Charlie Conway said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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Interesting. Didn't she make a comment when Khal Drogo pours the liquid gold on her brother that "he wasn't a true Targaryen because Targaryen's can't be hurt by fire"? Or am I misremembering that quote?

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The quote is, "He was no dragon. Fire can not kill a dragon.". The fire they were breathing at each other should have had no effect. However, getting your neck chomped and falling a thousand feet should kill you.

As soon as she saw Aegon fall, she should have high tailed it for Dragonstone, knowing that meant Kings Landing was undefended. Gather the other dragons and burn the Red Keep. I would have liked the death better if she had done that and Aemond caught up to her.

Also, if Aegon is alive, then he should have both Cole and his brother beheaded. The plan was good, except that they didn't tell the King.

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The plan was good?

I'm pretty sure Aemond set Aegon up there. I think he knew Aegon would come. that's why he waited when he first heard the call to come to their rescue (which was the plan). They wanted to lure Rhaenys out with her dragon which they did and then kill her and the dragon, and were willing to sacrifice the army hence the day raid. But Aemond did not come when called. The only logical reason is he knew Aegon was coming.

And we clearly see Aemond intentionally blast Aegon with fire. We later see Aemond showing no remorse at his (preaumably) dead brother.

I did no yet read back through and just watched this so not sure if that's been discussed. I just saw this post near the bottom of the thread.

Cole was played for a fool by Aemond imo.

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I think it's implied that Aemon did seize the opportunity to burn Aegon, even seemed like he was going to finish him off before Cole walked up on them in the woods.

But I DO NOT think Aemond intended Aegon to go to the battle.

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I mean I would agree but... I just can't fathom what Aemond was waiting for when he was called to the rescue which was obviously the plan.

I'm trying to recall the discussion in Valyrian between Aemond and Aegon in the small council to see if he subtly dared him to do it. I'll have to go back and watch. He does know how to push Aegon's buttons.

he waited so long because he thought it would be easier to clean up the mess than be in the fight from the beginning

have you ever played Call of Duty, this is an easy way to get free kills duh

I have no doubt Cole believed that. Anyway it doesn't really matter. Even if it was just opportunistic, Aemond definitely tried to kill Aegon. He will likely use the excuse that the dragon has a mind of it's own. Either way, dead or incapacitated Aegon is out of the picture, Aemond is likely calling the shots now.

KidDoc said:

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LB12Diamond said:

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The interesting thing to me both seasons they have made such a big deal about ice and fire. And making sure that's known. But clearly between now and GOT that was lost.

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In the GOT books they make a big deal about the Prince that was Promised, and Aegon's dream. However, they didn't in the originally GOT show. They do mention it, but they didn't seem to delve deep into prophecies. I wonder if there are a lot of people who just watch the show and don't realize that Jon Snow is (likely) the Prince that was Promised and not a character in this series.

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This is the part of the botched ending that really ticks me off. The entire series is supposed to be about the threat of the walkers and the dragons are supposed to be a counter to them (Ice & Fire). But instead they have Arya pop in and one shot the night king. So dumb.

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Technically, Valyrian doesn't use gender-specific versions of nouns. The listener/reader is supposed to be able to discern which gender is meant by the context. The Prince That Was Promised could just as easily have been The Princess That Was Promised.

Yes, I took the High Valyrian course on Duolingo.

How's this confusing he was getting his sword out to finish the deed when Cole showed up.

My thinking was that the dragons were only there in GOT bc the north showed Danny the threat. The irony about that one, the knight king got a dragon on the process of her learning the threat. The story never made it down through the ages. I guess that's bc those who know don't make it. So the importance of the story does not work out.

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Yeah I thought they made it clear that aemond didn't know aegon would show up. Didn't he yell idiot or stupid or something?

Put me in the camp of thinking he didn't expect him to show up but decided to let it play out and use it to his advantage.

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Yeah I rewatched,

When Aemond saw the dragon in the sky and groaned and said "not yet vhagar, rest" or whatever I thought it was Rhaenys but on rewatch I see that it was Aegon. So yeah he waited until Aegon was getting his ass kicked. But then took the opportunity to remove him too if he could.

LB12Diamond said:

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The interesting thing to me both seasons they have made such a big deal about ice and fire. And making sure that's known. But clearly between now and GOT that was lost.

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Bc it is passed down to Targ rulers from Targ rulers as a right of passage. No more Targ rulers, no more story.

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My thinking was that the dragons were only there in GOT bc the north showed Danny the threat. The irony about that one, the knight king got a dragon on the process of her learning the threat. The story never made it down through the ages. I guess that's bc those who know don't make it. So the importance of the story does not work out.

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It did make it through the ages though. I mean the whole purpose of the red witch and her religion was to push "the prince that was promised" on ole grumpy Stannis. She thought she was the fire as a rep through the fire god when it was actually the dragon's fire that was (supposedly) important.

