I'm just removing the brace. Going to let this play out a lot longer before registering anything.

Daddy-O5 said:

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*NOT A LAWYER* but from what I understand about the "rule" I don't think that matters. I've always understood all you have to do is take the brace off to be in compliance. I don't believe adjustability actually has anything to do with the new "rule". There are pistol braces for both styles.

ETA: Constructive intent is the only grey area I'm still pseudo curious about. They claim all you have to do is take off the brace (ATF director is on tape saying this), but if you just take it off and leave it right next to it?

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ATF says you just can't have the brace on the weapon. You can have a tube that accepts a brace. You can have a brace. You can't have the brace on the pistol. According to the ATF who also said it was perfectly legal.

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Compliance sucks.

Brace has been removed.

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Good for you. It's obvious there's no way for the gun to be dangerous now in the wrong hands.

I'm so glad the government is here to protect us.

Easier to conceal!

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Congressman Andrew Clyde has made it known that he is leading efforts to shut down the brace rule. He has said he is confident that he can stop it but that there will be a gap between the effective date and the date at which he thinks his efforts will come into play. Still nothing in the courts. I imagine if nothing happens by the deadline, then the ATF website will be a ****show on May 30.

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It'll crash for days. Still the millions of people out there that have these braces, but zero knowledge of this bull**** rule from the ATF.

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That in my mind is the biggest problem. Some pour guy is going to show up at a range in some liberal run part of the country and end up in federal prison for a rifle that he legally bought with a background check.

ATF is an enemy.

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Not only that but he'll never be able to shoot again.

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Yeah man, that's terrible. I can't imagine what it would have felt like to vote for a political party that pushes this kind of legislation, because they didn't like mean tweets.

Just saw this…

Mock_v_Garland_Order_Granting_Motion_for_Injunction_Pending_Appeal.pdf (thereload.com)

When this is all said and done and the courts rule against the ATF, I wonder what the ATF is going to do with their new list of people they have who voluntarily told them exactly what they own.

agsalaska said:

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When this is all said and done and the courts rule against the ATF, I wonder what the ATF is going to do with their new list of people they have who voluntarily told them exactly what they own.

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You mean like the list you are already on from when you bought your suppressors?

agsalaska said:

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When this is all said and done and the courts rule against the ATF, I wonder what the ATF is going to do with their new list of people they have who voluntarily told them exactly what they own.

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agsalaska said:

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When this is all said and done and the courts rule against the ATF, I wonder what the ATF is going to do with their new list of people they have who voluntarily told them exactly what they own.

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Good question, I'm not sure. I for one don't intend to be on that particular list.

javajaws said:

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agsalaska said:

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When this is all said and done and the courts rule against the ATF, I wonder what the ATF is going to do with their new list of people they have who voluntarily told them exactly what they own.

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Or what happens to the free tax stamps you received? Will they become invalid? Or will they come asking for $200 later?

In my case, I was wanting to SBR most of my braced guns anyway so no big deal for me. For others I totally understand the hesitancy.

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This is why most people said they would sit tight until the very last day to see what happened.

javajaws said:

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agsalaska said:

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When this is all said and done and the courts rule against the ATF, I wonder what the ATF is going to do with their new list of people they have who voluntarily told them exactly what they own.

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Or what happens to the free tax stamps you received? Will they become invalid? Or will they come asking for $200 later?

In my case, I was wanting to SBR most of my braced guns anyway so no big deal for me. For others I totally understand the hesitancy.

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I'm not aware of the ATF ever reverting stamps when they've done amnesty programs in the past, but this one is pretty different.

I've also never heard of the ATF removing items from the NFRTR. Once registered, they're always on the list. When you tell the ATF the guns have been destroyed or put back to Title 1 status, they just enter a note in the system vs physically removing the listing

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With most of rhe 4473's being electronic these days, the ATF knows what is in your safe.

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You're assuming most folks who are concerned with what the ATF knows habitually fill out a 4473.

Lots of private transactions occur with little to no record/documentation, certainly no paperwork available to the ATF.

Many rifle parts are bought individually with no way to track what is done with them. Most commonly how many AR lowers are sold independently and built out, with no way for the ATF to know what specifically was done with the lower.

80% lowers (not just AR lowers) also increase the opportunity for individuals to have firearms unknown to the ATF.

Do I think the ATF already knows more than we'd like to accept? Probably, but I also think you underestimate the ability to avoid that (legally) at this point.

Mr. Dubi said:

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With most of rhe 4473's being electronic these days, the ATF knows what is in your safe.

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Not to completely derail, but I still don't believe that to be a fact. I have been involved in hundreds of ATF traces and if they knew the information you claim they knew they wouldn't be calling my stores.

That being said, private transactions are a substantial % of transactions. I have filled out one 4473 in 10 years and that was for my son's .243. Everything else is private transactions.

agsalaska said:

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Mr. Dubi said:

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With most of rhe 4473's being electronic these days, the ATF knows what is in your safe.

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Not to completely derail, but I still don't believe that to be a fact. I have been involved in hundreds of ATF traces and if they knew the information you claim they knew they wouldn't be calling my stores.

That being said, private transactions are a substantial % of transactions. I have filled out one 4473 in 10 years and that was for my son's .243. Everything else is private transactions.

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There is software to fill out 4473's that is not tied to any database. You still have to print it and sign it.

That said, ATF is starting to allow cloud storage for 4473's in leu of paper storage. They would have access to this for tracers. So it won't be too long if someone does t shut that down.

This is what happens when you substitute the rule of law (2nd Amendment) with the rule of man (ATF/AG).