told you so

Sorry for the length, but I can just see this being sung, with Texas A&M as "the dragon".

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Every Little Piece
From "Pete's Dragon"
Composed by Al Kasha and Joel Hirschhorn

Dragon whiskers, dragon toes, a dragon tooth and a dragon nose

Every little piece
Every little piece
We could make a million by slicing him, dicing him

Hoagy, we could sell every little shell
There's enough of him to go around
Money, money, money by the pound

Every little piece
Every little piece
I can take a scissor and clip him up, rip him up
Every little part is a work of art
Think of what a dragon heart would bring
Wrapped up in a ribbon and a string

Dragon liver can cure a cold
Dragon powder grows hair
With dragon blood you'll never grow old
Every item is covered with gold
Every item is covered with gold

Every little piece
Every little piece
Dragon, you're my wagon to destiny; you're the key
Every little shred moving me ahead
Every dream of mine will be fulfilled
What a dragon business we can build

Dragon cartilage keeps you thin
Dragon fat is for burns
A dragon tear will clear up your skin

Watch the profits come rolling in
Watch the profits come rolling in

Every little piece, every little crease
All lead me to the dragon
I'll buy him up and tie him up
Drag him from the cave
Show him that I'm brave

I'll bind him up, grind him up
Lop him up, chop him up
Can't you hear that jingle, jangle sound?
It's money, money, money by the pound

Money, money, money!
Crowns
Sous
We'll have banks full of francs
Quids
Bucks
In truckloads
Cash
Stocks
Bonds
Bigger shares
Millionaires
Marks
Yens
In tens and twenties
Cash

Dragon cartilage keeps you thin
Dragon fat is for burns
A dragon tear will clear up your skin
Watch the profits come rolling in
Watch the profits come rolling in

Every little piece, every little crease
Lead us to the dragon
We'll buy him up, tie him up
Drag him from the cave
Show him that we're brave
We'll bind him up, grind him up
Lop him up, chop him up
Can't you hear that jingle, jangle sound?

It's money, money, money by the pound

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I don't understand how this is profitable. Where's the money coming from? Tuition is only a part of the cost of a student attending A&M. Where's the rest coming from for the additional 14,000 engineering students?

I was reading about UC budget and the state budget that California recently passed. The UC system refuses to increase enrollment unless the state pledges and passes the funds to pay for the increased enrollment. How does the A&M system just announce they're enrolling 14,000 more students? Did I miss when the legislature passed funding for this?

Yeah since Jr college tuition is much lower.

I would guess that TAMU is charging those JC's a pretty penny, while not actually having to provide a campus or services for them.

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More dual enrollment at community colleges and A&M. They're literally turning the engineering school into a jr college.

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/

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The article starts by saying that we don't have near enough kids with college diplomas of any kind!!

Wow! Here I thought too many kids were going to college. And that a college degree today was like a high school diploma when I graduated.

Some body needs to get their stories straight.

Also I thought posters were advocating we shift more of the headcount off campus.

"Dual enrollment" is not "shifting the head count off campus." Enrolling kids in system institutions is.

And I disagree that we "don't have enough college graduates" Every other source you see talks about college graduates not getting jobs. However, is you shift a traditional undergraduate education towards job specific training then the argument works. However training and education are not the same thing.

It seems like they are straddling the line between an engineering education and vocational training, especially since they are referring to it as the Texas A&M-Chevron Academy. I wish they would focus on the vocational part instead of watering down the engineering degree.

I was also talking to a coworker today and he happened to mention that he was hired out of a school that this company wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole anymore because his school's engineering program has notably declined. I hope A&M isn't spoken of the same way in 15 years.

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More dual enrollment at community colleges and A&M. They're literally turning the engineering school into a jr college.

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/

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I don't get how this works. They piloted this with Blinn starting in 2013. Based on that website, students took ENGR classes in College Station by commuting here from either Bryan or Brenham. I could almost see commuting from Houston. But from Dallas, San Antonio, and Brownsville? Or are they referring to TAMUK and other campuses as being the "College of Engineering"?

