They are *******s at best. And that is assuming that you agree with their claims. Opening all that up is a very slippery slope.


Alyn Velaryon hasn't given any direct Targaryen link has he? Ulf talked a big game at the bar for free drinks but did he look very confident about that genetic link being true in the dragon pit to you?

Whether they're actually Targaryan only matters for us as viewers, everyone in-world is going to think they are because they think they are and there's no way to prove they're not.

Except, at least by my understanding, when a Targaryen royal is born, every body on the continent knows about it. So if all of a sudden Ulf "Targaryen" shows up, the people would probably all say "wtf, where did he come from?"

The only hint we have about Alyn is that Corlyss told him that the Velaryon's have no Targ blood, and he didn't really know anything about the mother. So we don't know if the mother was a nobody, or had Targ blood...but that probably doesn't matter b/c Alyn at least shares some blood with his uncle, Lor-somebody. The dragon likely just went off that?

But the people that died also back up the idea that Targaryan blood is special. Not just everyone with any drop of Targaryan blood can claim any dragon. And there probably were some pretenders in there that got roasted. All of that backs up the bloodline is exceptional idea.

But I'm not saying you're wrong either, obviously that's what they're going for, it just didn't land with me and made him seem, yet again, like he was whining for mostly no reason. And for me it would have given it more weight for him to question her decision to grant these people, who she doesn't know at all, IMMENSE power. That has more weight than just the "we're not going to be special anymore" argument.

Especially given how important the dragons were. At the time they had no idea that Daemon was successfully raising an army. Without more dragon riders they think they're absolutely going to lose this war, what other choice was there?

Laenor has Targ blood from his mother Rhanyes (sp?). So for Alyn and Addam to have Targ blood it would need to come from their mom, right? Did they have the same mother? (Show hasn't said that I don't think, so if someone knows it probably best to not say.as it might be a spoiler)

I'm not sure what you're saying. Ulf wouldn't be the first ******* legitimized by the crown. The people would know he's not high born but they'd still believe he was a Targaryan because he can ride a dragon. So if Rhaenyra says he's a Targaryan lord then boom, he becomes one.

Several *******s were legitimized on Game of Thrones, which I know is in the future but even just the idea that the Baratheon ones MIGHT be legitimized led to murdering all kinds of babies so it seems commonplace enough practice for it to happen.

I also read the parading the dragon head scene differently. The people know they can be killed. But rather than it be a "oh they're mortal" thing it seemed more like a "oh how terrible" thing because they know there are so few of them.

I don't think the reaction was because people didn't know dragons were mortal, but because they didn't understand celebrating the death of one.

I get your point. And it is a valid point. But I'm trying to show the case that there is definitely an opposing point of view and valid reasons to be concerned.

And I could give a lot more reasons but some if would come way to close to book only stuff and I don't want to do that,

I'm also sure in the books Jace is a much more developed character that would give his points here more weight. In this show he's mostly just been whining about everything.

In the books Jace isn't more developed at all. He comes off more like you. Whatever it takes to win and that is all we really hear about him. This is the show combining other people's views into him to keep it simple.

With that I am going to stop on this topic.

I really want to root for Jace against Aemond, but they have made him such a B that it is hard.

We need to see a Targaryen training montage next season with both him and his mom proving they can use a sword.

At least Rhaenyra is a good politician. Jace successfully negotiated a Stark Eskimo funeral and crossing for them with the renowned family of backstabbers.

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I'm not sure what you're saying. Ulf wouldn't be the first ******* legitimized by the crown. The people would know he's not high born but they'd still believe he was a Targaryan because he can ride a dragon. So if Rhaenyra says he's a Targaryan lord then boom, he becomes one.

Several *******s were legitimized on Game of Thrones, which I know is in the future but even just the idea that the Baratheon ones MIGHT be legitimized led to murdering all kinds of babies so it seems commonplace enough practice for it to happen.

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I don't know the history, has there been a legitmized ******* Targaryen before the timeframe of this show? If so, was one of them also a dragon rider?

What I am saying is, if none of those things have happened previously, and the people believe only true born Targs can ride the dragons, an out of nowhere Targ no one has ever heard of is suddenly on the scene riding one, then there is the potential to raise eyebrows among the common and non-targ nobles.

What does the "comes across like you" comment even mean?

His character is all about doing whatever it takes. No indication that he cares about them being *******s. (In the books I mean)

That is what I meant.

Yeah I mean it's definitely going to raise eyebrows in some ways, and I suppose it's possible that at this point no *******s have ever been legitimized. There would definitely have to be some PR spin on it. "In our time of need the gods called on these people to fill the ranks of the dragon riders showing that we're the true heirs" type stuff.

I'm just not really buying the idea that people are going to suddenly think they can rise up and do anything when like 40 of a very specific type of people (Targaryans) tried and even then all but two of them died terrible deaths in the process.

