Livewire82 said:
That's pretty damning if the data wasn't cherry picked and/or manipulated.
Livewire82 said:
You have the list.Ragoo said:I am willing to bet none are vaccine relatedTxTarpon said:
Here is the list of post covid triathlon fatalities..
Google away dummy.
Depends. From the link I shared: However, in some athletes, the changes can make your heart look similar to how it looks when you have a form of cardiomyopathy. Because cardiomyopathy isn't harmless, your provider needs to know what makes athlete's heart different.Quote:
From what I understand, the term athlete's heart refers to a heart that is somewhat enlarged because of the exercise and is not a dangerous issue and does not lead to cardiac issues. However, for someone who was sedentary, the same signs would be of strong concern.
Livewire82 said:
CSTXAg92 said:Livewire82 said:
Obvious conspiraloon.
eric76 said:Athlete's heart?TxTarpon said:
I recall some basketball players:
Jason Collier
Conrad McRae
Reggie Lewis
Pete Maravich
In 1971 the NFL lost Chuck Hughes from a heart attack on the field.
They put an oxygen mask on him and transported him off the field and kept playing.
There is something called "Athlete's Heart"
Think about it.
Pheidippides supposedly uttered "NIKE", then collapsed and died after the battle of Marathon.
Those 26 miles did him in.
From what I understand, the term athlete's heart refers to a heart that is somewhat enlarged because of the exercise and is not a dangerous issue and does not lead to cardiac issues. However, for someone who was sedentary, the same signs would be of strong concern.
Some years ago, I started going to a doctor who had previously been the team doctor for an international US boxing team. At the time, I rode bicycles about 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year.
One day at his office, he did an EKG on me and the interpretation from the machine was that my heart was "abnormal". I found that to be a bit alarming and asked about it. He said that the EKG machine didn't know how much I rode the bicycle. That "abnormal" persisted for some years, but now, about 40 years later, the EKG's say it is"normal".
Data DEBOONKED!J. Walter Weatherman said:CSTXAg92 said:Livewire82 said:
Obvious conspiraloon.
I mean, yes. But she's also being sued by the anti Covid vax nonprofit she founded for using nonprofit funds to buy herself a $3MM house in Florida (among other things), so apparently a scam artist too. Maybe do just a slight bit of research on the sources before sharing them.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/29/anti-covid-vaccine-group-sues-rogue-founder-simone-gold/69677958007/
Zobel said:yesQuote:
Are there studies showing that Covid is equally or more likely to cause myocarditis in young healthy people than the vaccine itself? Until then, I'm not really listening. It shouldn't be difficult for the science/medical community to come to a consensus...but that would assume that they were largely honest bodies with no agenda one way or the other.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475
that being said it is noteworthy that the error bars overlap, even if the point estimates are ~8x apart. i think the takeaway is that myocarditis is not very common from either.
Quote:
Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in Clalit Health Services members in Israel between March 2020 and January 2021. Inpatient myocarditis and pericarditis diagnoses were retrieved from day 10 after positive PCR. Follow-up was censored on 28 February 2021, with minimum observation of 18 days. The control cohort of 590,976 adults with at least one negative PCR and no positive PCR were age- and sex-matched. Since the Israeli vaccination program was initiated on 20 December 2020, the time-period matching of the control cohort was calculated backward from 15 December 2020. Nine post-COVID-19 patients developed myocarditis (0.0046%), and eleven patients were diagnosed with pericarditis (0.0056%). In the control cohort, 27 patients had myocarditis (0.0046%) and 52 had pericarditis (0.0088%). Age (adjusted hazard ratio [aHR] 0.96, 95% confidence interval [CI]; 0.93 to 1.00) and male sex (aHR 4.42; 95% CI, 1.64 to 11.96) were associated with myocarditis. Male sex (aHR 1.93; 95% CI 1.09 to 3.41) and peripheral vascular disease (aHR 4.20; 95% CI 1.50 to 11.72) were associated with pericarditis. Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.
aggiehawg said:
Any docs here care to comment or clarify? I have no idea.
UPDATE: The fact the Damar Hamlin re-coded, ie. again experienced cardiac arrest hours later at the hospital, almost completely rules out commotio cardis. There is a structural issue here that is not present in cases of commotio cardis. It's simple; CC is even MORE unlikely now.
— Dr. Iver โ (@Doctor_Iver) January 3, 2023
Quote:
A Google search of the words "football player commotio cordis" between the years 1970 and 2022 yielded ONE 2011 report of a junior varsity football player in Massachusetts who suffered from commotio cordis.
