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fossil_ag
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The Animal Pavilion is a building on campus that all recent graduates will find familiar ... although most are still puzzled about how the structure housing Student Registration and Student Activities got its name.

When the Animal Pavilion was constructed in 1917 it truly was an animal pavilion. In those early days of limited transportation, it was more practical to transport livestock for teaching purposes to a central location than to shuttle a gaggle of animal husbandry students. So from those days for the next 60 years student workers in the various livestock centers were the taxi crews that brought cattle, hogs, horses and sheep to the Animal Pavilion for courses involving livestock.

This is an early picture of the Pavilion. (The Animal Industries Building in the background was built in 1932.)



The Animal Husbandry department owned the Animal Pavilion until about 1977 when the Kleberg Center and the Dick Freeman Arena were constructed west of the tracks. It was used for many activities through that period as long as livestock were involved in some manner. The Pavilion was not an open barn ... it had six rows of concrete bench seating that encircled the dirt floor arena ... and could accommodate a crowd of about 1000-1200.

Livestock judging was a typical activity.



For years State 4H and FFA Livestock Judging Contest were held in the Pavilion. That was quite a sight ... the floor sectioned off for various animal groupings to be judged, along with a thousand or so youngsters milling around poking and prodding and judging the quality of the various animals.

For many years A&M students participated in a livestock show of their own in the Pavilion. It was called the Little Southwestern and it was sponsored by the Saddle and Sirloin Club and the AH Department. Students were allowed to go out to the College herds and select an animal they wished to prepare and show. They were given a month or so to spruce up and train their selection for the show ring and then compete in the big event. It was quite an event that attracted a number of outside visitors curious to see large numbers of A&M livestock in show condition. And the ex-4H and FFAers reveled at having another chance to demonstrate their skill in a showring.

Another activity that grew up in the Animal Pavilion was the All-Aggie Rodeo. The first rodeo was held in the Pavilion in 1919. That must have been a hoot ... goat roping, greased pig chases, sack races between faculty and Ag seniors. But as time went on and rodeos were becoming more organized in the outside world of Texas, the A&M rodeos in the 1920s adapted to the events we recognize today ... bull riding, bronc riding and calf roping.

Originally sponsored by the Saddle and Sirloin Club, the Rodeo continued to grow through the 40s and 50s. In 1949 the Rodeo Club built its own arena to have more time for their sport than working around the schedule of the Pavilion. And not satisfied with just in-house competition, the club president that year, Charlie Rankin ('50), teamed up with fellows at Sul Ross to invent a new college rodeo organization ... the National Intercollegiate Rodeo Association (NIRA) with Charlie Rankin as its first president. Not content with just simply organizing, the fledgling group even had its first College National Finals Rodeo at the Cow Palace in San Francisco in April 1949. Today, that activity that had its origin in the old Animal Pavilion has 200 collegiate teams nationwide with more than 2,000 competing members.

Tracing the history of the old buildings and departments and individuals has always intrigued me. There is never a single story to tell that has a beginning and end ... but a collection of events and personalities and activities that weave in and out into an endless fabric.

I have a lot of memories of that old Pavilion and the great times and people that crossed that dirt floor.





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Good stuff as always, fossil. And it's a topic that I know a little something about, too.

The State 4-H and FFA Livestock Judging contests are still held in College Station. We had the FFA one at Pearce Pavilion, I assume that's where 4-H does theirs.

The Little Southwestern is still in existence, and is one of the biggest events of the year for Saddle & Sirloin. It is also held at Pearce, and takes place on the Saturday of Parents' Weekend in April. And as many former champion exhibitors as there that attend Texas A&M, it gets quite competitive.

The All-Aggie Rodeo is still hosted by the A&M Rodeo Team each September, at Freeman Arena. The Texas A&M College Rodeo (sanctioned as part of the NIRA schedule) is held in April, at the Burleson County Fairgrounds in Caldwell. It should be noted that a good friend of mine who is a member of the Texas A&M Rodeo Team just finished his one-year term as National President. The rodeo coach thought, I believe, that he was the first national president from Texas A&M since Charlie Rankin's term as the first president.

One question for you, fossil: do you know when they changed the name of the department from "Animal Husbandry" to "Animal Science"?

I love looking at the old buildings on the campus and seeing their original names chiseled in stone up at the roofline. The Pavilion still says "Animal Husbandry" on it (with the "u" in the shape of a "v" ), and the "History Building" of today says "Agriculture" (actually, "Agricvltvre" ).