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More dual enrollment at community colleges and A&M. They're literally turning the engineering school into a jr college.

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/

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The article starts by saying that we don't have near enough kids with college diplomas of any kind!!

Wow! Here I thought too many kids were going to college. And that a college degree today was like a high school diploma when I graduated.

Some body needs to get their stories straight.

Also I thought posters were advocating we shift more of the headcount off campus.

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The article was written by Dean Banks, the architect of 25 by 25. No conflict there.

They are turning the college of engineering into a junior senior program. The college administration is pushing hybrid courses, with lessons one day online, and the other day in class so faculty can teach twice as many students in the same classroom space. They are spending much of the differential tuition on the deans office and the freshman engineering programs, probably including the administration of the programs at theses other institutions. i understand the admin is pushing having 24/7 labs in the new building with undersized lab space, so that the students may have to come to campus at 3 am to do their labs.

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I don't get how this works. They piloted this with Blinn starting in 2013. Based on that website, students took ENGR classes in College Station by commuting here from either Bryan or Brenham. I could almost see commuting from Houston. But from Dallas, San Antonio, and Brownsville? Or are they referring to TAMUK and other campuses as being the "College of Engineering"?

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From the article it sounds like students will have the option of taking all their classes at a juco. So they'll be A&M students but they'll be attending another school entirely?

I guess I'm not sure what the point of it is. If they want more transfer students to get to the 25K enrollment, why not just admit them after they've completed 2 years of juco if they've met established requirements?

I'm also curious what this will do to the A&M acceptance rate. Will it go even higher than 70%? How will that look to prospective students that are considering high quality, competitive universities? I can't imagine a publicized acceptance rate of 80%+ will bode well for A&M's reputation.

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Engineering faculty from Texas A&M will teach engineering classes at the community college campus, enabling students to save money and stay close to home for their first two years working toward a Texas A&M engineering degree.

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http://events.khou.com/Texas_A_M_Chevron_Engineering_Academy_at_HCC_Spring_Branch_Formation/320050583.html

A&M is confusing its mission with a community college. When was it decided that A&M would be the school for students that can't afford to go to a university? Couldn't one of the system schools or UH address that and let College Station be a flagship?

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Engineering faculty from Texas A&M will teach engineering classes at the community college campus, enabling students to save money and stay close to home for their first two years working toward a Texas A&M engineering degree.

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http://events.khou.com/Texas_A_M_Chevron_Engineering_Academy_at_HCC_Spring_Branch_Formation/320050583.html

A&M is confusing its mission with a community college. When was it decided that A&M would be the school for students that can't afford to go to a university? Couldn't one of the system schools or UH address that and let College Station be a flagship?

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Faculty recruiting and retention in engineering should be interesting to watch...

Or, perhaps the definition of "faculty from Texas A&M" is going to be broader than what most would think when they hear the phrase, i.e. Engineering Extension.

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More dual enrollment at community colleges and A&M. They're literally turning the engineering school into a jr college.

http://tribtalk.org/2015/06/25/a-new-pathway-for-engineering-students-in-texas/

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Oy, that's the one did it for me heart. The community colleges pay a nice price, A&M doesn't have to waste space or expensive resources, and the students show up at the end to collect the diploma with the A&M name. All for the $$$$.

But seriously, I admire the administration who've decided to profit off of this. Truly financially savvy individuals. The university may not benefit in the long run, but if they line their pockets with gold now what does it matter to them?

**** it. Just **** it. All that vision pissed away in a few short years.

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Serious question, does anyone know if John Sharp is planning on running for elected office again?

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What does it matter? If he has an R after his name, he is a shoe in.

For the record, he has always run with a D behind his name.

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For the record, he has always run with a D behind his name.

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Maybe it should be a T for Tool.

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For the record, he has always run with a D behind his name.

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Maybe it should be a T for Tool.

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Tool.

I'm laughing.

Same difference.

Novices bouncing between half baked theories on higher education and pedantic remarks about university admin.

This screed jumped the shark a month ago...now you've turned it into your own personal jack-off thread. What's next kiddos?

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Novices bouncing between half baked theories on higher education and pedantic remarks about university admin.

