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So what do you suggest? Keep Sumlin one more year as a lame duck, watch him get obliterated with our upcoming schedule, and use THAT to recruit against Herman at sip next Fall?

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At this point your only choice is to hope he nails the OC hire and turns it around or you hire another HC after a full season to evaluate and nail that hire.

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I thought you said you would bet your child that Sumlin is here in 2017 after going 7-5 or 8-4??? In other words, we wouldn't get rid of him til 18 at the earliest? When did you or your source change this?

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For a professional AD of long tenure, that statement is very confusing. Part of the problem, I guess.

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He went against Sumlin when Sumlin was still the golden boy. He has been gelded ever since.

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I changed my mind when Sumlin began getting tarred and feathered on a National basis. My friends outside the program think Sumlin is gone next Fall - he will not recover from this. If Mazzone is the hire I agree with them. We are setting him up to fail so we can fire him next Fall.

Better hope we can pull out a good hire next Fall, because Herman will be at sips for certain. And Sumlin is screwed - he did it to himself

That opinion will change if Sumlin gets a better OC than Mazzone. But I doubt it

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Hyman out today would mean Sumlin is gone soon. Either this year or next. No idea what to do at this point because this should have all happened a month ago. Maybe Sumlin should be his own damned OC since he's supposed to be an offensive genius.

In danger of falling to a very distant fifth or more in the state of Texas, despite SEC status

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Hyman has very little to do with football. His fate is independent of Sumlin.

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I changed my mind when Sumlin began getting tarred and feathered on a National basis. My friends outside the program think Sumlin is gone next Fall - he will not recover from this. If Mazzone is the hire I agree with them. We are setting him up to fail so we can fire him next Fall.

Better hope we can pull out a good hire next Fall, because Herman will be at sips for certain. And Sumlin is screwed - he did it to himself

That opinion will change if Sumlin gets a better OC than Mazzone. But I doubt it

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What if Mazzone improves our offenses as much as he did the ones in his past?

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I changed my mind when Sumlin began getting tarred and feathered on a National basis. My friends outside the program think Sumlin is gone next Fall - he will not recover from this. If Mazzone is the hire I agree with them. We are setting him up to fail so we can fire him next Fall.

Better hope we can pull out a good hire next Fall, because Herman will be at sips for certain. And Sumlin is screwed - he did it to himself

That opinion will change if Sumlin gets a better OC than Mazzone. But I doubt it

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What if Mazzone improves our offenses as much as he did the ones in his past?

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Hyman was given job, understanding that he was not making football decisions at A&M.

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He is talking to me. I was told months ago that Sumlin was safe and just deal with it. My information pissed off a certain group of Premium posters who wanted him gone. That was back before Sumlin became a black eye on the National scene. Unfortunately I have resigned myself to the fact he will be canned next Fall instead. If Mazzone is the hire we know this.

From what I can gather Sumlin is a dead man walking, and he will not be given the resources to deal with the situation. Mazzone is a truly crap hire

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So what do you suggest? Keep Sumlin one more year as a lame duck, watch him get obliterated with our upcoming schedule, and use THAT to recruit against Herman at sip next Fall?

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At this point your only choice is to hope he nails the OC hire and turns it around or you hire another HC after a full season to evaluate and nail that hire.

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I thought you said you would bet your child that Sumlin is here in 2017 after going 7-5 or 8-4??? In other words, we wouldn't get rid of him til 18 at the earliest? When did you or your source change this?

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I changed my mind when Sumlin began getting tarred and feathered on a National basis. My friends outside the program think Sumlin is gone next Fall - he will not recover from this. If Mazzone is the hire I agree with them. We are setting him up to fail so we can fire him next Fall.

Better hope we can pull out a good hire next Fall, because Herman will be at sips for certain. And Sumlin is screwed - he did it to himself

That opinion will change if Sumlin gets a better OC than Mazzone. But I doubt it

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I changed my mind when Sumlin began getting tarred and feathered on a National basis. My friends outside the program think Sumlin is gone next Fall - he will not recover from this. If Mazzone is the hire I agree with them. We are setting him up to fail so we can fire him next Fall.