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I cannot answer the question about the name change from Animal Husbandry to Animal Science. I am sure it was AH when I left in 1956 and was AS when I returned in 1976.

That was a great department up through my years in the early 1950s. The faculty was actively involved in supporting the Saddle and Sirloin Club ... and the Saddle and Sirloin Club with a membership of more than 100 was actively involved in several major programs that rounded out the department's offerings, that included providing workers for the State 4H and FFA Judging contests.

S&S members who had completed O.D. Butler's Meat Science course produced and cured hams for sale and made a bundle of money. Donations rolled in from former club members. Club Dues and revenue from the early day All-Aggie Rodeo added to the kitty. I published a yearbook for the Club two years and the Club gained a lot of revenue from advertising. In all, the club financed travel of all Livestock Judging Teams to national competitions and supported the A&M Rodeo team with its travels. The Little Southwestern stock show was a major event ... on Mother's Day weekend which later became Parent's Day weekend. That student organization turned out some fairly seasoned businessmen by graduation time.

One footnote about the A&M Rodeo Club. Even though Aggies were instrumental in founding the National Intercollegiate Rodeo Association almost 60 years ago TAMU has never recognized Rodeo as a collegiate sport (even though many other universities do.) So in all that time the A&M Rodeo Club has been self supporting of their team travels and other expenses. I do not know if the Saddle and Sirloin Club has enough revenue sources today to help the Rodeo Team ... or even if they need help. The S&S Club and the Rodeo Club had intertwined membership in the early '50s ... and were mutually supportive. A great group of guys.
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The School of Agriculture at A&M College has an interesting story. By 1955 the School had only had two Deans in its history.

The first Dean of Agriculture, formally entitled in 1911, was Edwin Jackson Kyle ('99).

You probably recall that name. During his 1898-1899 school year, E.J. Kyle was the ranking officer in the Corps of Cadets and Class Valedictorian. In 1899 as the ranking cadet he served as Commandant for a three month period during a period the post was vacant.

Immediately after graduation in 1899, Kyle joined the faculty. While head of the Agriculture staff in 1904 he fenced off a portion of a cow pasture and that was the birthplace of Kyle Field. In 1905 he purchased from his own money lumber for the first bleachers for the field and again in 1907 signed a personal note to purchase lumber for a covered grandstand.

In 1911 E.J. Kyle was named Dean of the School of Agriculture. He served in that capacity until 1944. In the early 1950s Dean Kyle would return to the Agriculture Building to visit with students in the lounge area. He made his way through all the departments and always drew a crowd of students.

In 1944 Dean Kyle was succeeded by Dean Charles N. Shepardson. Dean Shep served until about 1955 when he was succeeded by Dean Adams. Dean Shepardson was a genial fellow and performed admirably in developing the Agriculture facilities across the tracks as the pioneer landlord of the West Campus. Under his watch the cow pasture on the northeast side of the campus was converted to the Polo Field and the horse pasture on the southeast corner became a golf course. That was fine with Dean Shep as he received in exchange a new Beef Cattle Center, a new Swine Center, new Horse Stables and the Sheep Center. By the early 50s Dean Shep had first class facilities for his livestock herds.

An interesting note about Dean Shepardson's admnistration is that his secretary was Mrs. Ferguson. Dean Shep delegated to her the responsibility to review Ag student grades in the various courses. It was always a shock to find a note on the dormitory room door to report to the Dean's office. In most cases the note was from Mrs. Ferguson who would proceed to administer a stern "talking to" if the grade report for an individual was short of her expectations. In her mind, an A student who dropped to a B or C on a test was just as due the talk as one who had a failing grade. We took it in stride but sure did not look forward to another of those notes.

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Fossil, you'll be glad to know that S&S is still thriving, with several hundred members. I wasn't ever a member, but I was friends with quite a percentage of them. The ham sale and the yearbook are also still big events. I'm not entirely sure on this, but I do believe that they finance all of the judging team's trips, along with some other donations and benefactors.

I've always been baffled as to why A&M doesn't recognize rodeo as an official sport. We were instrumental in creating college rodeo as a sport, and it doesn't get anything more than "club sport" recognition. There is no connection remaining with S&S that I am aware of, as TAMU Rodeo is its own recognized student organization. The team is coached by Dr. Al Wagner, who is an extension specialist with an appointment through the Horticulture Department.

