Running List of Professional Athletes w/ Heart Problems?

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LMCane said:

oh no said:

As long as everyone keeps ignoring all who die suddenly and no studies are called for, we can just move along and assume it's just baader meinhof.
I don't get the reference to Baader Meinhof
"Frequency bias". The vaccine zealots are trying to gaslight us into believing we are just stupid and/or crazy for thinking there has been an uptick in cardiac events among the young and healthy population. And that if there has, that it could be related to the vacci....sorry, rushed, experimental therapeutic MRNA treatment in any way.

They completely ignore their horrendous, laughably inaccurate track record throughout all of this.
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Go on F84 and search for "horse paste".

Dont pretend like this never happened.
Dimebag Darrell
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BadMoonRisin said:

Go on F84 and search for "horse paste".

Dont pretend like this never happened.
But, but, their lord and savior big government said:

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LMCane said:

oh no said:

As long as everyone keeps ignoring all who die suddenly and no studies are called for, we can just move along and assume it's just baader meinhof.
I don't get the reference to Baader Meinhof
also called the frequency illusion. it's a cognitive bias (or rather combination of selective attention and confirmation bias) in which after noticing something for the first time, there's a tendency to notice it more often. this leads the person to believe that thing is occurring more frequently, regardless if it's true.

this thread in its totality is actually a good example of it.
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Old McDonald said:

LMCane said:

oh no said:

As long as everyone keeps ignoring all who die suddenly and no studies are called for, we can just move along and assume it's just baader meinhof.
I don't get the reference to Baader Meinhof
also called the frequency illusion. it's a cognitive bias (or rather combination of selective attention and confirmation bias) in which after noticing something for the first time, there's a tendency to notice it more often. this leads the person to believe that thing is occurring more frequently, regardless if it's true.

this thread in its totality is actually a good example of it.
The left are absolute masters of it. "OMG I can't even feel safe taking my kid to school without fearing they will get shot up, there's been like 3,286 mass shootings this year alone, we have to ban these fully semi-automatic assault rifle 15's!"...."Cops are hunting down black men left and right for doing nothing wrong, this has to stop, we have to post black squares yall!".

Could go on and f-ing on. You should be the last to cast any stones. We have insurance actuaries and a ton of evidence on our side.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Go on F84 and search for "horse paste".

Dont pretend like this never happened.


I'm referring to those on this thread. The post seems to equate someone saying "there is no evidence that vaccines are causing people to drop dead randomly" to them also saying "take the vaccine or lose your job." Just trying to figure out where that leap is coming from.
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Ok. Time to move along. Nothing to see here. Do not do a study. Get boosted.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Go on F84 and search for "horse paste".

Dont pretend like this never happened.


I'm referring to those on this thread. The post seems to equate someone saying "there is no evidence that vaccines are causing people to drop dead randomly" to them also saying "take the vaccine or lose your job." Just trying to figure out where that leap is coming from.
There is a heavy correlation. People who think the vaccine is absolutely not causing myocarditis or any other cardiac/stroke issues in young healthy people tend to be democrats, with a faithful devotion to the vaccines. And per polling, almost all democrats supported the mandates, and even some conservatives.
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No, STV is TeslaAg.
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Brittmoore Car Club said:

The left are absolute masters of it. "OMG I can't even feel safe taking my kid to school without fearing they will get shot up, there's been like 3,286 mass shootings this year alone, we have to ban these fully semi-automatic assault rifle 15's!"...."Cops are hunting down black men left and right for doing nothing wrong, this has to stop, we have to post black squares yall!".

Could go on and f-ing on. You should be the last to cast any stones. We have insurance actuaries and a ton of evidence on our side.
this is why it's generally better to go off available data rather than what you see on tv, your favorite news site, or your social media timeline. all of those are prone to sensationalism and exploiting this bias to push agendas.
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April 2021 was an age of innocence. But hey, the vaccinated were fully informed.

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Go on F84 and search for "horse paste".

Dont pretend like this never happened.


