AlaskanAg99 said:
We have friends headed to Kaanapali next Sat, we were supposed to be in the same timeshare the week after.
Nothing was damaged 4miles north of Lahaina but the emails from the association asked people to alter their plans and to not visit. So last Thursday we pivoted to Kauai, friends don't understand the issues of visiting. Having been involved in multiple disasters from CA wildfires to floods and Hurricanes I tried to explain the issues but they wilfully aren't listening. Recovery can take a long time and they've never had to deal with something like this.
Issues with power, cell/internet and water remain and may not be restored quickly, at least not within a week after the fire where they'll still pulling bodies out. It'll be curious if airline's will cancel people's flights at the request of local government.
For some resorts they kicked everyone out so the airport must have been a hot mess for days. Hard to find information of what's going on the ground now.
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Information is sketchy, but it appears local efforts to help are being shut down, roadblocks are all over town, and only the feds and their longtime ally -- that's FEMA and the Red Cross -- are "permitted" providers of aid, according to reports.
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The more important story is that locals are trying to help other locals and seem to be thwarted -- by the very government that failed to protect them from the fire in the first place.
Sharing from an actual resident in #Maui. Please share as the government isn't doing nearly enough to help them. pic.twitter.com/jhi4PXtIZe
— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) August 11, 2023
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The main road to Lahaina, the Honoapiilani highway, was briefly re-opened to residents on Saturday, before quickly being closed again.
Hundreds of Lahaina residents have stayed in line on the highway anyway, hoping to be be allowed through.
Liz Germansky, who lost her home in the fire, is angry about the response. "The government's getting in the way of people helping," she says, sitting in that same traffic queue.
Another route, the Kahekili Highway, is open, but locals say it's far too dangerous to attempt that drive. The road - known simply here as "the backroad" to Lahaina - is barely wide enough for one car, has many hair-pin turns, and a steep drop-off.
"We can't drive this truck there. It's a cliff," said resident Ruth Lee who was stuck in traffic trying to bring supplies to her family that stayed behind.
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Felicia Johnson, who owns a printing business in the city of Kahului, Maui, is organising a massive grassroots response to the disaster.
Her family is from the Lahaina area. She has amassed hundreds of pounds of donated supplies to bring in, but has been unable to shuttle them through the government checkpoint.
She says that pleading with authorities to let her enter with her donated goods is the hardest part for her emotionally - not the devastation she has witnessed while dropping off supplies."That's the part that I'm so wrecked on, is I got to keep begging you to come in to feed people."
Many of the docks in the area are too badly damaged or destroyed to bring in supplies by boat, Ms Johnson said. Some people that have made the journey have swum the supplies to the shore.
Some of the young men helping her load supplies blame government mismanagement and bureaucracy.
"Too many chiefs, not enough warriors," said Bradah Young, 25.
"Everybody is in charge but nobody is moving," said another man.
agrams said:
immediately made me think about kayne and his Bush comment.
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I can see the military getting involved in all this too
agracer said:oh good grief, do these people not have any insurance? I mean that's what it's for!YouBet said:
Wife shared with me that she's seeing calls from locals to the elites on Maui to help them rebuild and pay for it. Sounds like lots of historical anger is being expressed via this tragedy.
Our friends house is still ok and out of danger.
Bird Poo said:agracer said:oh good grief, do these people not have any insurance? I mean that's what it's for!YouBet said:
Wife shared with me that she's seeing calls from locals to the elites on Maui to help them rebuild and pay for it. Sounds like lots of historical anger is being expressed via this tragedy.
Our friends house is still ok and out of danger.
Let's just say it's much different there. Island life is a little backwards.
Bugs me that trillions have been spent on 'homeland security' over the past two decades and this is what we've got to show for it.AlaskanAg99 said:
I'm not going to disagree. Part of the problem is information coming out from the timeshare association has been incredibly bad. We haven't cancelled our reservation and we've heard absolutely nothing. Part of the issue is communication has been abysmal which gives people the false assumption things aren't that bad because Kaanapali didn't burn.
The Hawaiian/Maui Emergency Ops Centers efforts have left a lot to be desired. Essentially they should have a group working with the airlines to cancel inbound flights for tourists. Make it mandatory. But not all of the island is impacted so it's a real big complicated mess.
If you do a search on visiting, all the articles are 3 days old. For a state prone to Hurricanes this is pretty poor planning. Esp when probably over 50% of the population is tourists.
https://mauinow.com/2023/08/12/power-restored-to-more-areas-of-west-maui-hotels-plan-to-house-residents-displaced-by-fire/
Power slowly being restored.
AlaskanAg99 said:
Well, friends did change their plans finally. Whew.
Was just there as well and we went to the Old Lahaina Luau. My wife and I have been multiple times and we took our kid this round.FireAg said:
We were shopping on Front Street less than 3 weeks ago...
I have a ton of family memories over the years from Lahaina...
Word is Old Lahaina Luau complex was lost, and last I heard, they were trying to defend Cannery Mall and Safeway...
Be prepared to drop Benjamins. But yes, the food is fantastic. And beautiful view of the Pacific.YouBet said:Yes, this place is badass.aggiehawg said:Good thoughts and prayers for them. Glad they are safe but shudder to think what they will come back to.YouBet said:
Awful. We have friends that live near there. They happen to be here right now so they avoided all of that. Their place is ok so far.
After Hawaii's draconian reaction to covid, the tourism business was finally coming back and now this?