The kids foot their own bills for traveling, just like any other rodeo cowboys and cowgirls do. The prize money for the college rodeos is pretty decent these days, and almost all of them ride at PRCA events and other rodeos (since the whole professional/amateur thing in rodeo is much more relaxed than NCAA sports). The All-Aggie Rodeo and the TAMU College Rodeo are their fundraisers, which they use for some minor scholarships for the team members. The men's rodeo team hasn't really had an overwhelming amount of success in recent years, mainly due to the academic requirements of Texas A&M. It would be nice if they could give out some larger scholarships to attract a lot more top-notch young cowboys, but since most of those guys ride heavily on the PRCA as well as the NIRA, they prefer to go to a JUCO and then on to a school like McNeese State, Tarleton, Sul Ross, Sam Houston, or West Texas A&M, where they can miss a lot of class and not really be bothered by a stringent courseload. The girls, on the other hand, won the College National Finals a couple of years back, and have done quite well. The main difference is that since there is only one PRCA event for girls, most collegiate cowgirls are not looking to make a professional career out of it like the cowboys are, and many of the really talented ones are also interested in getting a good education, so A&M is able to attract a lot more of them.
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Oooops, thanks for catching that. Edit on the way.
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Do you remember when A&M still had the registered quarter horse breeding program.
Dad had two stud horses bred at A&M Dexter's Louis out of Bubble Dexter and Starlette Mackay and Zanto Joe Dexter out of Zantanon H and TAMC Prissy Me. We had lots of Aggie colts.
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TERRY L

To the best of my knowledge the TAMU quarterhorse program is still going strong. I haven't had much contact with it for years.

I do remember Bubble Dexter from the '50s. A&M was very proud to have him as one of its stallions. I suppose Starlette Mackay was foaled by TAMU Starlette of the Peter McCue line.

I checked the pedigree of Zantanon H. That was interesting .... both his sire and dam sides go back to Zantanon, Little Joe, Traveler and Sykes Rondo. Zanto Joe Dexter is definitely royal blood in quarterhorse society. His dam, TAMC Prissy Me, was by Bubble Dexter out of Starlette Mackay.

So yes, TERRY, I would say you have every right to brag about the bloodlines of your studs being all Aggie. And it goes back to the A&M herd in the late '40s to early '50s.

I am sure your dad is familiar with the story of Rey Jay who was donated to A&M a few years ago after being injured in cutting horse competition. (He was one of the greatest.) He was a King Ranch bred stallion with double lines back to Old Sorrel. I think Rey Jay was put down 2 or 3 years ago but there are a number of his progeny in the TAMU herd now. But I am sure if your dad was down for one of the recent football games he checked the horse program out very closely.
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Thanks Fossil.
Lots of good info. We've (Dad) have been out of the horse business for some time now.
Zantos Joe Dexter was and is the most beautiful horse I've every seen.
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The West Gate was the main entrance to A&M College until the New Main drive to East Gate and Highway 6 was constructed in 1933. So the scene of the campus at West Gate greeted visitors arriving at the College Station on the Southern Pacific Railroad tracks. It changed several times over the years.

This photograph shows West Gate in the earliest times with an unpaved Main Drive leading to the "Old Main" building. Old Main was constructed in 1875 and destroyed by fire in 1912. (Those earliest building had masonry walls but all internal structure was timber with wood flooring.)



The Academic Building was completed in 1914 and replaced "Old Main" at the end of Main Drive. But more important to the college in 1919-20 than scenery, the entrance was a highly visible place to brag about the success of its athletic and livestock judging teams.



The college had every right to be proud of the 1919 football team. That year it finished 10 games on its schedule unbeaten and unscored on ... and scored 275 points. The 1920 team, also coached by D.X. Bible, lost only one game and had only one TD scored on it (to tu 7-3), but in the process scored 229 points on opponents (including 110 points scored on Daniel Baker.) The basketball teams were as prolific those year. The captain of the 1919-20 basketball team was E.E. McQuillen whom you can learn more about by researching Muster and the Former Students Association.

Sometime before 1933 Main Drive was paved and redesigned as a boulevard. In prominent location was placed the West Gate Memorial ... this monument honored the 55 Aggies who died in World War I.


