*** Masters of the Air ***

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wangus12 said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

That museum is on my bucket list to visit. Been to many around the country, most notably Pensacola and the National Air & Space Museum but also smaller museums. Also really want to get to Dayton, Ohio for the Air Force museum.
I'd also highly recommend The Museum of Flight in Seattle. They have a fantastic collection of WWI & WW2 aircraft.
If you haven't been to the Mighty 8th Air Force Museum in Pooler, Georgia off I-95

you can't call yourself an expert in World War Two air battles.

https://www.mightyeighth.org/
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Yes please!
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good to see there are other stories involved not just 9 hours of "Memphis Belle"

and just an FYI some may find interesting: every officer who is finishing OCS in the US Air Force watches "Twelve O'Clock High" before commissioning. That was a heck of an experience to watch that movie with 105 other officer candidates!

which looks like a more realistic movie than Masters of the Air. (mixing in real combat footage)

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I'm very curious to see how they incorporate the Red Tails. I know the 8th AAF had early involvement in North Africa and had later missions that bombed Germany and ended in North Africa, but the Red Tails were part of the 12th Air Force over the Mediterranean, often escorting the 15th.

I just hope they didn't take too many historical liberties just for the purpose of fitting in multiple widely dispersed stories.
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There's 9 episodes apparently. I expect them to spend a lion's share of the series on the men of the 8th as the war progresses. Looks like we'll be following at least one crew as they're shot down and sent to a POW camp. I bet an early episode introduces us to a couple of black pilots and the show follows them through some of their time in Europe too. Maybe those characters cross paths in the POW camp or post-war if the series progresses that far. I trust these producers not to bend history too much. They'll want to tell a couple of different stories with the series, but they don't have to have everyone in the same places or missions hopefully.
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That works perfectly fine for me.

Looks like they are mainly focusing on the Bloody 100th, specifically Majors Gale Cleven (Butler) & John Egan (Turner). Both of them were shot down and finished the war in POW camps.
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Just hope they bump the narration track up a few decibels for the episodes (got that complaint out of the way). Looking forward to this series.
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LMCane said:

at least with BOB they were advancing and crushing the Germans all the time

this is going to be brutal simply watching Americans crash and burn and knock down a few Messerschmitt BF109s or ****e-Wolf 190s



Nazis knew how to build aircraft


Their planes might have been better... but our production and industrial might far outweighed them and the Japanese.

In the 3 years after Pearl Harbor Japan built 6 carriers. We built 17.

In all we built 297,000 aircraft. Germany and Japan combined built 180,000.

American Industrial capacity doubled in 4 years and almost all of it was war production.

America accounted for 2/3 of all Allied production.


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tk for tu juan said:

Just hope they bump the narration track up a few decibels for the episodes (got that complaint out of the way). Looking forward to this series.

closed captioning is a must for me in these type of shows
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jeffk said:

There's 9 episodes apparently. I expect them to spend a lion's share of the series on the men of the 8th as the war progresses. Looks like we'll be following at least one crew as they're shot down and sent to a POW camp. I bet an early episode introduces us to a couple of black pilots and the show follows them through some of their time in Europe too. Maybe those characters cross paths in the POW camp or post-war if the series progresses that far. I trust these producers not to bend history too much. They'll want to tell a couple of different stories with the series, but they don't have to have everyone in the same places or missions hopefully.


And it will be okay if we have a unit "in the wrong place". This isn't a history lesson, it's a historical depiction.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

LMCane said:

at least with BOB they were advancing and crushing the Germans all the time

this is going to be brutal simply watching Americans crash and burn and knock down a few Messerschmitt BF109s or ****e-Wolf 190s



Nazis knew how to build aircraft


Their planes might have been better... but our production and industrial might far outweighed them and the Japanese.

In the 3 years after Pearl Harbor Japan built 6 carriers. We built 17.

