the last time and it all evaporates like a fart in the wind.

I chose to support Baseball & Basketball exclusively moving forward. Football and track are dead to me. Either we recruit men and women of character or we don't need a program.

Make Buzz AD and Head Basketball coach (so he gets his salary which he earns)

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I think the straw that broke the camel's back is a great point here. For years, the TMF has not cared about long-term donors dropping tickets because there were plenty of people that were going to fill in the empty spots. The TMF treated small-mid level donors as disposable without thinking about long-term impacts. Even before this instance, we have seen deals for football tickets that they previously only used in basketball.

The TMF has played the short game for years and now the short game is biting them back. Just trotting out our loyalty isn't enough anymore to have us give especially when the AD is throwing out things that are divisive.

Spherical, I agree that publicly speaking out by our student athletes and admin is difficult at best. The minimal supportive comments by other student athletes regarding the bad actors is in itself encouraging to me.

spherical said:

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ok the bad behavior is one thing but if the AD tries to tell players they can't protest, you're asking them to infringe on many of their basic rights... i'm assuming you don't really want your money to be used to infringe on someone's rights?

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You seem overly concerned for and ready to defend these few player's "rights to call the all Sully supporters, donors, and Corps members racists". That is painting with a broad brush.
Although I definitely do not oppose protesting , Protesting is not always going to produce the desired response (loss of donor monies). But hey- its only a few that are inflicting harm on our University so its ok, especially if they are good athletes! Wrong

I wouldn't say that proud Aggies who have the guts to stand up for their University and it's history are thin skinned. Being disrespected by student athletes and then supported by tweets from the AD and silence from the coaching staff and University admin warrants the monetary loss that is deserved and there is no shame in intelligent Aggies redirecting their philanthropic generosity.

T264 said:

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spherical said:

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ok the bad behavior is one thing but if the AD tries to tell players they can't protest, you're asking them to infringe on many of their basic rights... i'm assuming you don't really want your money to be used to infringe on someone's rights?

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You seem overly concerned for and ready to defend these few player's "rights to call the all Sully supporters, donors, and Corps members racists". That is painting with a broad brush.
Although I definitely do not oppose protesting , Protesting is not always going to produce the desired response (loss of donor monies). But hey- its only a few that are inflicting harm on our University so its ok, especially if they are good athletes! Wrong

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i'm not sure what you mean by overly concerned, but i didn't really follow the rest of your post either.

listen, anyone can do anything they want with their money. i was just surprised to see someone say that "protests must be disallowed" in order for them to donate so i was curious if they really meant they wanted the AD stop players from exercise their rights.

and just for the record: the "few" have zero power to hurt the university off the field. as many have pointed out, the folks with all the power are the doners so... who can cause the harm?

KatyAg88 said:

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I wouldn't say that proud Aggies who have the guts to stand up for their University and it's history are thin skinned. Being disrespected by student athletes and then supported by tweets from the AD and silence from the coaching staff and University admin warrants the monetary loss that is deserved and there is no shame in intelligent Aggies redirecting their philanthropic generosity.

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i would agree with everything, and in general agree that there are more deserving recipents of charitiable funds than a universty. i only say thin skinned if the reason is because "i feel disrespected".

i asked elsewhere but i don't think anyone saw it to respond.... if a particular doner is cancelling their donation over this: what was their original reason for giving, and has recent events really impacted that reason?