They aren't healthier that is for sure. Wish covid could have taken out more fats. That would save us in healthcare costs in the long run
Running List of Professional Athletes w/ Heart Problems?
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The data is meaningless if it is rigged to fit your narrative. Vaccine injuries have been grossly underreported for two years now.Whistle Pig said:Quote:
It's all a coincidence. Just listen to Whistle Pig and Zobel. Heart issues are falling.
The data doesn't care about your feelings, anecdotes, or vibes. It "feels" like there's a lot more because you're searching out these stories, but didn't do it prior to 2020. This is an emotive and unreliable way to gather information.Quote:
people are healthier than ever!
Never said that. But heart related deaths among young people didn't increase after vaccines.
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Catching up on this thread it seems to be spiraling downward.
There are a lot of things that can be true at once here that neither "side" wants to recognize.
For the sake of this conversation I'm only referencing the US.
1. We were lied to from day one. About everything. Masks, infection rate, transmissibility, etc. No, it wasn't just because we didn't know, it's a coronavirus. And it doesn't matter what Faucis reasons for lying were, he lied. At least he did publicly admit it regarding the masks, but it ruined trust. From the onset trust was broken. Not a good start.
2. It was known early on that being infected with Covid could cause a variety of heart issues.
3. The vaccine was politicized by the left when operation Warp Speed was announced. Just about every Dem politician said they wouldn't touch the vaccine due to the risks of pushing it through the process so fast. "Trumps Vaccine." This was the first demonization of the vaccine.
4. Safe and effective (now undeniable) repurposed therapeutics were vilified and purposefully withheld from the population. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost due to this. More lies and deception further eroding trust. Doctors fired and censured for prescribing or recommending the therapeutics, even though there was plenty of independent clinical trials that the repurposed drugs worked and worked well.
5. Vaccine released with well documented, though exceedingly rare, serious side effects (basically any medicine ever).
6. Vaccine released with claims of a certain level of efficacy. 95% and a public campaign containing a promise that you wouldn't get Covid and therefore couldn't spread Covid. Everything about these claims were a lie meant to garner public trust in the vaccines because these same people, literally days prior, were publicly stating how dangerous the "Tump Vaccine" was.
7. Largest spike in our country (Dec of '21 - Mar '22) occurred well after the vaccine was well established in our population. This further eroded faith in the vaccine. It was about this time that more studies of efficacy and risk were released. This showed it wasn't very effective at preventing infection or spread, but pretty great at reducing severity of the illness. Also that the risks were slightly higher in certain demographics than previously reported.
8. Throughout this time, mandates, masking restrictions, and other preventative measures (distancing, for example) were unfairly being implemented. It was clear this was for control and not for safety due to the ridiculous policies and the fact that none of those people implementing these policies actually followed them. Obviously this further eroded trust in any measure being used to combat the pandemic.
9. There has been a well documented, though seemingly slight, rise in heart related deaths since covid began.
10. There are now doctors raising concerns that they are seeing more younger people have cardiac events.
11. Studies have been recently released showing that vaccine induced strokes/myocarditis are lower than infection induced, and both are very rare.
I'm sure Im missing a few things, but all of this can be true at once. The issue that I have is that CDC/Fauci and the like have proven to be dishonest in the intent and methodology of their trials. So it's hard to know where the funding for these studies is coming from. If CDC, NIH and the like have any paper trail approving or supplying funds for the studies in question then it is reasonable to be highly skeptical of the conclusions.
In addition, we're running out of time to actually find the answers out. At this point, it's super rare to find a true control group... Never infected and not vaccinated. Then a group never infected and recently vaxxed, and a group not vaxxed and recently infected. Then to find large enough groups in each of these categories, across all age groups, and then carry out the monitoring necessary to come to a definitive conclusion. And it needs to be independent without funding from cdc/nih/fda.
An excellent summary of this thread without the funny memes.
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Coincidences. Coincidences everywhere.
Now go get boosted.
Now go get boosted.
