AgLA06 said:

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Cool. I missed that one point in pages after pages of posts. Now I'm hosed.

We as citizens shouldn't have to check the ATF daily to see what new FAQ will screw us.

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IMO the inventory date of an item is the acquisition date that for which you have the receipt.

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Oh well. I need to find all my trust papers anyways. And I am pretty sure my physical registration papers for my suppressors are lost forever in a move. Need to find out how to replace those.

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Can you login in to the ATF website? I think you can see all your stamps.

so if someone were not particularly interested in the SBR route, could you simply change out your upper for one with a 16" barrel while you wait to see how this all shakes out?

or is there a constructive possession concern as long as you also own the upper with the under 16" barrel?

Yesterday said:

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Or just take the brace off and own a pure AR pistol.

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perfect, thanks for the quick response!

Yesterday said:

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Or just take the brace off and own a pure AR pistol.

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I think this is likely the best option for many....

Do you have to send in evidence of destruction of it or can someone say "i threw it away"

jackie childs said:

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Yesterday said:

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Or just take the brace off and own a pure AR pistol.

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perfect, thanks for the quick response!

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I think his question still stands though around constructive possession. Is there anything he should do with that brace if he were actually concerned?

Not legal advice

The brace is not in and of itself illegal. I understand the ATF said to destroy it, but that is BS as the recent 5th circuit stated with the bump stock.

I would for sure hold onto it for the 120 days and then do as you wish after if we don't get a stay or overturn by then.

Since we're all spitballing and waiting...

Theoretically, if 2 different households each had a braced pistol...And those pistols were disassembled, and one person kept two braced lowers, and the other kept two pistol uppers, neither has constructive possession of a full braced pistol...Right?

Here are the options if one does not plan to go the SBR route from the ATF's FAQs.

COMPLIANCE OPTIONS

4. WHAT ARE THE COMPLIANCE OPTIONS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL (NON-LICENSEE) IN POSSESSION OF A
FIREARM EQUIPPED WITH A "STABILIZING BRACE," WHICH IS A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR), AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE FINAL RULE?

Submit through the eForms system an Application to Make and Register a Firearm, ATF Form 1 (E-
Form 1) within 120-days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.
Permanently remove or alter the "stabilizing brace" so that it cannot be reattached and thereby
removing it from regulation as a "firearm" under the NFA.
Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm thus removing
it from the provisions of the NFA.
Turn the firearm into your local ATF office.
Destroy the firearm. For more information go to How to Properly Destroy Firearms | Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov)

The guy from Guns and Gadgets on Youtube was on the call with the ATF yesterday where they attempted to answer questions. He addresses several things like putting a smooth buffer tube on, the Shockwave brace, constructive intent, etc.

Multiple lawsuits already filed.

They've stated multiple times that owning the brace is not illegal. It's perfectly fine if you swap the uppers with a 16" barrel. Go ahead and keep the brace. I believe in that video where Guns and Gadgets was on the ATF call yesterday, they state that you could remove the brace, place a smooth buffer tube on, and then reattach the brace so long as it isn't permanently attached and you could demonstrate a verifiable need to use a brace. And apparently a Shockwave brace is ok to keep on in that configuration.

I've read through the 293 pages multiple times, and it's chock full of contradictions. The hope is that it gets stuck down quickly and that several of the previous rulings that were shot down like the Bumpstock Ban and the common use argument help expedite it.

He clarified in his next video he was not talking about the kak shockwave brace, but the mossberg shockwave.

However, the fact that there is so much confusion about the rule, is exactly why I've always thought (and so does Guns and Gadgets) that this rule doesn't really stand a chance, at least not in its current form.

I missed the note in the description on the Shockwave. Thanks for clarifying.

Around the 2:25 mark of the video you posted (very informative, thanks!), he seems to imply that you wouldn't necessarily have to install a smooth buffer tube.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into his wording, but it almost sounds like just removing the brace part would suffice

I appreciate the mature and thoughtful response. I just think it's ridiculous to even include destroying the firearm as an option. It's like listing "burn down your house" as an option when dealing with a insect infestation. Sure it solves the problem and is plausible but it's insane.

lp01 said:

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It depends on the infestation right? Full of spiders, burn it down!

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That's why I said insects specifically and not arachnids

This.

Have supported for a few years now.

Same. May throw some cash at FracAction too.

Which video is that?

lp01 said:

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Here are the options if one does not plan to go the SBR route from the ATF's FAQs.

COMPLIANCE OPTIONS

4. WHAT ARE THE COMPLIANCE OPTIONS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL (NON-LICENSEE) IN POSSESSION OF A
FIREARM EQUIPPED WITH A "STABILIZING BRACE," WHICH IS A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR), AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE FINAL RULE?

Submit through the eForms system an Application to Make and Register a Firearm, ATF Form 1 (E-
Form 1) within 120-days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.
Permanently remove or alter the "stabilizing brace" so that it cannot be reattached and thereby
removing it from regulation as a "firearm" under the NFA.
Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm thus removing
it from the provisions of the NFA.
Turn the firearm into your local ATF office.
Destroy the firearm. For more information go to How to Properly Destroy Firearms | Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov)

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"Turn the firearm into your local ATF office."

How, exactly, does one turn an AR Pistol into an ATF office? That seems like a LOT of work...

I guess you could just make the pistol fire duds, then it would be just as effective as an ATF office.

NickNaylor said:

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**** them, I'm going to shoulder it ever harder.

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Cheek weld and everything!