This screed jumped the shark a month ago...now you've turned it into your own personal jack-off thread. What's next kiddos?

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The number was the issue that, with the estimates, got proven correct. You've changed your tone I see.
If you've been to any of the career fairs, you'd realize there are about 20+ students who visit each booth in search of an internship. They have maybe one or two for smaller companies and slightly larger for bigger companies (My current one has about 4 interns from A&M.)

If you weren't so daft, you'd quickly realize there are far more students than positions. Do you honestly believe increasing that number is going to increase the number employed? No, it'll just decrease the pay. After all, the stem crisis is a myth.

"But there's always jobs for good engineers" you tell yourself. Certainly you are correct, but if more and more people are in the classes there's less individual attention. The quality of the engineers will go down.

Like I said, the admin dodged several of the questions the students asked them when they came to discuss the program with us. Another person here corroborated that.

Now listen kiddo, before you get mad at me for bashing Sharp. He's a little more than aware.

But please, go ahead and mention how numbers are half baked. I bet those are biased towards Perry & Sharp too!

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Novices bouncing between half baked theories on higher education and pedantic remarks about university admin.

This screed jumped the shark a month ago...now you've turned it into your own personal jack-off thread. What's next kiddos?

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I'm in higher education / on faculty at another institution , ace. I am also iinvolved in admissions.

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Politically motivated gubmit employees with an axe to grind bouncing between half baked theories on higher education and pedantic remarks about university admin.

This screed jumped the shark a month ago...now you've turned it into your own personal jack-off thread. What's next kiddos?

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Ver 2.0 for Vanzandt92. Thx for outing yourself

Right....

"Outing" himself as being in a position to hold an informed opinion. Other than his (IMO) well reasoned words, I've no clue as to his motivations, and neither do you.

Sid, please "out" yourself. What are YOUR bases for your opinions? What is your motivation for those opinions?

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Politically motivated gubmit employees with an axe to grind bouncing between half baked theories on higher education and pedantic remarks about university admin.

This screed jumped the shark a month ago...now you've turned it into your own personal jack-off thread. What's next kiddos?

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Ver 2.0 for Vanzandt92. Thx for outing yourself

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If he's in a place to give a well informed opinion, then it's purely political.
If he's not, then the opinions not well formed.

Were you the child who frequented the dunce cap?

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Politically motivated gubmit employees with an axe to grind bouncing between half baked theories on higher education and pedantic remarks about university admin.

This screed jumped the shark a month ago...now you've turned it into your own personal jack-off thread. What's next kiddos?

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Ver 2.0 for Vanzandt92. Thx for outing yourself

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I'm not a Texan any longer and have no intention of being on Texas A and M faculty, but I will defend and support them and that institution, as well as what I perceive it should stand for.

On a path to bring among the nation's top tier...









of vocational schools.
Aim high?

Once again UCLA was the most difficult of the UC campuses for Californians to gain entrance to. The Westwood campus accepted just 16.2% of those in-state applicants, down from 16.7% last year. Berkeley was next toughest, with 19.1%, down from 19.7%. UC San Diego accepted 30.2% of its California applicants; Davis, 32.8%; Irvine, 33.4%; Santa Barbara, 33.5%; Santa Cruz; 46.3%; Riverside, 56.7%; and Merced, 66.1%.

http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-ln-uc-admit-20150702-story.html

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Are we turning away high quality kids?

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Going back to something that Jeff asked on page 1:

It's not so much that we are turning away high quality kids, but we are beginning to lose the race for the best and the brightest because our resources are getting stretched so thin that we cannot compete with our competition to keep them.

We don't have enough in the way of scholarship dollars and overall support services to fend off what the other schools can offer.
Thus when it comes time for those high quality kids to make that final decision and pull the trigger,
we pale in comparison with what they can get elsewhere.

Rausr, you are accurate. We visited the University of Missouri last week and I was shocked at how much they had to offer, the personal touch in their campus tour and the much more attainable admission requirements. The comparison is disappointing to say the least.

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much more attainable admission requirements

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I thought we decide our requirements were too lax?