Other memorials on campus for those 55 are the 55 U.S. flags that are located around the top of Kyle Field on game days ... and through the '50s there were 55 live-oak trees growing around the Drill Field, each with a bronze plaque with the name of one of the heros. The reason for the extraordinary honors for these men was that the entire class of 1917 volunteered for service one month before graduation ... an honored event in A&M history. (Recent construction of sidewalks and other improvements to Simpson Drill Field has resulted in displacement of the original trees and removal of the memorial plaques ... and displacement of the West Gate Memorial.

Albritton Tower. Now towers over Old Main Drive and West Gate.





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I wish we still had a sign like that with our accomplishments in football, basketball, and livestock judging.
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I got a cousin-in-law that owns the hardware store in Munday, can I join the West Texas Board too? He went to TAMU (198?)
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Welcome Birddog 99. We accept kinfolk of kinfolk in West Texas, along with in-laws and out-laws. I suspect somewhere down the line you have a bit of West Texas in your DNA. Half of West Texas residents departed for parts unknown during the Depression days. Most of the remainder left for jobs in Ft Worth and Dallas during WWII and the veterans returning from WWII were chased out by the 7-Year Drought in the '50s. I figure by now most folks in Texas have a West Texan in their pedigree somewhere.
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and the ones that don't, wish they did!
TERRY L
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Hey, they let me in and I grew up in Mississippi.
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I was reading an article recently about diseases and physical conditions that are endemic to certain parts of the country when, lo and behold, I ran across one that was common in our neck of the woods many years ago that I had forgotten about.

Back in the 30s, 40s and 50s when our relatives living on the High Plains came to visit we were puzzled by their mottled and brown-stained teeth. They did not seem to be overly concerned since entire families exhibited the same peculiar trait and they must have assumed it was just a distinguishing feature of their branch of the homo sapiens tree.

Of course, the curiosity of us kids demanded that we delve deeper into this oddity of our cousins to seek some degree of understanding of this phenominum. This discourse quickly revealed that they were equally curious about the appearance of me and my snaggled-toothed brothers and our semi-white teeth. Further questioning from both sides revealed that those High Plains cousins did not know what a dentist might be, while us Low Rolling Plains kids feared dentists more than Lucifer himself.

It was in the 50s that the truth finally came out:

"A condition formerly common among Texans who were raised on the High Plains was mottled enamel of the teeth. Stains were caused by high concentration of fluorides in well water. With extension of city water supplies and reduction of fluorides, this condition has largely disappeared."

So that is the rest of the story, except, to even things up, beginning the 50s the push was on to add flouride to the drinking water of us folks in the Low Plains. Our greatest fear was the the High Plains would now have beautiful white teeth and we would end up with the brown mottled teeth.

Just another page from the West Texas history book.

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Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

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You may be correct Burd but all I can attest to is the fact that High Plains kids had teeth as hard as ceramic with no cavities, mottled brown, but no cavities. And credit was given to the high concentration of floride in their well water (and apparently at much higher concentration than is added to water supplies statewide now.)

As for my personal experience, I had more cavities by age 8 than all three of my kids have experienced in a lifetime.

I will not argue one way or the other on the longterm effects of florine on the human body ... but it was interesting to have been in on the ground floor of a scientific puzzle that later came to effect everyone in the country.

And I haven't seen a set of brown stained teeth on a person in 50 years.
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My statement on fluoride was a joke, a quote from the movie Dr. Strangelove.
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Actually Burd, back in the 50s, many folks were convinced that floridation of drinking water was definitely a Commie plot to poison all of us. The outcry in many communities pushed the issue to state and national political arenas. The argument that eventually won over the doubters was the fact that those High Plains Drifters had survived and thrived with floridation levels in their drinking water much higher that proposed for municipal water supplies.

In the Lower Plains we were semi-content with our Gyp Water that had no medicinal benefit for man or beast, except for "relieving symptoms of irregularity."
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Speaking of brown teeth, I knew a guy back in College Station who has some really brown teeth. He was a young guy, and it was that classic fluoride mottling. Based on his occupation, I'm pretty sure he was from west Texas somewhere.

