Ghost of Bisbee said:

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The missions in this series are so very well done. Loved watching that mini-dogfight when the bomber took down those German planes. The slow-mo scene was awesome.

looks like next episode we see one of the parachuters perspectives of coming across a concentration camp? I'm not ready for that if so

also, am I the only one who doesn't think Buck is dead?

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Unemployed said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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The missions in this series are so very well done. Loved watching that mini-dogfight when the bomber took down those German planes. The slow-mo scene was awesome.



looks like next episode we see one of the parachuters perspectives of coming across a concentration camp? I'm not ready for that if so

also, am I the only one who doesn't think Buck is dead?

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I think the four parachutes they saw were Buck and his crew.

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Hey Nav said:

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Dead reckoning. They still taught it when I went through nav school in 1996. I hated the nav log and the dreaded 6 minute DR, alter heading.

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Trying not to derail the thread, folks, but I find this topic to be of much interest. I knew at least one B-17 Navigator - who has since passed on into the Wild Blue Yonder, and hopefully is labeled a "select lead" and "tailwind" Nav.

I'm a Class of '80, so I went through UNT at Mather. I reckon you went elsewhere - and they had quit teaching celestial by then.

When you're on a plane headed 10 hours into nothing but blue Pacific waters, and in the days before INS or GPS - just DR and a sextant, the rest of the crew treated you like a Golden God, at least until they got close to a NavAid that locked on :-)

Am not familiar with your "the dreaded 6 minute DR , alter heading" comment.

To BBRex - cel is not very practical over land on a short route into Germany. It's pretty much impossible for a wingman. You need a very level aircraft with no heading or airspeed changes for accurate readings. In daytime, you'd only get one line of position from the Sun, and if you were lucky, another line from the Moon, hopefully at a much different angle than the Sun.

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AgNav93 said:

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Hey Nav said:

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Dead reckoning. They still taught it when I went through nav school in 1996. I hated the nav log and the dreaded 6 minute DR, alter heading.

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Trying not to derail the thread, folks, but I find this topic to be of much interest. I knew at least one B-17 Navigator - who has since passed on into the Wild Blue Yonder, and hopefully is labeled a "select lead" and "tailwind" Nav.

I'm a Class of '80, so I went through UNT at Mather. I reckon you went elsewhere - and they had quit teaching celestial by then.

When you're on a plane headed 10 hours into nothing but blue Pacific waters, and in the days before INS or GPS - just DR and a sextant, the rest of the crew treated you like a Golden God, at least until they got close to a NavAid that locked on :-)

Am not familiar with your "the dreaded 6 minute DR , alter heading" comment.

To BBRex - cel is not very practical over land on a short route into Germany. It's pretty much impossible for a wingman. You need a very level aircraft with no heading or airspeed changes for accurate readings. In daytime, you'd only get one line of position from the Sun, and if you were lucky, another line from the Moon, hopefully at a much different angle than the Sun.

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I went to UNT at Randolph. We still did celestial. It was also required for a check ride in the E-3 and we were required to shoot cel any time we crossed the Atlantic or Pacific. It was not by the time I got to RC-135s.

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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Unemployed said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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The missions in this series are so very well done. Loved watching that mini-dogfight when the bomber took down those German planes. The slow-mo scene was awesome.



looks like next episode we see one of the parachuters perspectives of coming across a concentration camp? I'm not ready for that if so

also, am I the only one who doesn't think Buck is dead?

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I think the four parachutes they saw were Buck and his crew.

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Buck survives the war.

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BassCowboy33 said:

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AgNav93 said:

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Hey Nav said:

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Dead reckoning. They still taught it when I went through nav school in 1996. I hated the nav log and the dreaded 6 minute DR, alter heading.

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Trying not to derail the thread, folks, but I find this topic to be of much interest. I knew at least one B-17 Navigator - who has since passed on into the Wild Blue Yonder, and hopefully is labeled a "select lead" and "tailwind" Nav.

I'm a Class of '80, so I went through UNT at Mather. I reckon you went elsewhere - and they had quit teaching celestial by then.

When you're on a plane headed 10 hours into nothing but blue Pacific waters, and in the days before INS or GPS - just DR and a sextant, the rest of the crew treated you like a Golden God, at least until they got close to a NavAid that locked on :-)

Am not familiar with your "the dreaded 6 minute DR , alter heading" comment.

To BBRex - cel is not very practical over land on a short route into Germany. It's pretty much impossible for a wingman. You need a very level aircraft with no heading or airspeed changes for accurate readings. In daytime, you'd only get one line of position from the Sun, and if you were lucky, another line from the Moon, hopefully at a much different angle than the Sun.

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I went to UNT at Randolph. We still did celestial. It was also required for a check ride in the E-3 and we were required to shoot cel any time we crossed the Atlantic or Pacific. It was not by the time I got to RC-135s.

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While not a pilot, I learned Cel Nav as a mariner. We did six-minute dead reckonings because it's 1/10 an hour. You take a DR every 6 minutes and math at least three DRs to a fixed position along the same route. You then make the best guess as to what point the turn is at based on speed and course.

Not sure if it's the same in the air, I imagine there are some differences. The margin for error on boats is usually much larger, because we're dealing with a slower speed.

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malenurse said:

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They just about have to considering the losses

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KCup17 said:

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You aren't alone in that thought. He's too big a character in this series for his death to happen off screen.

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agracer said:

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KCup17 said:

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You aren't alone in that thought. He's too big a character in this series for his death to happen off screen.

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I thought about that as well but then wondered if they weren't trying to give the viewers the perspective of the men who flew the missions. They come home and their best friend is gone and they have no clue what happened to them.

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AgLA06 said:

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The previews showed what looked like scenes from the stalags.

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jwoodmd said:

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agracer said:

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KCup17 said:

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You aren't alone in that thought. He's too big a character in this series for his death to happen off screen.

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I thought about that as well but then wondered if they weren't trying to give the viewers the perspective of the men who flew the missions. They come home and their best friend is gone and they have no clue what happened to them.

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I still stand behind that they will show some of what life as a POW was like. There were so many flyers that spent so much time in POW camps they likely won't just ignore it. They are already showing what downed flyers had to do to try to escape capture. Anyway, I'm not putting it as spoiler as it isn't known but just conjecture.

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agracer said:

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KCup17 said:

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You aren't alone in that thought. He's too big a character in this series for his death to happen off screen.

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I thought about that as well but then wondered if they weren't trying to give the viewers the perspective of the men who flew the missions. They come home and their best friend is gone and they have no clue what happened to them.

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She of course had no idea, but she never served it, or any German food again.

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