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I know, it's just my word which means diddly squat, but this person didn't want it known. I would have rather not met this reknowned person, but things are looking up.

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We are all cheering for your improved health.
Tickers can be tough to get right again.
Hopefully by this time next year you are much improved.

Here is the list of post covid triathlon fatalities..
Google away dummy.

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Here is the list of post covid triathlon fatalities..
Google away dummy.

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I am willing to bet none are vaccine related

If TexAgs added a 'Conspiraloon' board and the Politics board was only for mainstream political debates, which of those boards would have the most traffic?

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If TexAgs added a 'Conspiraloon' board and the Politics board was only for mainstream political debates, which of those boards would have the most traffic?

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They already did that with the COVID board. Politics still has more traffic.

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The covid and vaccine spike proteins increase risk of myocarditis. That is settled. Myocarditis may increase the risk of life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias caused by blunt impact to the chest, particularly in impact sports. The NFL needs to mandate full screening and prevention measures to reduce future risk considering they mandated players get the vaccine and most have had Covid.

https://academic.oup.com/ehjcr/article/5/3/ytab054/6154461

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35652390/

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Wouldn't myocarditis cause enough issues in an athlete with performance that they would be unlikely to be playing with it?

I can see maybe a professional bowler doing it, but not an NFL player.

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The conspiraloons trying to sensationalize the Bills players situation without a clue of what actually happened are truly pathetic.

I wonder what they thought about the A&M football player who died of a blood clot in 2002, or the A&M football player who died of a heart condition while warming up in 1991?

Maybe let the facts come out first, and then commence with the conspiraloon hysteria.

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Blue parachute for you.

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Perhaps we could have better discourse of the issues if terms like "conspiraloon" weren't thrown around on the regular.

It's extremely concerning when one side is shouted down by merely asking questions, which after all, criticism is the backbone of the scientific method.

But apparently we're now lauding those who paint anyone who questions this "apparent" uptick in these types of incidents as loons, who should be shunned for wrong think.

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Did you noticed that Sunray singled out only one of those events?

Trying to tie the Hamlin incident to the vax immediately after it happened, and with zero evidence that it is the vax, is what earns it a conspiraloon sticker.

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Do you know for a fact that the vax didn't contribute to it?
If so, how?

Can we not discuss this without calling people names?
Of course we can't. A lot of the same folks calling people names, were mandating vaccines for our kids.

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First of all, the OP is incorrect, it has not been reported that Hamlin had a heart attack but that he went into cardiac arrest. Two different things.

Hamlin's case may very well turn out to be a freak thing that happens on occasion when someone gets hit in the chest near the heart. It's way too early to pin that incident on the vax.

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We can no longer deny, and studies support, the contention that the vaccine increases the risk of myocarditis, particularly in young men like Hamlin. Additionally, it is perfectly reasonable, and many physicians share the concern, that myocarditis can increase the risk of arrhythmias caused by impacts to the chest. It is not conspiratorial. It is reasonable to suspect the vaccine may have contributed to the collapse. What is unreasonable is for so many people to deny the possibility with such mindless fervor.

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How well was the guy playing before he collapsed? Were there any signs of performance issues before that?

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If TexAgs added a 'Conspiraloon' board and the Politics board was only for mainstream political debates, which of those boards would have the most traffic?

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The q thread was at least nice for mostly keeping those idiots in one place.

Interesting. Ultimately not what you would think.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/half-think-covid-vax-is-deadly

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Nearly a third of the nation believes the COVID-19 vaccine has killed somebody they know, highlighting the safety concerns the public still has about the shot.

As the first family renewed their call for the country to get vaccinated, 28% of likely voters told Rasmussen Reports that they "personally know" somebody they think died from the side effects of the shot.

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What's more, 49% said that vaccine side effects have caused "unexplained deaths," one of the factors in the trending new hashtag, "#DiedSuddenly," based on the just-released documentary.

Died Suddenly has been criticized as promoting "debunked" anti-vaccine conspiracy theories but has been seen by some 15 million people.

More Democrats, by a 33%-26% margin, believe the shot has been lethal.

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"Debunked" hasn't really meant debunked in a LONG time in this country.

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Does anyone know if there is a list of U.S. athletes who have experienced heart, blood, and circulatory issues since the vaccine rollout. Maybe nothing has changed, but in the last year and a half I recall the following NFL players having clot and heart problems and it seems much higher than should be expected for healthy young men.