That or he drank a tanker of coffee and chewed a plug of tobacco everyday.
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I saw some of that growing up...it would usually be in a family because they all drank the same well water....others who were a few miles down the road might not have any problems with discoloration....

it wasn't really a big issue that I remember...just looked like a little stain on the front two teeth
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I agree that the mottled teeth were not a big deal in those days. Dentists in those days were not the same universe as modern dentistry ... in West Texas we could face down a rattlesnake or a raging bull but those early versions of dental drills and extraction pliers struck terror in the hearts of the toughest specimens. Filling a cavity was generally a waste of time because that early day orange Bondo they used shrank and fell out in a short time. Crooked and missing teeth were fairly common in rural areas ... and teeth of a variety of colors from green, yellow and brown to various shades of white were not unusual. Our dental condition in the 40s and 50s was about where England and Ireland are today.
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I'm having withdrawal symptoms
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Just like Forrest Gump, that's his name Forrest Gump, when he gave up running, I was all set to give up posting on this thread ... I am tired. But then I thought of just one more subject from my growing up days that I had not covered that I figure will amaze and astound you of the younger generations.

Lewis Hall's Store in southwest Fisher County is the subject. It was located in the Capitola community, 14 miles each from Sweetwater and Roby. At one time that community had a nice brick two room school, a Co-op Cotton Gin and a Church of Christ (a mission from the Roby Church) and Lewis Hall's Store ... and a lot of families living nearby.

I spent five of my growing up years two miles south of the store in the mid-30s, the height or depth (however you like to say) of the Great Depression. The Depression and the Dust Bowl hit hard in the Capitola community. Lewis Hall had the nearest grocery store.

The last time I saw Lewis Hall's store was in about 1953 and it, and Lewis, were just the same as when I first saw them about 20 years earlier, and probably looked the same when Lewis died in 1963.



The driveway was not paved but covered with a million softdrink bottle caps. There was no screen door (Lewis said it slammed a lot and would tear up anyway), and hens and cats roamed in and out at will. To the right of the front door was house that he "batched" in and to the left of the front were stacks and stacks of cases of motor oil, barbed wire rolls, corrugated sheet iron, and crates of live chickens.

Inside the store was a mountain of cased canned goods. If one wanted individual cans of goods it was necessary to step over mounds of clutter to get to the few shelves. There were two aisles in the store, the one on the north side went almost to the back of the store if one walked sideways and the aisle in the middle just went as far as Lewis's "checkout counter." Cases of merchandise reached to the ceiling. You were free to shop whereever you could get to, and bring it to the front. No prices were marked. You told Lewis what you had, and he kept the prices in his head, and he tallied your bill. Folks would pay then and there or would just ask him to put it on their "ticket." Same with gas outside, folks would fill their own gas and come in and tell Lewis what the charge was ... he never looked outside. Lewis had an old cash register but last time I was there it was covered in clutter ... which in turn covered a lot of other clutter. He had a safe but the door was always open ... Lewis just made change out of his wallet that was about three inches thick ... and out of a tin can that held coins. And when a hen laid an egg inside the store she would cackle and waddle out the door.




Persons unfamiliar with Lewis Hall were sometime put off by the appearance of the store and Lewis's personal appearance. First, he had lost his right arm years before in a cotton gin accident, and since then, getting dressed properly and shaving were difficult chores for him living alone, so those niceties were foregone as much as possible ... from best I could tell Lewis would buy new shirt and pants and wear those until they were unwearable then replace them with a new shirt and pants. Recall too that Capitola like all rural areas did not get electricity until 1948 so niceties like indoor plumbing and lights were not available ... business hours were daylight to dark.

But those descriptions of the person Lewis Hall do not do justice to his character and personal qualities. He was a good and honorable man ... and believed that everyone else was as good and honorable. He did not lock his doors, he did not lock up outside merchandise, he trusted customers pick out what they needed and to tell him what the items were. Lewis explained that leaving things in the open at night was in case some neighbors needed anything they could take it and pay him next day, without the need to wake him at night.

Someone asked him one time how he dealt with taxes. He said he was audited one year and he just told the fellows to lock him up and he would not have to mess with taxes anymore. He never heard from them again.

And he had the customers. Canned goods like other items in the store were considerably cheaper than any store in surrounding towns and case lots were cheaper still. Competing grocers complained that wholesalers were giving Lewis a cut rate ... which may or may not have been true (although they had no reason to.) Town customers buying case lots were common at the little Capitola store ... kinda like an early day Sam's Club.

