McKinney Ag69 said:
1. We provoked Russia by putting NATO on their doorstep. Imagine If Russia had bases in the Bahamas or Mexico.
2. Our corrupt politicians in congress and the Biden's use Ukraine as a money laundering factory stealing our tax dollars.
3. I'm tired of seeing tens of billions of our taxpayer dollars go to Ukraine only for the money to be skimmed by their corrupt bureaucrats and the weapons we purchase sold on the black market. Imagine what $100B could do for our infrastructure and military. How many state of the art roads, schools, and battleships could that build? An aircraft carrier costs $13B for reference.
4. Ukraine has no shot to win. Better for Russia to end it and end the human suffering going on.
5. There are actual Nazis in Ukrainian military. Didn't those guys lead to 60M deaths in WW2? Why are we giving them guns and money. No thanks .
In before being called a Putin lover by our resident Ukraine/Zelensky bootlicker crowd.
1. Poor Russia. All the old Soviet countries just didn't want to be a part of the new Russian empire and so they joined a defensive alliance. It's just not fair. And the even more unfair thing is that this invasion has sparked the largest expansion of NATO in decades. Finland, Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, they just really don't want to be a part of Russia and that's why Russia has to invade. They really didn't want to have wars of territoral aggresion, but noe they have to - because of NATO. Right OP?
2. Prove it. I want to see your theory for how delivering HIMARs and Bradleys in a war of survival actually makes anybody money. I'm not denying that there is corruption in Ukraine, but when we deliver a weapons system they need for their survival, how is anybody making money with corruption - given that that is the vast majority of what we are doing. Russia could have not invaded Ukraine, remember that.
3. Show me where our weapons to Ukraine or being sold on the black market please. I would love to see your research on this. We aren't spending $100B, we're mostly delivering stockpiles of weapons that we've built over decades. Further more, this war has shown that just in time manufacturing is not a sustainable defense strategy in actual conflict, so defense spending needs to be built for war time capacity even if you don't plan on getting there. So this aid in effect is helping to remodernize our military... And it's shedding the cost sink of maintaining excess inventory of soon to be outdated weapons systems.
4. Ukraine absolutely has a shot to win. They've mostly pushed Russia back since the opening month or two of the war. Russia hasn't fully captured a meaningful city since Izium like 9 months ago. Maybe they take Bakhmut, but it's not material compared to Kherson, kicking Russia out of Kharkiv Oblast, and out of the area north of Kyiv. The weather is finally improving and I think when the mud season dries up we see Ukraine attempt their largest counter offensive of the war.
5. You're an idiot if you think Ukraine is a Nazi military. Especially compared to the Russians. Remember that Russian children are living comfortably without fear. Ukrainian children are getting killed by missle strikes on apartment buildings.
I won't call you a Putin lover. I would just say, this is what happens when people make their identity around watching Tucker Carlson and being edgy online. Go touch grass.