“There was a surge of deadly heart attacks across Australia in 2022. Death by heart attack surged 17% in 2022.
— Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis (@DrLoupis) January 23, 2023
What could have possibly changed from previous years? Was it the forced mandates?” https://t.co/DxCsMk1ZCs
It's kind of funny, but there's a 31 page thread on TD/Pol that posits that Hamlin wasn't really at the Bills Bengals game, and the working theory is something along the lines ofRWWilson said:
Does anyone know if there is a list of U.S. athletes who have experienced heart, blood, and circulatory issues since the vaccine rollout. Maybe nothing has changed, but in the last year and a half I recall the following NFL players having clot and heart problems and it seems much higher than should be expected for healthy young men.
Vin Curry Jets 8/21 blood clots
Graham Glasgow Broncos 9/21 Irregular heartbeat
JJ Watt Cardinals 9/22 heart arythmia
Henry Anderson Panthers 10/2022 stroke
Max Mitchell Jets 12/22 blood clots
Damar Hamlin Bills 1/23 heart attack
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Damar Hamlin" or a body double should I say, was at the game. Big pharma funded by Fauci and his chi-com handlers couldn't have the world know that their social experiment clot shot killed someone on live TV. So they paid off the NFL and the medical staff to not admit that Damar died that day. There will be some kind of cover-up soon, he'll die "mysteriously" and they'll blame it on complications from his "accident" to get the body double out of there. But Damar is dead and has been dead ever since Fauci's murder serum caused his heart to stop.
Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet
https://www.bet.com/article/tuzci3/damar-hamlin-responds-covid-vaccine-death-rumors
https://news.yahoo.com/damar-hamlin-responds-online-conspiracy-175648865.html?fr=sycsrp_catchallQuote:
Damar Hamlin Responds To Rumors That He Secretly Died From The COVID Vaccine
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bills-damar-hamlin-responds-clone-rumors-playoff-appearanceQuote:
Damar Hamlin responds to online conspiracy he's been cloned
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Bills' Damar Hamlin responds to 'clone' rumors after playoff appearance
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Ten percent of the adult population do not have the ability to hold the most basic job in the military. They are essentially people that need to be taken care of by society. Many of those people love social media.not hedge said:
Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet
I have to remind myself that often times I am reading from the "ten percent" or a bot.
not hedge said:
Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet
My guess is there are at least a few people on this board who bought that story.
Funny that the only people bringing up the body double crap are our resident leftists.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35531055/ex-detroit-lions-linebacker-jessie-lemonier-dies-age-25
Correlation is not causation.
It's a coincidence.
It's Covid's fault, not the vaccine.
REPEAT.
Correlation is not causation.
It's a coincidence.
It's Covid's fault, not the vaccine.
REPEAT.
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No details have been released on the cause of death.
Take the vaccine at your on peril. That being said, enjoy all the jabs you want. We're all grownups here (well most of us).
Newsflash: This isn't a court of law. it is a message board there Mr. Chief Justice.Zobel said:Quote:
No details have been released on the cause of death.
I get to state my gut feeling and then you can come back, if I'm wrong, and teach me about jumping to conclusions. In the meantime, keep clinging to the mRNA promotion narrative and never, ever, ever, give an inch regardless of the evidence.
mRNA GOOD. mRNA GOOD. mRNA GOOD.
REPEAT.
Another football player dropped dead of "coincidence" today. No connection to untested COVID mrna vaccines, I'm sure. Nothing to see. Move along.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-lions-linebacker-jessie-lemonier-dead
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-lions-linebacker-jessie-lemonier-dead
What are you basing the gut feeling on? There are literally no details released about his death.
That's called hoping. You're hoping.
That's called hoping. You're hoping.
Takes a special kind of ******* to sprint to a message board as soon as you hear about a young person dying and blame it on the vaccine (without even knowing the actual cause of death). But I guess we have a few of those here.
And another one....