The picture of Lewis Hall to this point is pretty grim ... kind of a backwoods eccentric, but not really. Lewis really did not have to run that store seven days a week. His parents left him two farms when they died and he already owned one ... and all were leased out. Lewis graduated high school at Capitola and attended Abilene Christian College for two years. From 1916 to 1919 he was manager of the Capitola Coop Gin ... until he got his right arm mangled in the gin saws and had to give that up. In later years he was secretary for the Church of Christ until the church closed, and was secretary for the Capitola School Board until the school closed, both in the 40s.

But Lewis Hall defined himself in the community when he bought the store ... and the way he ran this business during the Depression.

Money was tight in those days and many of his neighbors could not pay bills on a timely basis. Lewis Hall sold them what they needed on credit. He bought their hens or fryers and eggs for cash when they brought them in. He made two or three trips a week into Sweetwater to deliver the hens and eggs to market and to buy merchandise. While there he would do errands or make purchases for folks unable to get to town. Around Christmas he would stock up on apples, oranges and candy ... and that would be Christmas for many Capitola kids.

After Lewis died in 1963 I heard that his survivors in clearing out that jumble of his store came across boxes of yellowed charge tickets ... many dating back 30 years ... that proved how many families Lewis had fed through the Depression ... and he had never to anyone's knowledge challenged a person on an overdue bill or denied an additional charge.

Our farm was on the dirt road that Lewis Hall took when going to/from Sweetwater. Us four feral Capitola kids knew about when to expect him and frequently would greet him beside the road, all four with our right arms inside our shirts and a knot tied in the sleeve. Lewis got a kick out of that and when he had apples or oranges on his truck he would stop and pass out one to each kid. My mother would have a conniption fit each time she caught us pulling that bit of larceny.

The more I have thought of Lewis Hall in the later years the more I consider him as one of the most decent, good and honorable men I ever met.



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powerbiscuit
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outstanding story fossilag....it reminds me of going to the gin with my dad as a kid...the man who ran the gin's name was Tucker, I'm pretty sure (but we always called him the pincher man), and he had a similar accident at the gin...

instead of a hand, he had some type of metal appendage that looked kind of like tongs that he could use to pick up stuff...

my dad was pretty ornery and would take me by there and let the guy scare me with his pinchers...I was probably 5 or so....I'm sure they both got one heck of a kick out of it

Well, he passed on some time during my early teenage years and I forgot about all that until high school graduation when I got a card with a nice note and some money from his wife who I'd never met...

Evidently, he had told her some stories through the years and they had been tickled about something an ornery 5 year old had said or done.

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you might remember earlier in the thread, I was asking fossilag if he ever got the opportunity to see the great Bob Wills in person...

well, for whatever reason, I decide to "google" bob wills in the video section of google and found this tribute to him....no video of his playing but some interesting commentary nonetheless....I hope any who might be interested enjoy it, and I'll snoop around and see if I can find some real footage of the band in action.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1141170539921761402&q=bob+wills&hl=en

you probably never expected to see bob wills like this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGKvobvlnMU

this is one you'll want to see for sure....Merle Haggard, backed up by the Texas Playboys in a tribute to Bob Wills....outstanding....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTJ8gDAvn8&mode=related&search=

san antonio rose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTu1FJMEMaY

this appears to be original footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0rhI62iJxs&mode=related&search=

a live appearance of a song I never heard...3 miles south of cash and arkansas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pNpIqjtnK8

another new one on me...sittin on top of the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sS5jSbV0Vg&mode=related&search=

Ida Red
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_WsiCDsv7M&search=Tex%20Western%20Swing%20Boogie%20Rockabilly%20Country

stay a little longer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcjdGuJhelk&search=Tex%20Western%20Swing%20Boogie%20Rockabilly%20Country

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while looking for bob wills videos, I ran across this short video about lubbock or life in west texas...I thought some might enjoy it....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7813169806268579148&q=bob+wills
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Powerbiscuit .... That is some great stuff!. I am still working my way through the links ... replaying each 3 or 4 times is slowing down my progress.

Those were good times when the bands and their leaders took pride in their personal appearances ... instead of showing up for a performance like today (even on the CMA Awards TV show) looking like a gaggle of skunks and drunks collected at the local shelter.

Over the years West Texas turned out some great musicians ... and Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys (and before that the Light Crust Doughboys) were the inspiration.

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...gaggle of skunks and drunks...