I'm referring to those on this thread. The post seems to equate someone saying "there is no evidence that vaccines are causing people to drop dead randomly" to them also saying "take the vaccine or lose your job." Just trying to figure out where that leap is coming from.
There is a heavy correlation. People who think the vaccine is absolutely not causing myocarditis or any other cardiac/stroke issues in young healthy people tend to be democrats, with a faithful devotion to the vaccines. And per polling, almost all democrats supported the mandates, and even some conservatives.


Ok. I'm referring to those on this thread, who have said repeatedly that they didn't favor any kind of mandate or forced vaccination yet that's still a recurring theme from people like Rockdoc, Geoag and others. Just trying to figure out why that is.
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oh no said:



Ok. Time to move along. Nothing to see here. Do not do a study. Get boosted.


Everything causes strokes and heart attacks except the covid vaccine
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Kaufman Institute for Coincidence, on YouTube in case some don't have Twitter

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Brittmoore Car Club said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Go on F84 and search for "horse paste".

Dont pretend like this never happened.


I'm referring to those on this thread. The post seems to equate someone saying "there is no evidence that vaccines are causing people to drop dead randomly" to them also saying "take the vaccine or lose your job." Just trying to figure out where that leap is coming from.
There is a heavy correlation. People who think the vaccine is absolutely not causing myocarditis or any other cardiac/stroke issues in young healthy people tend to be democrats, with a faithful devotion to the vaccines. And per polling, almost all democrats supported the mandates, and even some conservatives.


Ok. I'm referring to those on this thread, who have said repeatedly that they didn't favor any kind of mandate or forced vaccination yet that's still a recurring theme from people like Rockdoc, Geoag and others. Just trying to figure out why that is.
I hear you, although I do not believe some these people, personally. It's like democrats that say they are not anti-2A. I simply don't ever believe them, and it has never served me wrong.

The politicians lied, Fauci lied, the CDC lied, the FDA lied, the WHO lied...bet your ass that their useful idiot vaccine zealots lie for the cause.

The entire pro-vax camp is built on a foundation of lies and wreaks of agenda. The other side may not always be right, but they are trying to get answers and do not have corrupt motivations or intentions. We're not trying to tell others what to do, we simply don't want to be told what to do.
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opinion on the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine is a pretty bad litmus test. mandates i can see, but i dont support mandates anyway. if you are a conservative, you and i probably agree on every major political and social dividing line (pro life, pro 2a, don't believe in anthropogenic climate change, smaller govt, lower taxes, reduced subsidies, etc etc). to be honest i'm probably to the right of you politically, economically, and theologically.

the great failure of leadership during this pandemic is that things that should be relatively objective have fallen on partisan lines. you shouldn't be able to predict someone's opinion on whether or not a medicine works based on their political affiliation. it's a symptom of a larger problem in our society.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Not going to diginify such a post with a real response.



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You can preach and deflect all you want, but I'd say it's obvious the vaccine is dangerous. Better off with the bug.
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Zobel said:

opinion on the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine is a pretty bad litmus test. mandates i can see, but i dont support mandates anyway. if you are a conservative, you and i probably agree on every major political and social dividing line (pro life, pro 2a, don't believe in anthropogenic climate change, smaller govt, lower taxes, reduced subsidies, etc etc). to be honest i'm probably to the right of you politically, economically, and theologically.

the great failure of leadership during this pandemic is that things that should be relatively objective have fallen on partisan lines. you shouldn't be able to predict someone's opinion on whether or not a medicine works based on their political affiliation. it's a symptom of a larger problem in our society.
Well, when the authorities have been dead wrong, or lied too many times to count, since March of 2020, both when it comes to the virus and the "vaccine"...it kind of naturally builds distrust. Especially when the biggest vaccine pimps on the left (Biden, Kamala, Cuomo etc etc) were trying to scare us us away from the "vaccine" and saying they would not trust it, for political reasons, just months before mandating it on us and trying to turn their weaponized useful idiot hordes against us. The hate and scorn I received from several peers for not blindly trusting and getting the "vax" and the hate I witnessed at large (night show comedians wishing horrific deaths on the unvaxxed etc) woke me the F up.