Thomas Herrion died in 2005…
Yes, I know. Just trying to join in with the rest of the mouth breathers on here that equate every death with the vaccine.Shamwowed said:
Thomas Herrion died in 2005…
Jessie Lemonier probably died by suicide. Usually when the cause of death is not released/"remains unknown" it's due to suicide and the news is being respectful for the family.
Ok good! Sorry thought you were serious!
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
Nevermind
oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.
better go get many more boosters while we wait for someone to commence a long thorough peer-reviewed study on surfing accidents then
J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.
Kind of like when nurses were Tiktok dancing and hospitals were reporting everything as a covid death, right?
The Green Dragon said:J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.
Kind of like when nurses were Tiktok dancing and hospitals were reporting everything as a covid death, right?
Yes, a lot like that and just as sad. Glad you agree.
25 year-old athlete who dies suddenly and without an explanation. I'd be willing to bet it is one of three things based on many years of living and paying attention: overdose, suicide, or out-of-the-blue stroke/heart attack/blood clot (i.e. a mRNA coincidence). I'm going with the last option because there is no immediate evidence of prior drug use or depression, but there is evidence he was vaxxed.Zobel said:
What are you basing the gut feeling on? There are literally no details released about his death.
That's called hoping. You're hoping.
They don't care. They will not examine evidence that contradicts their entrenched position. They cast their lot with a "vaccine" that we now know doesn't prevent infection, transmission, or illness. People with shame would apologize rather than double down.oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
"pfizer swapped hamlin out with a body double and the nfl is covering it up" sounds like a narrative straight out of a qanon thread. but fortunately no one around these parts would ever subscribe to such quackery, right?J. Walter Weatherman said:not hedge said:
Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet
My guess is there are at least a few people on this board who bought that story.
J. Walter Weatherman said:The Green Dragon said:J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.
Kind of like when nurses were Tiktok dancing and hospitals were reporting everything as a covid death, right?
Yes, a lot like that and just as sad. Glad you agree.
Really makes zero difference to me. A kind of Pascal's wager. I'm not the one that has to worry if this is true. I just sit back and smile.
RWWilson said:They don't care. They will not examine evidence that contradicts their entrenched position. They cast their lot with a "vaccine" that we now know doesn't prevent infection, transmission, or illness. People with shame would apologize rather than double down.oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
please. if the people running that account had an ounce of respect or "caring" for those people they wouldn't callously use their deaths to further their movie. they include car accidents, people dying before the vaccines were available, people who collapsed before the vaccine (but didn't die), and then scare people by using surgery video of clot removal from before the vaccines were created. that's not caring. that's blatant disregard for the truth.
there's a group that should be ashamed here, that's for sure.
I was referencing #DiedSuddenly, the personal accounts of individuals who have "died suddenly". I'm not sure what movie you are talking about? Do you still claim "safe and effective"? What is your definition of "safe"? How about "effective"?Zobel said:RWWilson said:They don't care. They will not examine evidence that contradicts their entrenched position. They cast their lot with a "vaccine" that we now know doesn't prevent infection, transmission, or illness. People with shame would apologize rather than double down.oh no said:
That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.
please. if the people running that account had an ounce of respect or "caring" for those people they wouldn't callously use their deaths to further their movie. they include car accidents, people dying before the vaccines were available, people who collapsed before the vaccine (but didn't die), and then scare people by using surgery video of clot removal from before the vaccines were created. that's not caring. that's blatant disregard for the truth.
there's a group that should be ashamed here, that's for sure.
FYI everyone. The excess deaths that highly vaccinated countries are experiencing have nothing to do with the vaccine. Correlation does not equal causation. They are likely caused by repeated Covid infections which the vaccines did't prevent. So its really Covid causing all these deaths even though they are aren't reported as Covid deaths. Got it?
Tomorrow at 1.30pm @IndependentSage are meeting to discuss excess deaths and all the causes….#CovidIsntOver #COVID19 https://t.co/ZKY12g6Mvy
— Gina #CleanAir #WearAMask (@Saffiya_Khan1) January 26, 2023