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I'm glad you liked it FossilAg...I was really surprised to find live performances on the internet...
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WestTexAg06 .... Recently you asked for a list of reference publications regarding the oil industry. I googled around a bit on the subject and the best starting reference I have been able to find is a Wikipedia article. The bibliography and the reference list contained in the article should keep you occupied all winter, plus you will have a foundation on all processes involved from metamorphosis of crude to production of fuels.

Give this site a try:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum

Another interesting site I located gives a good description of fractional distillation of crude oil into its various petroleum products by way of just applying heat. This is the method that was used in the refining process up until the 1930s when higher octane gasoline was demanded for high compression engines in automobiles. (After that point the chemistry and the process became more complicated which is out of my league.)

This site gives the basis picture of crude oil processing:

http://www.energymanagertraining.com/petrochemical/Fractional%20distillation.htm

Since the subject seems to have morphed into petroleum products, this might be a good place to venture into the history of gasoline from the early days to fairly recent history.

The gasoline used in automobiles through the 1920s ranged from 40-60 octane. That was fine with the low compression ratios in the Model Ts and Model As but by the mid-20s auto makers were anxious to develop higher compression engines for better auto performance.

In 1922 GM had discovered that Tetraethyl Lead (TEL) would reduce the knock in their test engines when added to basic gasoline (it did not increase the octane rating.) Everyone knew that TEL was extremely toxic but the political persuasion of Standard Oil, DuPont and other chem manufacturers powered its acceptance through Congress. So we got a new grade of gasoline in the late 20s called Ethyl.

Now this is where gasoline history gets confusing. We all know that gasoline (a liquid) is not gas, but drivers have always called it gas. Gasoline was called gas until the leaded gas came along called "Ethyl", so regular gas at that time became known as White Gas (by then 50-70 octane through better refining ... but we did not call it Regular at that time.)

By the late 30s to 40s refiners had developed better processes for producing higher octane rating gas. These gasolines effectively replaced White Gas and when no TEL was added became known as Regular Gas. But White Gas did not disappear ... it was still used in early outboard motors, power lawn mowers, lanterns and camp stoves. So most larger stations had three pumps ... Ethyl, Regular and White.

Eventually White Gas pumps disappeared except around bodies of water where outboard motors were slow in converting to higher compression. And for campers, Coleman began to market Coleman Fuel which for all practical purposes is White Gas (in Australia it is called Naptha.)

A word of warning in case some of you happen to have your Grandpappy's old camp stove or lantern ... those early stoves and lanterns were designed to work on White Gas or Kerosene. Two jets came with the items marked with a K or G to be installed depending on the fuel to be used. Filling a lantern with White Gas (or Coleman Fuel) is a recipe for disaster if the old relic still has a Kerosene (K)jet.

Now as for Ethyl gasoline, by 1986 it was estimated that automobiles had pumped 15 billion pounds of toxic lead into the atmosphere. In the 1970s an incremental decrease of lead in gasoline had eliminated it from on-road vehicle use by 1995. It is still in use in off-road applications such as aviation fuel, tractors and race cars.

In the 1970 we were introduced to a new name for gasoline ... Unleaded (which by 1995 all of it was and is today.) I am sure for new drivers, some probably wonder why with only unleaded gas at the pumps why we don't just call it Gasoline (in 3 octane ratings) ... and forget any reference to Lead.

I hope this gives a bit of insight into the changing terms for gasoline over the years. Just know that Coleman Fuel has effectively replaced White Gas. We have Unleaded Gas now but Leaded Gas is history. (The only variety not covered is the term WellHead Gas ... not the gaseous gas that companies routinely burned off by flaring at well locations (now called Natural Gas)... but a liquid form that came out of the well head that some old timers claim to have collected and used in early model automobiles ... I could not verify that.)



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Regarding Flouridation: I grew up in the middle of the floride area, Hale Center. And the mottling problem on teeth had something to do with the interaction of floride and chlorine. So town kids, who drank the naturally flouridated and artificially chlorinated water had the brown teeth.

We country kids, who drank straight well water with no treatment, had white teeth.

Even today, it is recommended that young kids drink bottled water if they live in town.



Regarding TEL in gasoline, I've seen articles before that detail how alcohol was used as an early anti-knock agent, and how, in the 1920s, alcohol was seen as the fuel of the future. However, when the dangerous TEL was introduced, someone with ties to Standard Oil was in the federal goverment, and pushed through its adoption...even though the health problems were well known.