I'll take my chances with my immune system and my EARNED healthy distrust of the "vaccine" pimps and worshipers. I hope you are right and that it does not cause myocarditis, other vascular issues, or compromised immune systems in some people. Pretty much my whole family took it, so i hope to God it is totally safe, as you, and the people who have lied to us constantly for several years, say it is. Weird that big pharma wanted 75 years to release valuable info though. Kind of a red flag to me, but maybe that is standard practice with such vacci...sorry, therapeutics?

I am only about halfway through, but if you have even somewhat of an open mind, I would challenge you to try to watch at least a chunk of this Rogan interview in your spare time. This is a lefty scientist (evolutionary biologist) who was pro "vaccine" but now has concerns and shares the scientific basis for them. We are in uncharted territory as this was a man altered virus designed to do things a normal natural virus would not. And we don't have the slightest clue what we are doing against it. He is not an "anti-vaxxer" and does not have political motivations. And he is not a fear-monger...but I wish people on both sides of the "vaccine" debate would listen to this.


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geoag58 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Not going to diginify such a post with a real response.






Cool, so you just made it up.
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i'm genuinely confused as to how you've been in this conversation this long, and think that i'm saying it doesn't cause myocarditis. literally a few posts up shared three papers talking about vaccine induced myocarditis.

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Weird that big pharma wanted 75 years to release valuable info though
this is the kind of thing that is frustrating about these discussions. things like this spread like crazy through twitter, and they're compelling stories if you glance at them... but they're not always true.

there was a blanket freedom of information request / lawsuit submitted to the FDA for all docs related to the vaccine (some 300,000 pages), the FDA said we have limited capacity to redact intellectual property info, here's how many pages we can do per day, we can do urgent pages by Jan but then we'll be limited to 500 pages per month, be more specific with your request. the lawyer for the FOIA request said at that rate it will take 75 years.. kind of typical lawyer hyperbole.

is this a big coverup? is it particular to the vaccine? no. the FOIA office the FDA is just slow, in general. partly because it's the government and the government generally sucks at anything, but partly because they're constantly answering FOIA requests because companies use it as a form of intellectual property farming and they seem to err on the side of not divulging intellectual property. this means they manually read and redact intellectual property, page by page. that doesnt excuse the delay. it does show how the FDA kinda sucks, and is behind other agencies like the EMA. but it also isn't evidence of a big pharma coverup.

the above is the perfect example of brandolini's law - "the amount of energy needed to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."

so, you said something about having an open mind. does that info change your perception of the "75 years" talking point from that lawyer?
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Rockdoc said:

You can preach and deflect all you want, but I'd say it's obvious the vaccine is dangerous. Better off with the bug.


I am hearing there are experts that believe the way we attempted to control china-fraudci virus was the exact wrong way.

Vaccinating with a proven vaccine before is ok because the new pathogen never gets a foothold. Vaccinating during is bad because the unknown new pathogen is constantly mutating. And since we are talking about a genetically modified pathogen what may happen are a great big fat unknown. The correct way to have handled this pandemic, because of the timing, was therapeutics and allow doctors to figure out what works best and be able to communicate information without fear of being cancelled and leave the dimtard machinations out of the pursuit.

Dimtards and fraudci have blood on their hands as fraudci should have known better and dimtards because they couldn't resist never letting a crisis go to waste.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Are you freaking kidding??

Yes mom, there are dumb questions.
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He thinks he caught him lying because no one said this in this thread.
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Can't find that on their Twitter page. Looks like an edited version of this tweet.

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BadMoonRisin said:



Ok, so now the recent attack on gas stoves is tied to Covid?

I get that you're trying to say that obviously this article is trying to hide that in fact it must be the vaccine that is causing the 47.3% increased risk, not gas stoves. I mean, why else would it link it to 2020?

Don't you think gas stove usage probably did escalate quite a bit in 2020 as people were forced to stay home and cook? The attack on gas appliances is stupid, so is trying to tie everything to the vaccine.
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Smudge said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Are you freaking kidding??

Yes mom, there are dumb questions.


Still trying to find a link to anyone on this thread saying any of the bolded statements.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Smudge said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Are you freaking kidding??

Yes mom, there are dumb questions.


Still trying to find a link to anyone on this thread saying any of the bolded statements.


Ok, maybe they didn't say it on this thread.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Smudge said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Are you freaking kidding??

Yes mom, there are dumb questions.