So far, I have been unable to find any documented cases that have occurred in the NFL. (Perhaps our readers can find some cases and share them with us).
This suggests that the age of NFL players and the protective padding over their hearts result in a lower incidence of commotio cordis than the incidence documented in sports such as baseball, in which players' chests are exposed to a projectile.
In the final analysis, only a thorough physical examination of Damar Hamlin's heart can determine what caused his sudden collapse. As Dr. McCullough stated in his initial assessment last night:
If Damar Hamlin indeed took one of the COVID-19 vaccines, then subclinical vaccine-induced myocarditis must be considered in the differential diagnosis.
1 in 5,000 young men have heart issues from COVID vax.
— Liz Wheeler (@Liz_Wheeler) January 3, 2023
Yearly commotia cordis cases? ~15. (RARELY over age 20).
1,598 athlete cardiac arrests since Jan 2021. 69% fatal.
(Average athlete cardiacs before vax was 29/yr).
โScienceโ ignores this.
Thatโs why people ask questions.
Whoa there. Big gov and big pharma worshipping npc bots are programmed to be triggered by this suggestion.Nanomachines son said:
subclinical vaccine-induced myocarditis must be considered in the differential diagnosis.
That does not make the information incorrect, nice try though.J. Walter Weatherman said:CSTXAg92 said:Livewire82 said:
Obvious conspiraloon.
I mean, yes. But she's also being sued by the anti Covid vax nonprofit she founded for using nonprofit funds to buy herself a $3MM house in Florida (among other things), so apparently a scam artist too. Maybe do just a slight bit of research on the sources before sharing them.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/29/anti-covid-vaccine-group-sues-rogue-founder-simone-gold/69677958007/
Also, the data she is posting is from a noted cardiologist. You tried.J. Walter Weatherman said:CSTXAg92 said:Livewire82 said:
Obvious conspiraloon.
I mean, yes. But she's also being sued by the anti Covid vax nonprofit she founded for using nonprofit funds to buy herself a $3MM house in Florida (among other things), so apparently a scam artist too. Maybe do just a slight bit of research on the sources before sharing them.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/29/anti-covid-vaccine-group-sues-rogue-founder-simone-gold/69677958007/
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samurai_science said:That does not make the information incorrect, nice try though.J. Walter Weatherman said:CSTXAg92 said:Livewire82 said:
Obvious conspiraloon.
I mean, yes. But she's also being sued by the anti Covid vax nonprofit she founded for using nonprofit funds to buy herself a $3MM house in Florida (among other things), so apparently a scam artist too. Maybe do just a slight bit of research on the sources before sharing them.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/29/anti-covid-vaccine-group-sues-rogue-founder-simone-gold/69677958007/
Zobel said:
"beware the man of one study". one study does not equal "the data".
here are some other studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8898072/
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/14/12/2791
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002914922008542
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8422872/
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3837266
here is a meta analysis on the subject that uses 22 studies. they found a 7x multiplier between vaccine risk and covid risk of myocarditis.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2022.951314/full
All data is cherry picked and manipulated.combat wombat said:Livewire82 said:
That's pretty damning if the data wasn't cherry picked and/or manipulated.
Probably because these are usually healthy individuals.Whistle Pig said:Quote:
American College of Cardiology
Sports Participation and Sudden Cardiac Arrest
Jun 28, 2016Quote:
In the United States, there are approximately 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths (SCD) during competitive sports each year. The estimated incidence of SCD among athletes versus non-athletes was found to be 0.44 per 100,000 person-years, and 13 per 100,000 person-years, respectively. Despite the higher risk of SCD in the general non-athlete population, SCD among athletes garners intense scrutiny by the media and represents an emotionally charged medical topic.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2016/06/28/07/06/sports-participation-and-sudden-cardiac-arrest
There can be other reasons for this.Livewire82 said:
Thanks,Zobel said:
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/
ask and ye shall receive. this is the source cited.
considering most areTxTarpon said:You have the list.Ragoo said:I am willing to bet none are vaccine relatedTxTarpon said:
Here is the list of post covid triathlon fatalities..
Google away dummy.
Hit it internet detective.
It was a Trek 1000.TxTarpon said:Depends. From the link I shared: However, in some athletes, the changes can make your heart look similar to how it looks when you have a form of cardiomyopathy. Because cardiomyopathy isn't harmless, your provider needs to know what makes athlete's heart different.Quote:
From what I understand, the term athlete's heart refers to a heart that is somewhat enlarged because of the exercise and is not a dangerous issue and does not lead to cardiac issues. However, for someone who was sedentary, the same signs would be of strong concern.
You were riding many miles.
What kind of bike did you have?
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