Catching up on this thread it seems to be spiraling downward.
There are a lot of things that can be true at once here that neither "side" wants to recognize.
For the sake of this conversation I'm only referencing the US.
1. We were lied to from day one. About everything. Masks, infection rate, transmissibility, etc. No, it wasn't just because we didn't know, it's a coronavirus. And it doesn't matter what Faucis reasons for lying were, he lied. At least he did publicly admit it regarding the masks, but it ruined trust. From the onset trust was broken. Not a good start.
2. It was known early on that being infected with Covid could cause a variety of heart issues.
3. The vaccine was politicized by the left when operation Warp Speed was announced. Just about every Dem politician said they wouldn't touch the vaccine due to the risks of pushing it through the process so fast. "Trumps Vaccine." This was the first demonization of the vaccine.
4. Safe and effective (now undeniable) repurposed therapeutics were vilified and purposefully withheld from the population. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost due to this. More lies and deception further eroding trust. Doctors fired and censured for prescribing or recommending the therapeutics, even though there was plenty of independent clinical trials that the repurposed drugs worked and worked well.
5. Vaccine released with well documented, though exceedingly rare, serious side effects (basically any medicine ever).
6. Vaccine released with claims of a certain level of efficacy. 95% and a public campaign containing a promise that you wouldn't get Covid and therefore couldn't spread Covid. Everything about these claims were a lie meant to garner public trust in the vaccines because these same people, literally days prior, were publicly stating how dangerous the "Tump Vaccine" was.
7. Largest spike in our country (Dec of '21 - Mar '22) occurred well after the vaccine was well established in our population. This further eroded faith in the vaccine. It was about this time that more studies of efficacy and risk were released. This showed it wasn't very effective at preventing infection or spread, but pretty great at reducing severity of the illness. Also that the risks were slightly higher in certain demographics than previously reported.
8. Throughout this time, mandates, masking restrictions, and other preventative measures (distancing, for example) were unfairly being implemented. It was clear this was for control and not for safety due to the ridiculous policies and the fact that none of those people implementing these policies actually followed them. Obviously this further eroded trust in any measure being used to combat the pandemic.
9. There has been a well documented, though seemingly slight, rise in heart related deaths since covid began.
10. There are now doctors raising concerns that they are seeing more younger people have cardiac events.
11. Studies have been recently released showing that vaccine induced strokes/myocarditis are lower than infection induced, and both are very rare.
I'm sure Im missing a few things, but all of this can be true at once. The issue that I have is that CDC/Fauci and the like have proven to be dishonest in the intent and methodology of their trials. So it's hard to know where the funding for these studies is coming from. If CDC, NIH and the like have any paper trail approving or supplying funds for the studies in question then it is reasonable to be highly skeptical of the conclusions.
In addition, we're running out of time to actually find the answers out. At this point, it's super rare to find a true control group... Never infected and not vaccinated. Then a group never infected and recently vaxxed, and a group not vaxxed and recently infected. Then to find large enough groups in each of these categories, across all age groups, and then carry out the monitoring necessary to come to a definitive conclusion. And it needs to be independent without funding from cdc/nih/fda.
Class of '00
Gig 'em!