But that's also why I didn't understand why the dragon keeper people quit. If the dragons choose these people, shouldn't they be fine with it? Don't they think the dragons are borderline gods?

I agree with you, bobinator… but I don't think Jace does.

He's maybe the worst character on this show so far, which is saying something.

He's a ****

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Yeah I mean it's definitely going to raise eyebrows in some ways, and I suppose it's possible that at this point no *******s have ever been legitimized. There would definitely have to be some PR spin on it. "In our time of need the gods called on these people to fill the ranks of the dragon riders showing that we're the true heirs" type stuff.

I'm just not really buying the idea that people are going to suddenly think they can rise up and do anything when like 40 of a very specific type of people (Targaryans) tried and even then all but two of them died terrible deaths in the process.

But that's also why I didn't understand why the dragon keeper people quit. If the dragons choose these people, shouldn't they be fine with it? Don't they think the dragons are borderline gods?

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The dragonkeepers quitting seems silly, but maybe they were just overly prideful about only serving/assisting Targaryens for generations? I could see them being self important over it maybe, scene was still kind of silly.

I think Jace's thought process and actions make sense, especially for someone that is basically just a teenager that has gone through what he has.
He's lived his whole life with people whispering about him being illegitimate, and even more recently just saying it outloud. But in his mind he always had "Well I can ride a dragon, so that helps legitimize my claim as the heir to the crown"
Now lowborn b*stards are able to ride dragons, so in his mind he is potentially losing the main claim he has to the crown if his mother were to die. Plus, moody teenager.

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This.

May be late here, but this was an entire season devoted to….buildup for another season. Almost nothing happened. Good lord

There's legit reasons for him to be whining for sure, I just wish that wasn't all he did. (Outside of what, the one scene where he decided to randomly broker a peace deal?)

Although the teenager thing is a good point that I haven't been giving enough weight to, they'll definitely whine about things even when there's no logical alternative, loll.

So, unlike Jon Snow - who also whined a little - Jace has never had to fight someone. He likely never will, either, because he rides a dragon into battles. If he was given an opportunity at some point to show whether or not he has sword skills I think it would have been better. Maybe he's the one who storms in to save his mom from twin assassin.

Does all this Targ blood needed to ride a dragon mean that the night king was targ before the spell that created him?

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So, unlike Jon Snow - who also whined a little - Jace has never had to fight someone. He likely never will, either, because he rides a dragon into battles. If he was given an opportunity at some point to show whether or not he has sword skills I think it would have been better. Maybe he's the one who storms in to save his mom from twin assassin.

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Jace is still a pup. Younger than Aemond, I believe. No idea but he can't be more than 16.

Speaking of the Night King, I think I saw him last night.


https://instagr.am/p/C-bDcoQCS7B

is it too late to do a "re-do" on the last season of GOT? It would make the Fire and Ice drama worth our time.

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So, unlike Jon Snow - who also whined a little - Jace has never had to fight someone. He likely never will, either, because he rides a dragon into battles. If he was given an opportunity at some point to show whether or not he has sword skills I think it would have been better. Maybe he's the one who storms in to save his mom from twin assassin.

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Jace is still a pup. Younger than Aemond, I believe. No idea but he can't be more than 16.

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I'm pretty sure Jon was that young or younger when he joined the Night Watch.

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redline248 said:

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So, unlike Jon Snow - who also whined a little - Jace has never had to fight someone. He likely never will, either, because he rides a dragon into battles. If he was given an opportunity at some point to show whether or not he has sword skills I think it would have been better. Maybe he's the one who storms in to save his mom from twin assassin.

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Jace is still a pup. Younger than Aemond, I believe. No idea but he can't be more than 16.

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I'm pretty sure Jon was that young or younger when he joined the Night Watch.

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Yeah but he's raised a northerner. And as a *******, knew he would always have to work his ass off.

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ChoppinDs40 said:

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redline248 said:

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So, unlike Jon Snow - who also whined a little - Jace has never had to fight someone. He likely never will, either, because he rides a dragon into battles. If he was given an opportunity at some point to show whether or not he has sword skills I think it would have been better. Maybe he's the one who storms in to save his mom from twin assassin.

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Jace is still a pup. Younger than Aemond, I believe. No idea but he can't be more than 16.

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I'm pretty sure Jon was that young or younger when he joined the Night Watch.

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Yeah but he's raised a northerner. And as a *******, knew he would always have to work his ass off.

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Funnily enough Jace's best scene was on the Wall where he didn't whine at all.

Not really a Family Guy fan, but this is pretty funny .,.

Family Guy explaining Game of Thrones in six and a half minutes 😭😭😭 pic.twitter.com/Ar3jysi83x

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