Still trying to find a link to anyone on this thread saying any of the bolded statements.


Or you're asking that they go dig up two+ year old statements from somewhere? You crazy.
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Smudge said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Smudge said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

geoag58 said:

Isn't it funny that the same people that said therapeutics don't work, the non- vaxxed are killing us, take the jab or lose your job are the same ones now saying just because there is data showing increases in vaccine related problems, nothing to see here?


Link to anyone on here saying this?


Are you freaking kidding??

Yes mom, there are dumb questions.


Still trying to find a link to anyone on this thread saying any of the bolded statements.


Or you're asking that they go dig up two+ year old statements from somewhere? You crazy.


I would say if people are going to refuse to actually debate and instead accuse someone of being a vax mandate supporting super liberal just because they point out that there's no data supporting that vaccines are killing people, you might want to have just a tiny bit of evidence of that. Or else it may seem like a white flag from someone who doesn't want to actually debate the issue.
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KOB is in Albuquerque.

That's such an incredible news related item it says a hell of a lot why NM has been blue for the last 30 years.
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Catching up on this thread it seems to be spiraling downward.

There are a lot of things that can be true at once here that neither "side" wants to recognize.

For the sake of this conversation I'm only referencing the US.

1. We were lied to from day one. About everything. Masks, infection rate, transmissibility, etc. No, it wasn't just because we didn't know, it's a coronavirus. And it doesn't matter what Faucis reasons for lying were, he lied. At least he did publicly admit it regarding the masks, but it ruined trust. From the onset trust was broken. Not a good start.

2. It was known early on that being infected with Covid could cause a variety of heart issues.

3. The vaccine was politicized by the left when operation Warp Speed was announced. Just about every Dem politician said they wouldn't touch the vaccine due to the risks of pushing it through the process so fast. "Trumps Vaccine." This was the first demonization of the vaccine.

4. Safe and effective (now undeniable) repurposed therapeutics were vilified and purposefully withheld from the population. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost due to this. More lies and deception further eroding trust. Doctors fired and censured for prescribing or recommending the therapeutics, even though there was plenty of independent clinical trials that the repurposed drugs worked and worked well.

5. Vaccine released with well documented, though exceedingly rare, serious side effects (basically any medicine ever).

6. Vaccine released with claims of a certain level of efficacy. 95% and a public campaign containing a promise that you wouldn't get Covid and therefore couldn't spread Covid. Everything about these claims were a lie meant to garner public trust in the vaccines because these same people, literally days prior, were publicly stating how dangerous the "Tump Vaccine" was.

7. Largest spike in our country (Dec of '21 - Mar '22) occurred well after the vaccine was well established in our population. This further eroded faith in the vaccine. It was about this time that more studies of efficacy and risk were released. This showed it wasn't very effective at preventing infection or spread, but pretty great at reducing severity of the illness. Also that the risks were slightly higher in certain demographics than previously reported.

8. Throughout this time, mandates, masking restrictions, and other preventative measures (distancing, for example) were unfairly being implemented. It was clear this was for control and not for safety due to the ridiculous policies and the fact that none of those people implementing these policies actually followed them. Obviously this further eroded trust in any measure being used to combat the pandemic.

9. There has been a well documented, though seemingly slight, rise in heart related deaths since covid began.

10. There are now doctors raising concerns that they are seeing more younger people have cardiac events.

11. Studies have been recently released showing that vaccine induced strokes/myocarditis are lower than infection induced, and both are very rare.


I'm sure Im missing a few things, but all of this can be true at once. The issue that I have is that CDC/Fauci and the like have proven to be dishonest in the intent and methodology of their trials. So it's hard to know where the funding for these studies is coming from. If CDC, NIH and the like have any paper trail approving or supplying funds for the studies in question then it is reasonable to be highly skeptical of the conclusions.

In addition, we're running out of time to actually find the answers out. At this point, it's super rare to find a true control group... Never infected and not vaccinated. Then a group never infected and recently vaxxed, and a group not vaxxed and recently infected. Then to find large enough groups in each of these categories, across all age groups, and then carry out the monitoring necessary to come to a definitive conclusion. And it needs to be independent without funding from cdc/nih/fda.
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