Vin Curry Jets 8/21 blood clots
Graham Glasgow Broncos 9/21 Irregular heartbeat
JJ Watt Cardinals 9/22 heart arythmia
Henry Anderson Panthers 10/2022 stroke
Max Mitchell Jets 12/22 blood clots
Damar Hamlin Bills 1/23 heart attack

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Mike Leech - Rultured ascending aorta
World Cup soccer analyst - Ruptured ascending aorta

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As long as no one risks being called a loon for even wondering if the covid vax might be attributable at all or suggests that an investigation and real study should be commenced, it's all just anecdotal. Just don't ask questions, you silly conspiraloons.

5-fold increase in sudden cardiac deaths of FIFA players in 2021 😳https://t.co/VWvJYMLIQ0 pic.twitter.com/CyYrpXNdlZ

— James Freeman (@JamesfWells) November 16, 2021

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What a conspiraloon! That's only data!!

I mean, nowhere on that graph can you see that Fauci has endorsed it, so it can't be true and must be ridiculed!!

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The conspiraloons trying to sensationalize the Bills players situation without a clue of what actually happened are truly pathetic.

I wonder what they thought about the A&M football player who died of a blood clot in 2002, or the A&M football player who died of a heart condition while warming up in 1991?

Maybe let the facts come out first, and then commence with the conspiraloon hysteria.

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Blue parachute for you.

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Perhaps we could have better discourse of the issues if terms like "conspiraloon" weren't thrown around on the regular.

It's extremely concerning when one side is shouted down by merely asking questions, which after all, criticism is the backbone of the scientific method.

But apparently we're now lauding those who paint anyone who questions this "apparent" uptick in these types of incidents as loons, who should be shunned for wrong think.

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Did you noticed that Sunray singled out only one of those events?

Trying to tie the Hamlin incident to the vax immediately after it happened, and with zero evidence that it is the vax, is what earns it a conspiraloon sticker.

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But by the same token the cause of the most recent high profile incident hasn't been determined

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The covid and vaccine spike proteins increase risk of myocarditis. That is settled. Myocarditis may increase the risk of life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias caused by blunt impact to the chest, particularly in impact sports. The NFL needs to mandate full screening and prevention measures to reduce future risk considering they mandated players get the vaccine and most have had Covid.

https://academic.oup.com/ehjcr/article/5/3/ytab054/6154461

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35652390/

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Wouldn't myocarditis cause enough issues in an athlete with performance that they would be unlikely to be playing with it?

I can see maybe a professional bowler doing it, but not an NFL player.

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My educated guess is that at certain stages the condition could be clinically silent. Even in an active athlete

I'm getting tired of these high profile incidents occurring on an increasingly frequent basis.

Perhaps we should have a vaccine safety stand-down.

Seems like the right thing to do under the circumstance.

you know ... given all that we've seen to date.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth. At the population level cardiac deaths among young men decreased as vaccine uptake increased in 2021.

Has there been an increase in heart disease deaths among young men? Yes, but the rise began in mid-2020, and it leveled off after vaccines started being administered in spring 2021 pic.twitter.com/tGYrxH7hE3

— Jeremy Horpedahl 🤷‍♂️ (@jmhorp) November 1, 2022

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Meanwhile, back on planet earth. At the population level cardiac deaths among young men decreased as vaccine uptake increased in 2021.

Has there been an increase in heart disease deaths among young men? Yes, but the rise began in mid-2020, and it leveled off after vaccines started being administered in spring 2021 pic.twitter.com/tGYrxH7hE3

— Jeremy Horpedahl 🤷‍♂️ (@jmhorp) November 1, 2022

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This talks about heart disease , not cardiac arrest.

Heart disease causes cardiac arrest.

Looks like if you are worried about your heart you want to avoid covid-19 while unvaccinated.

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Heart disease causes cardiac arrest.

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No I don't think so.

Roughly speaking Heart disease is clogging of arteries often due to bad lifestyle that results in heart attacks because of blockage

Otoh , Cardiac arrest is usually a rhythm disorder like a ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation. And it can occur in otherwise healthy people like high school athletes.

But I'm not a cardiologist and I didn't stay at a holiday inn either.

A rhythm disorder can cause cardiac arrest can't it? There are many types of heart disease. The term "heart condition" is probably better used here.

What we don't see in the population data is an increased number of cardiac deaths in young men after mass vaccination. In fact we see a drop.

Should there be a conspiraloon tag?

You know, Like an ag tag but for consiparloons.

We've got the Swiss flag looking medical professional tag.

Why not a conspiraloon tag?

Call these people out. Make them come up and sit in front of the class where folks can keep an eye on them.

What's the harm in that?

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A rhythm disorder can cause cardiac arrest can't it? There are many types of heart disease. The term "heart condition" is probably better used here.

What we don't see in the population data is an increased number of cardiac deaths in young men after mass vaccination. In fact we see a drop.