I'm just now catching up on this thread from two episodes ago.

Aegon played the perfect smarmy punk king and will be missed (if dead). If he's not dead, pretty dumb.

Princess Ray-whatever was just a pure badass (and loyal to the end). Went down like a true OG.

Going back to the parlay in the sept, did anyone else think that the septa habit made Queen R much more attractive than her normal severe hairdo?

The Queen we are supposed to hate Alicent has grown on me. I wonder if her morning-after procedures are going to work. It's GOT, so I'm guessing not. She's knocked up and will claim that the old dead King blasted one before dying, creating the new heir.

They keep saying that the war will be fought with armies and not dragons, but then proving that isn't the case. Cole's tiny castle tour was all well and good when done at night and in the forest. Once he stepped out in the open, his army got toasted.

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I'm just now catching up on this thread from two episodes ago.

Aegon played the perfect smarmy punk king and will be missed (if dead). If he's not dead, pretty dumb.

Princess Ray-whatever was just a pure badass (and loyal to the end). Went down like a true OG.

Going back to the parlay in the sept, did anyone else think that the septa habit made Queen R much more attractive than her normal severe hairdo?

The Queen we are supposed to hate Alicent has grown on me. I wonder if her morning-after procedures are going to work. It's GOT, so I'm guessing not. She's knocked up and will claim that the old dead King blasted one before dying, creating the new heir.

They keep saying that the war will be fought with armies and dragons, but then proving that isn't the case. Cole's tiny castle tour was all well and good when done at night and in the forest. Once he stepped out in the open, his army got toasted.

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My wife said the Septa outfit made Rhaenyra "look like a sexy nun."

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LB12Diamond said:

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My thinking was that the dragons were only there in GOT bc the north showed Danny the threat. The irony about that one, the knight king got a dragon on the process of her learning the threat. The story never made it down through the ages. I guess that's bc those who know don't make it. So the importance of the story does not work out.

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It did make it through the ages though. I mean the whole purpose of the red witch and her religion was to push "the prince that was promised" on ole grumpy Stannis. She thought she was the fire as a rep through the fire god when it was actually the dragon's fire that was (supposedly) important.

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I think the red witches believed that theoretically anyone could be Azor Ahai/the Prince whereas Aegon correctly prophesied that it would be someone from his line (Jon/Dany) which is why I think Melisandre was legitimately convinced that Stannis was the one up until she meets Jon. I think she honestly misread the signs when they were indicative of Stannis just being the bridge to get to the actual Prince (Jon).

Yea I'm not sure which side I'm rooting for. Both have some pretty unlikeable characters. We need a Tyrion type to all get behind!

If Aegon is alive, it will be disappointing because it's typical Hollywood, but I do think it could lead to an interesting storyline if Aemond splits off (either by choice or punishment) and makes his own claim in the throne. You could end up with a situation where you have four groups fighting for the crown:

Aegon -- Viewed by many as the rightful heir because he is the first male born son. However, many people may not follow him because he is too impulsive and not an effective leader.

Aemond -- Second born son, so not a great claim to the throne; however, he has shown to be the best tactician and probably the best leader.

Rhaenyra -- Viewed by many as the rightful heir because the last King proclaimed it, but many won't follow her because she is a woman.

Daemon -- Not a great claim to the throne, but clearly thinks he deserves it. We haven't seen much of his fighting or planning, but the character definitely gives off the great fighter/leader vibes.

It could be interesting to have four people vying for the crown. We had five at one point in GOT, but Renly got killed quick and Robb and Greyjoy weren't trying to win everything, just their realms.

To me it seemed she knew she wasn't coming out of this battle alive, and she refused to retreat yet again.

It was either her or the other rider(s) with no time for caution.

Daemon sees plenty of action in season 1 to validate his worth.

I understand that was her mindset but the way she went about it seemed careless. I would have thought she would have much more dragon battle skill tactics. Especially when the enemy is much stronger.

The story in HOD is ICE and Fire. I don't remember anything about the prince that was promised. Two different stories.

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The story in HOD is ICE and Fire. I don't remember anything about the prince that was promised. Two different stories.

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I double checked with Google, looks like I was correct


https://gamerant.com/house-of-the-dragon-prince-promised-song-ice-fire-explained/#:~:text=Daenerys%20Targaryen%20has%20a%20vision,song%20of%20ice%20and%20fire.%22

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The Prince That Was Promised is said to have a song. The book series is actually named after this song; as a whole, the series is not titled Game of Thrones, but A Song of Ice and Fire. Curiously, it has come up sparingly within the novels. Daenerys Targaryen has a vision of her brother, Rhaegar, who thought his eldest son Aegon must be the Prince That Was Promised. The vision of Rhaegar stared directly at Daenerys and said, "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.

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