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It's all a coincidence. Just listen to Whistle Pig and Zobel. Heart issues are falling.

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The data doesn't care about your feelings, anecdotes, or vibes. It "feels" like there's a lot more because you're searching out these stories, but didn't do it prior to 2020. This is an emotive and unreliable way to gather information.

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people are healthier than ever!

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Never said that. But heart related deaths among young people didn't increase after vaccines.

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Smudge said:

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Catching up on this thread it seems to be spiraling downward.

There are a lot of things that can be true at once here that neither "side" wants to recognize.

For the sake of this conversation I'm only referencing the US.

1. We were lied to from day one. About everything. Masks, infection rate, transmissibility, etc. No, it wasn't just because we didn't know, it's a coronavirus. And it doesn't matter what Faucis reasons for lying were, he lied. At least he did publicly admit it regarding the masks, but it ruined trust. From the onset trust was broken. Not a good start.

2. It was known early on that being infected with Covid could cause a variety of heart issues.

3. The vaccine was politicized by the left when operation Warp Speed was announced. Just about every Dem politician said they wouldn't touch the vaccine due to the risks of pushing it through the process so fast. "Trumps Vaccine." This was the first demonization of the vaccine.

4. Safe and effective (now undeniable) repurposed therapeutics were vilified and purposefully withheld from the population. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost due to this. More lies and deception further eroding trust. Doctors fired and censured for prescribing or recommending the therapeutics, even though there was plenty of independent clinical trials that the repurposed drugs worked and worked well.

5. Vaccine released with well documented, though exceedingly rare, serious side effects (basically any medicine ever).

6. Vaccine released with claims of a certain level of efficacy. 95% and a public campaign containing a promise that you wouldn't get Covid and therefore couldn't spread Covid. Everything about these claims were a lie meant to garner public trust in the vaccines because these same people, literally days prior, were publicly stating how dangerous the "Tump Vaccine" was.

7. Largest spike in our country (Dec of '21 - Mar '22) occurred well after the vaccine was well established in our population. This further eroded faith in the vaccine. It was about this time that more studies of efficacy and risk were released. This showed it wasn't very effective at preventing infection or spread, but pretty great at reducing severity of the illness. Also that the risks were slightly higher in certain demographics than previously reported.

8. Throughout this time, mandates, masking restrictions, and other preventative measures (distancing, for example) were unfairly being implemented. It was clear this was for control and not for safety due to the ridiculous policies and the fact that none of those people implementing these policies actually followed them. Obviously this further eroded trust in any measure being used to combat the pandemic.

9. There has been a well documented, though seemingly slight, rise in heart related deaths since covid began.

10. There are now doctors raising concerns that they are seeing more younger people have cardiac events.

11. Studies have been recently released showing that vaccine induced strokes/myocarditis are lower than infection induced, and both are very rare.


I'm sure Im missing a few things, but all of this can be true at once. The issue that I have is that CDC/Fauci and the like have proven to be dishonest in the intent and methodology of their trials. So it's hard to know where the funding for these studies is coming from. If CDC, NIH and the like have any paper trail approving or supplying funds for the studies in question then it is reasonable to be highly skeptical of the conclusions.

In addition, we're running out of time to actually find the answers out. At this point, it's super rare to find a true control group... Never infected and not vaccinated. Then a group never infected and recently vaxxed, and a group not vaxxed and recently infected. Then to find large enough groups in each of these categories, across all age groups, and then carry out the monitoring necessary to come to a definitive conclusion. And it needs to be independent without funding from cdc/nih/fda.

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“There was a surge of deadly heart attacks across Australia in 2022. Death by heart attack surged 17% in 2022.

What could have possibly changed from previous years? Was it the forced mandates?” https://t.co/DxCsMk1ZCs

— Dr. Anastasia Maria Loupis (@DrLoupis) January 23, 2023

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Does anyone know if there is a list of U.S. athletes who have experienced heart, blood, and circulatory issues since the vaccine rollout. Maybe nothing has changed, but in the last year and a half I recall the following NFL players having clot and heart problems and it seems much higher than should be expected for healthy young men.

Vin Curry Jets 8/21 blood clots
Graham Glasgow Broncos 9/21 Irregular heartbeat
JJ Watt Cardinals 9/22 heart arythmia
Henry Anderson Panthers 10/2022 stroke
Max Mitchell Jets 12/22 blood clots
Damar Hamlin Bills 1/23 heart attack

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Damar Hamlin" or a body double should I say, was at the game. Big pharma funded by Fauci and his chi-com handlers couldn't have the world know that their social experiment clot shot killed someone on live TV. So they paid off the NFL and the medical staff to not admit that Damar died that day. There will be some kind of cover-up soon, he'll die "mysteriously" and they'll blame it on complications from his "accident" to get the body double out of there. But Damar is dead and has been dead ever since Fauci's murder serum caused his heart to stop.

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Damar Hamlin Responds To Rumors That He Secretly Died From The COVID Vaccine
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Damar Hamlin responds to online conspiracy he's been cloned
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Bills' Damar Hamlin responds to 'clone' rumors after playoff appearance
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Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet

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Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet

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No details have been released on the cause of death.

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No details have been released on the cause of death.

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Shamwowed said:

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Thomas Herrion died in 2005…

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oh no said:

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.

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Kind of like when nurses were Tiktok dancing and hospitals were reporting everything as a covid death, right?

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Zobel said:

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What are you basing the gut feeling on? There are literally no details released about his death.

That's called hoping. You're hoping.

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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Do people actually think there was a double? Christ some people should not be able to have access to the Internet

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My guess is there are at least a few people on this board who bought that story.

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oh no said:

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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Agreed. It's tragic and pathetic that they constantly attribute deaths that have nothing to do with a vaccine (most recently the surfer who drowned after hitting their head) to the vaccine solely so they can get more exposure for their film.

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Kind of like when nurses were Tiktok dancing and hospitals were reporting everything as a covid death, right?

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Yes, a lot like that and just as sad. Glad you agree.

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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They don't care. They will not examine evidence that contradicts their entrenched position. They cast their lot with a "vaccine" that we now know doesn't prevent infection, transmission, or illness. People with shame would apologize rather than double down.

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That died suddenly Twitter account is so tragic to scroll through. Soooo many young healthy coincidences daily. I'm sure it's just confirmation bias. Has to be Baader-Meinhof. Dismiss immediately and go get some boosters, everyone.

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They don't care. They will not examine evidence that contradicts their entrenched position. They cast their lot with a "vaccine" that we now know doesn't prevent infection, transmission, or illness. People with shame would apologize rather than double down.

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please. if the people running that account had an ounce of respect or "caring" for those people they wouldn't callously use their deaths to further their movie. they include car accidents, people dying before the vaccines were available, people who collapsed before the vaccine (but didn't die), and then scare people by using surgery video of clot removal from before the vaccines were created. that's not caring. that's blatant disregard for the truth.

there's a group that should be ashamed here, that's for sure.

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Tomorrow at 1.30pm @IndependentSage are meeting to discuss excess deaths and all the causes….#CovidIsntOver #COVID19 https://t.co/ZKY12g6Mvy

— Gina #CleanAir #WearAMask (@Saffiya_Khan1) January 26, 2023