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I think criticism leads to more discussion so it can make it seem like we're overly negative, so wanted to take a second for one thing that I did like in this episode:

The scene with Aemond running the small council was good. Each of the people on the council are coming with their own perspectives, each of them has justifications to think they're view is correct, he is disagreeing with all of them and some of them thinks its youthful impetuousness, and yet, from what we know, he's the most correct.

In kind of a "firstest with the mostest" way, the faster they can attack Harrenhal, the better off they're going to be. The longer Daemon has to raise an army and Rhaenyra has to find dragon riders the worse it gets for the green army, even though they don't really know that.

I thought all of that interplay was pretty good.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Cole saw him pull his sword to finish Aegon. Aemond also knows Cole is banging his mom and he's trying to eliminate her influence, so you marginalize him at the same time to marginalize her. You don't leave the two of them together in the council and in Kings Landing to conspire against you

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I'm just comparing it to Game of Thrones, where a character could be introduced and impact some of the side plots in the show for a while before they really take center stage.

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Al Bula said:

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The entire after show phenomena is super unappealing...

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redline248 said:

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Also, I think he got rid of Cole b/c he's afraid he'll tell someone what he did to Aegon. Or was Cole unconscious at that point?

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Al Bula said:

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In the specific case of them saying Aemond is somehow black and white, that's nonsense. He clearly patronized Alicent right out the Red Keep with his domestic pursuits comment. That was malicious and he has disdain for her presence. Whether it is because of she distanced herself after the Luke fiasco or Alicent just favored Aegon more as heir, those points can be debated a lot more than directors/producers just saying he didn't find her useful so he axed her from the small council.

Only other explanation would be that he is autistic like Haelena (you know, due to all the incest), but high functioning, and was placating her with what he thinks she would like. However that is as ridiculous as the creators having to s-p-e-l-l out their intent and not worth discussing further.

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The Dog Lord said:

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Al Bula said:

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In the specific case of them saying Aemond is somehow black and white, that's nonsense. He clearly patronized Alicent right out the Red Keep with his domestic pursuits comment. That was malicious and he has disdain for her presence. Whether it is because of she distanced herself after the Luke fiasco or Alicent just favored Aegon more as heir, those points can be debated a lot more than directors/producers just saying he didn't find her useful so he axed her from the small council.

Only other explanation would be that he is autistic like Haelena (you know, due to all the incest), but high functioning, and was placating her with what he thinks she would like. However that is as ridiculous as the creators having to s-p-e-l-l out their intent and not worth discussing further.

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It could still be true that he legitimately doesn't see any use for her even if he condescendingly tells her what she can go do now that she serves no purpose with the small council.

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redline248 said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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The Dog Lord said:

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Al Bula said:

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In the specific case of them saying Aemond is somehow black and white, that's nonsense. He clearly patronized Alicent right out the Red Keep with his domestic pursuits comment. That was malicious and he has disdain for her presence. Whether it is because of she distanced herself after the Luke fiasco or Alicent just favored Aegon more as heir, those points can be debated a lot more than directors/producers just saying he didn't find her useful so he axed her from the small council.

Only other explanation would be that he is autistic like Haelena (you know, due to all the incest), but high functioning, and was placating her with what he thinks she would like. However that is as ridiculous as the creators having to s-p-e-l-l out their intent and not worth discussing further.

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It could still be true that he legitimately doesn't see any use for her even if he condescendingly tells her what she can go do now that she serves no purpose with the small council.

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Not arguing with you just joining the fray....


He is obviously (to me) making a play to remove Aegon permanently. Whether it's by killing him or making sure he gets minimal treatment either way it is easier without mom around. Just as the maester is telling him he has regained consciousness and is stronger than he thought he visits him and dismisses the ones treating him and then says it is going to be a long process to the measter seemingly like he wants it to be. Then we see club foot withholding his medication to lecture him. I think he intends to make sure he never gets better one way or another.

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Aemond and Lorys are there for different reasons. Aemond to intimidate and see if Aegon is gonna be an issue telling people what happened. Lorys b/c he wants someone that can/will give him more power. They don't have anything to do with the other.

Lorys needs a powerful ally, and Aegon - who was previously dumb enough to fall for his tricks - is in an even worse position. Aegon is gonna need Lorys to help keep him alive.

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canadiaggie said:

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redline248 said:

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I was suggesting Aegon and Lorys need each other. I think Lorys knows between the 2 brothers, he ain't getting anywhere with Aemond.

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I agree, I think Larys knows Aemond sees right through him. Aegon he can manipulate.

I thought the scene and dialogue where he spoke to Aegon about what it's like to be disabled was masterful. Like Season 1 GoT level stuff. All that emotion was real, it just speaks to the kind of snake he is that he can direct that real, raw emotion into a manipulative conversation. He knows he has Aegon hooked forever.

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