TCTTS said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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TCTTS said:

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You mean 13 episodes and two years ago? Yeah, there's no way I - and many others - are remembering the details from that.

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Tell me how much you can remember from Andor. 12 episodes and 2 years ago?

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Fewer characters, the names are easier to remember, each plot line is more distinct from the other, and it's simply better overall. That, and I've also watched multiple episodes twice.

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You're not going to live this one down anytime sooon, at least on this thread.

Be like you're watching a story about Jesus in the New Testament and TC's like "Who's this God guy everyone's blathering on about? Was he in one of the episodes? "

What is the deal with Deamon wanting to callee Your Grace and not My Prince?

I also like this line
"The Throne?"
"It's a chair. Made out of swords."

I love how y'all are ganging up on someone who only vaguely knows who a character is. This show has an insane family tree and most casual viewers just don't care, myself included.

Yeah the conqueror has been brought up many times but I wouldn't remember much about him either.

Laughable nerd rage.

Cibalo said:

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What is the deal with Deamon wanting to callee Your Grace and not My Prince?

I also like this line
"The Throne?"
"It's a chair. Made out of swords."

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Your Grace is reserved for the King or Queen. He would normally not be called Your Grace because he is King Consort (married to the Queen) and not the actual King. By demanding to be called Your Grace, he is showing he still has desire for the crown.

Madmarttigan said:

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I love how y'all are ganging up on someone who only vaguely knows who a character is. This show has an insane family tree and most casual viewers just don't care, myself included.

Yeah the conqueror has been brought up many times but I wouldn't remember much about him either.

Laughable nerd rage.

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The guy named after the 2nd lead from WILLOW mocking nerds?

It's because these episodes have all been basically the same,

- King wants to go to war, council and everyone else mostly trying to talk him out of it
- Queen doesn't want to go to war, council and everyone else mostly trying to talk her into it
- An incredibly stupid undercover mission with practically no chance of success
- Catastrophic failure of said mission leaving someone dead but not the intended person (at least nobody died in the third one)
- Dramatic fallout of the always doomed mission

oragator said:

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I looked at IMDB to see if it was just me and all three of this season's episodes are the lowest rated of the series to date.

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I am enjoying the heck out of this season. Daemon is is killing it.

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It is war, FINALLY.

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Is it, though? I feel like that's been the feeling after every episode recently. I understand trying to add build up, but I feel like they are well past the point of war. I mean, if the killing of a baby didn't do it, I'm not sure why we should think the conversation in the Sept really changes that.

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I disagree. I think there was a small part of Rhaenyra that still believed Alicent still wanted peace, but she refused to acknowledge it until this episode because she was blinded by the anger of losing her son.

But Alicent refusing to listen to reason and doubling down basically just gave her free reign to go full steam ahead with a "clear" conscience.

Everything that happens from here on out is squarely on Alicent, in her mind. You could see the look of determination on her face at the end of their conversation. She is in war mode.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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zap said:

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It is war, FINALLY.

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Is it, though? I feel like that's been the feeling after every episode recently. I understand trying to add build up, but I feel like they are well past the point of war. I mean, if the killing of a baby didn't do it, I'm not sure why we should think the conversation in the Sept really changes that.

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I disagree. I think there was a small part of Rhaenyra that still believed Alicent still wanted peace, but she refused to acknowledge it until this episode because she was blinded by the anger of losing her son.

But Alicent refusing to listen to reason and doubling down basically just gave her free reign to go full steam ahead with a "clear" conscience.

Everything that happens from here on out is squarely on Alicent, in her mind. You could see the look of determination on her face at the end of their conversation. She is in war mode.

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She's an idiot if she thought Alicent was willing to settle. Seriously, what did she think would happen.

"Dad, was just talking crazy. He really wanted me to be Queen still."

"Oh, really? My bad. I guess you can be Queen now. Sorry about your dead son."

"No worries. Sorry about your dead grand baby. Friendsies?"

"Best Friendsies!"

For me the biggest thing that bugged me is that Alicent wouldn't immediately alert her guards to capture Rhaenyra.

Except Rhaenyra didn't go into that conversation with that knowledge. She was simply trying to get Alicent to talk her side off the ledge. Then, mid-conversation, once Rhaenyra realized the miscommunication that lead to the whole ordeal, she tried to explain it. To which Alicent essentially said it doesn't matter, because the revenge-obsessed boys are running the show now.

Why would she do that? Considering their history, that would be completely out of character for her.

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Except Rhaenyra didn't go into that conversation with that knowledge. She was simply trying to get Alicent to talk her side off the ledge. Then, mid-conversation, once Rhaenyra realized the miscommunication that lead to the whole ordeal, she tried to explain it. To which Alicent essentially said it doesn't matter, because the revenge-obsessed boys are running the show now.

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Well hopefully you understood the Aegon they were talking about in that scene?

You guys are forgetting that allicent sent rhae-rhae a message that we didn't get to see. Just a few words of it. Clearly whatever allicent wrote was enough for rhaenyra to believe there was another solution to war. And they all know it will come to dragons, and since we know there are no dragons left for a while, it's worth the risk.

For all the crap I've gotten for not knowing some historical dude's name, it's amazing to me what some of you "experts" are missing in terms of motivations/context clues.

Alicent doesn't just want to prevent war, she wants to prevent killing her former best friend. For three episodes now, all Alicent has done is give Rheanyra the benefit of the doubt, in conversation after conversation, to the point where it's clear that, deep down, she still cares for her. She's not some general who's thinking how *only* to save thousands of lives/prevent a war. She's a woman who's letting her feelings and her nostalgia get the best of her in that moment, which is perfectly understandable.

As for why the two of them didn't secretly meet outside the city, they literally explained this, as Rheanyra said Alicent will assume it's a trap, same as Rheanyra would if the situation were reversed.

I mean they smuggled tyrion into KL to meet with Jaimie after everyone thought he had killed both Joffrey and tywin. Surely the killer of the king and the hand getting in and out is more unlikely?