Better hope we can pull out a good hire next Fall, because Herman will be at sips for certain. And Sumlin is screwed - he did it to himself

That opinion will change if Sumlin gets a better OC than Mazzone. But I doubt it

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What if Mazzone improves our offenses as much as he did the ones in his past?

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A fence post would improve our offense from the last two years so that's probably not the best metric to use.

I'm not saying he won't. I think he's an OK OC but he's done most of his good work in the PAC. I would be interested to see how he faired against the PAC teams with decent defenses.

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I don't care if they caught Sumlin snorting coke off two hookers' asses while on the phone begging an NFL for a job, you don't fire him in January without a homerun hire and settle on a patchwork retread. Do that and you push the program back 4 years instead of 1.

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So what do you suggest? Keep Sumlin one more year as a lame duck, watch him get obliterated with our upcoming schedule, and use THAT to recruit against Herman at sip next Fall?

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At this point your only choice is to hope he nails the OC hire and turns it around or you hire another HC after a full season to evaluate and nail that hire.

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I thought you said you would bet your child that Sumlin is here in 2017 after going 7-5 or 8-4??? In other words, we wouldn't get rid of him til 18 at the earliest? When did you or your source change this?

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Where did I change this?

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So if we go 7-5 or 8-4 next year with some ugly blowouts in the process, you would bet your child that we would hang onto Sumlin? I mean, that pretty much discredits anything you ever say right there. Seriously no offense intended, but that is INSANE.

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I care. That becomes a student athlete safety issue. You don't want that.

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I care. That becomes a student athlete safety issue. You don't want that.

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Duh. That makes a lot of sense given where our prez comes from. We need a guy who can shmooze the big donors but get things done.

hyman's biggest problem was going against a very popular (at the time) at the time football coach. It screwed him up from the beginning.

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I changed my mind when Sumlin began getting tarred and feathered on a National basis. My friends outside the program think Sumlin is gone next Fall - he will not recover from this. If Mazzone is the hire I agree with them. We are setting him up to fail so we can fire him next Fall.

Better hope we can pull out a good hire next Fall, because Herman will be at sips for certain. And Sumlin is screwed - he did it to himself

That opinion will change if Sumlin gets a better OC than Mazzone. But I doubt it

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When was Mazzone in the SEC last? How'd that work out?

Ole Miss ran him out in 2005 after one year of this:

Ole Miss ranked 111th in Division I-A with 281.7 total yards per game, averaged an SEC-worst 13.5 points and 73 yards rushing, and ran for a combined 48 yards in ending a 3-8 season with consecutive losses to Arkansas, LSU and Mississippi State. The Rebels rushed for 10, 7 and 31 yards in their final three games.

http://www.statefansnation.com/2005/11/noredzone-fired-after-one-year/

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Duh. That makes a lot of sense given where our prez comes from. We need a guy who can shmooze the big donors but get things done.

hyman's biggest problem was going against a very popular (at the time) at the time football coach. It screwed him up from the beginning.

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On what issue did Hyman go against Sumlin? I'm not disagreeing, I just cannot remember.

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There was a rumor that Sumlin was told to replace Spav but he didnt. I dont know if that is what he is referring to but that is my guess.

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On what issue did Hyman go against Sumlin? I'm not disagreeing, I just cannot remember.

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Duh. That makes a lot of sense given where our prez comes from. We need a guy who can shmooze the big donors but get things done.

hyman's biggest problem was going against a very popular (at the time) at the time football coach. It screwed him up from the beginning.

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On what issue did Hyman go against Sumlin? I'm not disagreeing, I just cannot remember.

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There was a rumor that Sumlin was told to replace Spav but he didnt. I dont know if that is what he is referring to but that is my guess.

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