OT but Mama's Fish House in Paia on Maui is the absolutely f***in' best seafood I have ever eaten, anywhere.
Go there, if you can get in. We went midafternoon and only had a small wait. Mahi-mahi stuffed with lobster, crab in a macadamia nut crust is to die for. For appetizers, the macadamia nut crab cakes are almost a religious experience, if you are a foodie.
We were just in Lahaina (2 weeks ago), and it rained (lightly) almost daily. Maui has second highest rainfall on the planet, behind Kauai.agracer said:It rains in some parts, not all.Foreverconservative said:
Serious question, what started these fires?
Kilauea is no longer erupting. Lava supply to the Halemaumau lava lake is paused. Kilauea is quiet. WTF is going on here.
Media is calling Maui a tender box? I've spent a lot of time on Maui and in Hawaii in general. It rained there almost daily. Humidity is always high and like I said daily showers are common. This seems really suspicious. These climate nuts will do anything to stir their narrative
When we were in Lahaina last December my wife and I saw no rain in 6-days on that side of the island. We did get rained on when we went hiking on the north side of the Island and on the road to Hana (north east and east side).
Same when w went to Kauai in 2018, rained some parts, not others. I thought I read somewhere that Kauai has one of the wettest and driest places on earth.
Whats really going on in Maui? pic.twitter.com/xLQnj6O6Tt
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Yes there was very light rain early in the morning and one time about 10 pm, but it was all dried up by noon every dayaggierogue said:We were just in Lahaina (2 weeks ago), and it rained (lightly) almost daily. Maui has second highest rainfall on the planet, behind Kauai.agracer said:It rains in some parts, not all.Foreverconservative said:
Serious question, what started these fires?
Kilauea is no longer erupting. Lava supply to the Halemaumau lava lake is paused. Kilauea is quiet. WTF is going on here.
Media is calling Maui a tender box? I've spent a lot of time on Maui and in Hawaii in general. It rained there almost daily. Humidity is always high and like I said daily showers are common. This seems really suspicious. These climate nuts will do anything to stir their narrative
When we were in Lahaina last December my wife and I saw no rain in 6-days on that side of the island. We did get rained on when we went hiking on the north side of the Island and on the road to Hana (north east and east side).
Same when w went to Kauai in 2018, rained some parts, not others. I thought I read somewhere that Kauai has one of the wettest and driest places on earth.
Is it just me or is that the least libertarian-sounding tweet ever?aggiehawg said:Quote:
Information is sketchy, but it appears local efforts to help are being shut down, roadblocks are all over town, and only the feds and their longtime ally -- that's FEMA and the Red Cross -- are "permitted" providers of aid, according to reports.Quote:
The more important story is that locals are trying to help other locals and seem to be thwarted -- by the very government that failed to protect them from the fire in the first place.Sharing from an actual resident in #Maui. Please share as the government isn't doing nearly enough to help them. pic.twitter.com/jhi4PXtIZe
— Being Libertarian (@beinlibertarian) August 11, 2023Quote:
The main road to Lahaina, the Honoapiilani highway, was briefly re-opened to residents on Saturday, before quickly being closed again.
Hundreds of Lahaina residents have stayed in line on the highway anyway, hoping to be be allowed through.
Liz Germansky, who lost her home in the fire, is angry about the response. "The government's getting in the way of people helping," she says, sitting in that same traffic queue.
Another route, the Kahekili Highway, is open, but locals say it's far too dangerous to attempt that drive. The road - known simply here as "the backroad" to Lahaina - is barely wide enough for one car, has many hair-pin turns, and a steep drop-off.
"We can't drive this truck there. It's a cliff," said resident Ruth Lee who was stuck in traffic trying to bring supplies to her family that stayed behind.Read the restQuote:
Felicia Johnson, who owns a printing business in the city of Kahului, Maui, is organising a massive grassroots response to the disaster.
Her family is from the Lahaina area. She has amassed hundreds of pounds of donated supplies to bring in, but has been unable to shuttle them through the government checkpoint.
She says that pleading with authorities to let her enter with her donated goods is the hardest part for her emotionally - not the devastation she has witnessed while dropping off supplies."That's the part that I'm so wrecked on, is I got to keep begging you to come in to feed people."
Many of the docks in the area are too badly damaged or destroyed to bring in supplies by boat, Ms Johnson said. Some people that have made the journey have swum the supplies to the shore.
Some of the young men helping her load supplies blame government mismanagement and bureaucracy.
"Too many chiefs, not enough warriors," said Bradah Young, 25.
"Everybody is in charge but nobody is moving," said another man.
Agree. It's like a Hawaiian version of Yellowstone.YouBet said:
Nothing would surprise me. Absolutely nothing.
You haven't spent much time in Hawaii. Food, gas, etc is much more expensive than Texas. Living on a teacher salary would not be easy. They pay significantly less than most schools in Texas, which is not enough.aggiehawg said:
My sister-in-law was a school administrator in Hawaii for several years, starting 2007-2008 or thereabout. She went to every island and tried to train administrators at those schools to improve their student performance. She was short, blonde, blue-eyed. They hated her instantly. Schools are not well staffed in Hawaii.
Which is kind of odd if you ask me. Get a teacher gig in Hawaii? State employee? Bennies and the rest? Sounds like a great job!
Except if you are an edicator and not a native. Then they just show you the hand, pick up their surfboard and head out of the admin building at three o'clock.
When Americans don’t matter as much. pic.twitter.com/75oN4cGHOV
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