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We are all absolutely heartbroken…
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We are all absolutely heartbroken…
wasn't really planning on heading back into the Pacific anywayEllis Wyatt said:Yep. Maybe the most condescending and racist place I have been in the world, and I have visited many places.Quote:
Honestly, most Hawaiians are like that, especially toward outsiders, white outsiders in particular. They like your tourist dollars, but that's where it stops.
Agreed. I've seen comments from locals that the fire was started by rich corporations so they could sweep and take the land for more hotels.YouBet said:
Wife shared with me that she's seeing calls from locals to the elites on Maui to help them rebuild and pay for it. Sounds like lots of historical anger is being expressed via this tragedy.
LMCane said:wasn't really planning on heading back into the Pacific anywayEllis Wyatt said:Yep. Maybe the most condescending and racist place I have been in the world, and I have visited many places.Quote:
Honestly, most Hawaiians are like that, especially toward outsiders, white outsiders in particular. They like your tourist dollars, but that's where it stops.
but this thread seals the deal with what you are describing.
It's Buenos Aires, Rio (again) and Cartagena (again)
RIght, maybe you should vacation in Iran, Saudi, N Korea, China, hell the whole Middle East, Northern Africa, now South Africa, all bastions of racial equality.....It Aint Easy Being Brown said:LMCane said:wasn't really planning on heading back into the Pacific anywayEllis Wyatt said:Yep. Maybe the most condescending and racist place I have been in the world, and I have visited many places.Quote:
Honestly, most Hawaiians are like that, especially toward outsiders, white outsiders in particular. They like your tourist dollars, but that's where it stops.
but this thread seals the deal with what you are describing.
It's Buenos Aires, Rio (again) and Cartagena (again)
Lolz
Danimal said:
Politics? Isn't there an outdoors and general board?
Texker said:
I have extended family there. All but 1 have lost their home.
agz win said:
News report this morning of over 1,000 missing.
Tragic.
A Catholic church reportedly remains untouched by the wildfires as a symbol of hope in Hawaii
— Sachin Jose (@Sachinettiyil) August 12, 2023
Around 67 people have died in the wildfires that has almost totally destroyed the Lahaina town in Hawaii’s Maui. While according to local reports coming out, Maria Lanakila, a Catholic… pic.twitter.com/y1zGUKfvgO
HAWAII
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) August 11, 2023
Maria Lanakila Catholic Church completely unharmed by fire while everything around it is burnt to the ground. pic.twitter.com/WCsw9b4U9T
aggiehawg said:
I'm sorry but I have to ask how the building codes worked in Lahaina versus the Historical Preservation Board? Changing the location of a bathroom had to pass newer building codes in most locales. Was it outside elevation only that was affected?
Granted, I understand that modern sprinkler systems and other fire exstinguishing devices are common everywhere else with a certain degree of remodeling but how did that work in Hawaii?
Anyone know?
No sirens went off either. Did you have a point?Quote:
No sprinkler system is going to save a building from a fire like that. Sprinkler systems are meant to suppress a fire inside the building and snuff it out before it gets out of control, but when the whole world outside is on fire, you're just spraying a forest fire with a garden hose.
Regardless, the sprinkler system won't help in a wildfire. For one the sprinkler system is inside and is designed to minimize damage inside, while the wildfire is working from outside inaggiehawg said:
I'm sorry but I have to ask how the building codes worked in Lahaina versus the Historical Preservation Board? Changing the location of a bathroom had to pass newer building codes in most locales. Was it outside elevation only that was affected?
Granted, I understand that modern sprinkler systems and other fire exstinguishing devices are common everywhere else with a certain degree of remodeling but how did that work in Hawaii?
Anyone know?
aggiehawg said:No sirens went off either. Did you have a point?Quote:
No sprinkler system is going to save a building from a fire like that. Sprinkler systems are meant to suppress a fire inside the building and snuff it out before it gets out of control, but when the whole world outside is on fire, you're just spraying a forest fire with a garden hose.
And the building next to it? And the one next to that? None of the fininshed foam system (Aqueous Film Forming Foam) . Surfactants.Quote:
The point is that the question of how sprinklers worked in Lahaina is completely irrelevant considering that no sprinkler system in the world could have saved a building from the spread of a fire that intense.
aggiehawg said:And the building next to it? And the one next to that? None of the fininshed foam system (Aqueous Film Forming Foam) . Surfactants.Quote:
The point is that the question of how sprinklers worked in Lahaina is completely irrelevant considering that no sprinkler system in the world could have saved a building from the spread of a fire that intense.
ETA: Steam when the wet stuff hits the red stuff can burn off an ear when not fully protected. The nozzle man can't get there.
Was wondering about that church. Went to mass there in December and sung "Aloha Madonna" as the processional hymn!RebelE Infantry said:
As a small beacon of light in the tragic story- it appears that the Catholic church in Lahaina was miraculously spared from the devastation.A Catholic church reportedly remains untouched by the wildfires as a symbol of hope in Hawaii
— Sachin Jose (@Sachinettiyil) August 12, 2023
Around 67 people have died in the wildfires that has almost totally destroyed the Lahaina town in Hawaii’s Maui. While according to local reports coming out, Maria Lanakila, a Catholic… pic.twitter.com/y1zGUKfvgOHAWAII
— Catholic Arena (@CatholicArena) August 11, 2023
Maria Lanakila Catholic Church completely unharmed by fire while everything around it is burnt to the ground. pic.twitter.com/WCsw9b4U9T
RebelE Infantry said:
Ya, I'm not so sure that we chalk this up to superior construction materials from 1846…