In all we built 297,000 aircraft. Germany and Japan combined built 180,000.

American Industrial capacity doubled in 4 years and almost all of it was war production.

America accounted for 2/3 of all Allied production.



The Nazis did in fact know how to build aircraft, but these overwhelming numbers are absolutely correct. The Nazis often didn't know how to properly employ the aircraft they did build. There has been much debate regarding the world's first operational jet fighter, the Messerschmitt Me262, whether Hitler interfered in its development by pushing it as a bomber when it clearly should only have been deployed as a fighter. Point of fact is that there were multiple variants of that airframe, one intended as a fighter and one as a fighter-bomber. Given that the Allies had nothing that could deal with the 262, that aircraft should never have been used in any bombing capability (they had the Ar-234 which was a much more ideal airframe to use as a bomber, and was also jet powered).
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Not air war in Europe, but a damn good graph on American (naval) power growth in the pacific and the industrial might the US was able to throw around.
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Great panel discussion with the author of Masters of the Air and one of the producers.

https://www.youtube.com/live/edDoldxOXcs?si=ajvF1R0mMrqgDQr1
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Opening title sequence composed by Blake Neely (was also a co-composer for The Pacific)

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

LMCane said:

at least with BOB they were advancing and crushing the Germans all the time

this is going to be brutal simply watching Americans crash and burn and knock down a few Messerschmitt BF109s or ****e-Wolf 190s



Nazis knew how to build aircraft


Their planes might have been better... but our production and industrial might far outweighed them and the Japanese.

In the 3 years after Pearl Harbor Japan built 6 carriers. We built 17.

In all we built 297,000 aircraft. Germany and Japan combined built 180,000.

American Industrial capacity doubled in 4 years and almost all of it was war production.

America accounted for 2/3 of all Allied production.



The P51 was better than the 109
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JABQ04 said:

Not air war in Europe, but a damn good graph on American (naval) power growth in the pacific and the industrial might the US was able to throw around.

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JABQ04 said:

Not air war in Europe, but a damn good graph on American (naval) power growth in the pacific and the industrial might the US was able to throw around.

the final Jap aircraft carrier was sunk by an American submarine on it's very first combat patrol, it never even got out of Japanese waters before being sunk.

The US Navy sunk 14 Japanese fleet carriers during the war. that's incredible. we only lost FOUR.

plus another 5 escort and light carriers.
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Premiers Jan 26th.

I will need to find an Apple TV promo code.
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This looks horrendous. Watching the over the top 2.5 minute opening title sequence makes even Michael Bay blush. Good lord.
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Then I bet Blake was in charge of snacks for Hans. Terrible.
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Some of y'all are bailing because of the title sequence?
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I'm sure they will be back to complain on 1/26 and each week after that
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Spoiler: They land

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Falcon74 said:

This looks horrendous. Watching the over the top 2.5 minute opening title sequence makes even Michael Bay blush. Good lord.
Title sequence is very similar to Band of Brothers, and The Pacific...you know the same people that are making this show.
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I'm gonna trust Hanks and Spielberg to get it done right. They did great with BOB and TP.
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tk for tu juan said:

Spoiler: They land


Looks like landing at Narsarsuaq Air Base in Greenland. Common stop for the bombers as they ferried over to England.
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Just heard about this. Can't wait to see it.
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I'm hoping I can watch this with my 16 year old. I know it says it'll be TV-MA. Assuming it'll have some pretty graphic violence but do yall think it'll have much bad language or sexual content? Wouldn't think so, but Hollywood has surprised me a time or two.
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It'll probably have one or two gratuitous sex scenes.
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Pretty cramped in those B-17's, but I guess it's technically possible. Jk.

I hope they leave the vivid romance in the plot to the imagination.
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Ha, yeah. Just going by the norms for BoB and other streaming dramas.
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Video of a group of pilots landing a DC-3 at that base while taking the North Atlantic Air Ferry route

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