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The graph shows heart disease deaths
This is different from cardiac arrest caused by rythhm disorders

Heart disease is plumbing ( graph you posted)
The issues alleged with vaccines are electrical. Myocarditis (for example) inflames the heart muscle causing electrical disturbances. So it's apples vs oranges ( even though it's good news)

This chart shows "sudden cardiac death" specifically.

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The covid and vaccine spike proteins increase risk of myocarditis. That is settled. Myocarditis may increase the risk of life-threatening ventricular arrhythmias caused by blunt impact to the chest, particularly in impact sports. The NFL needs to mandate full screening and prevention measures to reduce future risk considering they mandated players get the vaccine and most have had Covid.

https://academic.oup.com/ehjcr/article/5/3/ytab054/6154461

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35652390/

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Wouldn't myocarditis cause enough issues in an athlete with performance that they would be unlikely to be playing with it?

I can see maybe a professional bowler doing it, but not an NFL player.

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My educated guess is that at certain stages the condition could be clinically silent. Even in an active athlete

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In any event, it is silly to jump to the conclusion that it must be myocarditis in this case and even sillier to jump to the conclusion that it was due to the covid vaccine.

What percent of people suffering from myocarditis have no symptoms? Assuming that he had no symptoms of myocarditis and his performance on the field was normal up until the time he collapsed, the speculations we are seeing here are even crazier.

We should always remember that probabilities are multiplicative, not additive. Of course, conspiracy theorists would never understand that.

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Heart disease causes cardiac arrest.

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No I don't think so.

Roughly speaking Heart disease is clogging of arteries often due to bad lifestyle that results in heart attacks because of blockage

Otoh , Cardiac arrest is usually a rhythm disorder like a ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation. And it can occur in otherwise healthy people like high school athletes.

But I'm not a cardiologist and I didn't stay at a holiday inn either.

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Some years ago, a friend of mine told me that the heart is kind of like a house in that heart problems tend to fall into the same categories: structural, electrical, and plumbing.

I think that any issues in any category can be termed to be cardiovascular disease (i.e. heart disease) which is more of a catch-all term.

On the other hand, the term coronary artery disease would be limited, I think, to clogging of the arteries and would not include disturbances in the rhythm that result from conduction disturbances.

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Sports Participation and Sudden Cardiac Arrest
Jun 28, 2016

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In the United States, there are approximately 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths (SCD) during competitive sports each year. The estimated incidence of SCD among athletes versus non-athletes was found to be 0.44 per 100,000 person-years, and 13 per 100,000 person-years, respectively. Despite the higher risk of SCD in the general non-athlete population, SCD among athletes garners intense scrutiny by the media and represents an emotionally charged medical topic.

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https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2016/06/28/07/06/sports-participation-and-sudden-cardiac-arrest

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I recall some basketball players:
Jason Collier
Conrad McRae
Reggie Lewis
Pete Maravich

In 1971 the NFL lost Chuck Hughes from a heart attack on the field.
They put an oxygen mask on him and transported him off the field and kept playing.


There is something called "Athlete's Heart"
Think about it.
Pheidippides supposedly uttered "NIKE", then collapsed and died after the battle of Marathon.
Those 26 miles did him in.

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Athlete's heart?

From what I understand, the term athlete's heart refers to a heart that is somewhat enlarged because of the exercise and is not a dangerous issue and does not lead to cardiac issues. However, for someone who was sedentary, the same signs would be of strong concern.

Some years ago, I started going to a doctor who had previously been the team doctor for an international US boxing team. At the time, I rode bicycles about 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year.

One day at his office, he did an EKG on me and the interpretation from the machine was that my heart was "abnormal". I found that to be a bit alarming and asked about it. He said that the EKG machine didn't know how much I rode the bicycle. That "abnormal" persisted for some years, but now, about 40 years later, the EKG's say it is"normal".

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If TexAgs added a 'Conspiraloon' board and the Politics board was only for mainstream political debates, which of those boards would have the most traffic?

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Since 2016 its the Conspiraloon board going away.

Has there been an increase in the number of Non At Tag members on this site that are science denying trolls to this site?

Yes 1000 % since this all started .. we need to start a thread identifying the non At Tag science denying people .. so the rest of us know who they are….

There are some good non At Tag members don't get me wrong .. but I'm talking about the accounts that show up and post 95-% plus of their post on Covid related threads and are the science denying fools

These trolls need to stick to F84, a site made for them instead of wandering over here

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the link in that tweet.. wow.

https://airtable.com/shrbaT4x8LG8EbvVG/tbl7xKsSUIOPAa7Mx

that many dead or collapsing on field athletes.. those are all sure to be a anecdotal coincidences. I can't believe conspiraloons were allowed to put all that together in one link.