So the fledgling alcohol fuel industry died, not to be reborn for 60 years. One wonders what the farm economy would have been during the 1920s if fuel alcohol had taken off. It might have softened the farm depression of the 1920s, which of course, was followed by The Great Depression.

If I find that article again, I'll post it.



And another thing on gasoline/kerosene. If you look at a John Deere tractor built from the 20s to the 50s, you may well notice two fuel tanks. Both will be at the top of the hood. One will be at the rear, close to the driver, and be about 1/2 gallon in size. The other will be further forward, and 10-15 gallons. There will be a three-position valve below the tanks: off, rear, front.

Back in the day, gasoline was expensive, maybe 5 cents a gallon, while kerosene was cheaper, maybe 4 cents a gallon. But kerosene was less volatile, and made it really hard to hand-crank a tractor. So the small tank was filled with gasoline, and you used it to start the engine. As soon as the engine warmed up, you switched to the front kerosene tank, to run on the cheaper fuel.

And at the end of the day, you switched the fuel supply off, and let the tractor die by running out of fuel. This was necessary because magnetos, not battery power provided ignition. In addition, this cleared the kerosene out, ready for gasoline the next morning.

In the 1950s, butane became very cheap in Texas, and lots of farmers converted over to LP gas fuel. Several homemade conversions still exsist, and John Deere got on the bandwagon and made LP tractors through the 1960s. Later on, propane replaced butane.

I always hated filling tractors with propane because you had to bleed off the tank as you filled. It was loud, smelly and scary. Though I always enjoyed when the filling was done....I'd shut off the flow at the tank and at the tractor end. Disconnect from the tractor, and use the residual gas in the hose to freeze a few weeds...then break the leaves. Big fun.


Regarding: "but a liquid form that came out of the well head that some old timers claim to have collected and used in early model automobiles ... I could not verify that.)"

My dad grew up at Ackerly. I have also heard the stories about "condensate", a liquid that is a byproduct of gas/oil production that collects at the wellhead. Some old timers supposedly did run it in the cars and trucks. But it was supposedly low octane and not very good for the engine. In addition, the tax guys would get all grumpy at folks who did not pay road tax.

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CanyonAg77 .... That was an interesting post. I had just about forgotten those early day farm tractors and the hoops we had to jump through to get them to run. The early day John Deeres were particularly noteworthy.

You mechanically inclined readers may not be aware of the unique design of the early day John Deere engine .... two cylinders.

All of the John Deere tractors from the original Model D in 1924, to the last series in 1958/1960 were called "Johnny Poppers" or "Poppin' Johnnies" because of their distinctive exhaust note. During the course of two revolutions (a four-stroke cycle) of the engine (720 degrees) the first cylinder fires at 0 degrees, the second at 180 degrees, then the engine coasts 540 degrees until it fires again beginning the next cycle.

The sound of a Popping Johnnie in the distance was not too different from the sound of the Ajax motors on oil well pumps. Pow, pow, (pause)pow, pow (pause.) A neighbor teenager had to plow with one and we felt a bit superior to him because we had a 4-cylinder 1933 Model F-12 Farmall (with lug wheels) that had a more conventional sound (but not a bit more fieldworthy.)

I was not aware of the extra gas tank for starting the Johnnies. That was remarkable considering how hard those old tractors were to crank. I figure the late 30s would be the earliest that starters became available on farm tractors although we never had that luxury until after WWII in about 1947. We got a couple of rubber tired, hydraulic power lift H-Model Farmalls complete with battery, lights and starter!

I do not know about John Deeres but the magneto setting was the key to safe and effective cranking on the older models. On the old Farmall, as on early automobiles that relied on hand cranks to start, there was a lever to set the magneto. For starting, the lever was put in one position to fire when the #1 cylinder was at top dead center ... and after the engine started the lever was changed to fire a bit before TDC for higher RPM running. (Early day spark advance.)

Now if a person forgot to set the magneto to the start position and took a big swing on the crank, that engine when it fired would kick that crank back like a mule ... I suppose it would break an arm if the person had a good grip on the handle. I figure that was the way profanity was passed from generation to generation on farms if kids happened to be within earshot when a crank kicked back.

After watching my dad struggle with that old F-12 Farmall that had a top plowing speed of three miles per hour my grandfather was not convinced that tractors would ever replace a good team of Spanish mules.

 
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