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I think what is important to remember is the combination of these perfectly healthy athletes collapsing on the field with various and seemingly increasing incidents of heart disease, in combination with the #unexpected / sudden death video that is circulating on the internet. The video is important, because you have numerous morticians stepping forward, some with 30+ years of experience stating that for the first time in their careers they are unable to get the embalming fluid to flow through the deceased body because of massive blood clots found in the bodies. These people have been morticians for decades, and have embalmed thousands of bodies, and now all of a sudden at the time of Covid-19 and the new mRNA vaccines, this is occurring in dead bodies. So, something they've never seen, and now they are seeing frequently in bodies of folks that have died in 2020, 2021 and 2022, makes you wonder what Covid-19 and/or the mRNA vaccines are doing to our bodies?

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So people are just walking around with all these blood clots all over their bodies, or do they instantaneously form at death?

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the link in that tweet.. wow.

https://airtable.com/shrbaT4x8LG8EbvVG/tbl7xKsSUIOPAa7Mx

that many dead or collapsing on field athletes.. those are all sure to be a anecdotal coincidences. I can't believe conspiraloons were allowed to put all that together in one link.

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I think what is important to remember is the combination of these perfectly healthy athletes collapsing on the field with various and seemingly increasing incidents of heart disease, in combination with the #unexpected / sudden death video that is circulating on the internet. The video is important, because you have numerous morticians stepping forward, some with 30+ years of experience stating that for the first time in their careers they are unable to get the embalming fluid to flow through the deceased body because of massive blood clots found in the bodies. These people have been morticians for decades, and have embalmed thousands of bodies, and now all of a sudden at the time of Covid-19 and the new mRNA vaccines, this is occurring in dead bodies. So, something they've never seen, and now they are seeing frequently in bodies of folks that have died in 2020, 2021 and 2022, makes you wonder what Covid-19 and/or the mRNA vaccines are doing to our bodies?

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So people are just walking around with all these blood clots all over their bodies, or do they instantaneously form at death?

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Morticians are seeing blood clots like they have never seen before .. long stringer type clots that are more like growths in your arteries, they don't necessarily cause blockage right away because they allow blood flow but then they eventually plug up…. There are videos out there showing this, there is no denying this is not happening because it is.. if these clots are in someone's veins they will find it at death because the morticians can't pump the normal embalming fluids through
The body (the clots block the fluid flow) … remember the clots take time to form and don't necessarily block blood flow for a while.. picture a string in a straw .. the Dr Pepper will still flow through a straw with a string in it until the string bunches up

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Let's just say that data is true. That could also come from the COVID virus itself which is known to cause myocarditis. I mean you guys have absolutely no clue what the vaccination status of the athletes in question even is, but you're acting like you are stating facts. I just find it ironic that this board was downplaying the risk of myocarditis before the vaccine and now that the vaccine has a small risk of myocarditis, a lot of y'all are talking about how terrible it is.

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3339079

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Being intimately involved with big insurance policies across industries for years, it's not a debate that the medical industry, as a whole, is completely controlled by pharma. Medicine simply does what pharma says. So it's not surprising to see doctors toe pharma's line. It's literally their life blood. They have to. Don't blame them from a psychological level. They got into the profession with great intentions, but the reality of the industry doesn't align. What are they to do? Simply bail? Well, yes, but that's easier said than done. Know many wonderful doctors who have chosen the different sides of that coin.

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Prescription drugs make up 11.5% of the healthcare dollar. Pharma isn't running medical care. Physician services and hospital costs make up over 61% of a healthcare dollar, according to the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/topics/health-care-expenditures.htm

So why are costs so high?

Being intimately involved in helping patient get access to medicines for years, I find it laughable that you claim pharma runs medicine. Doctors don't have complete choice of what they prescribe to patients because insurance companies decide what can and cannot be written. When a doctor decides a medicine is best for a patient, they're beholden to what the insurance company actually decides to cover. What happens when a doctor fights to get an appropriate treatment for the patient? They have to send countless evidence to the insurance company so a $15/hour employee can approve or deny it.

Why does it cost so much for an ibuprofen at the hospital? Because hospitals are chasing reimbursement from insurance. Why do physician offices charge so much for their services? Because they're chasing the insurance reimbursement. Every patient should look at the EOBs sent from their insurance company and ask, Why is my doctor or hospital charging so much money? They aren't being reimbursed for what they charge but they bill out the way they do to chase the dollars that private citizens and employers pay insurance companies.

I believe in insurance and understand the cost savings we could see by pooling risk, but the power insurance companies hold on the patient-physician relationship and on healthcare as a whole is immense. Just blaming pharma is as the bad guy plays well on message boards and in the media but it just simply isn't true when you look at data.