Right there with you regarding investment in Endgame vs Skywalker. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the hell out of Skywalker.Farmer1906 said:Living Legend said:
It's time for you Star Wars fanboys to admit that the MCU is a much better franchise than Star Wars.
The MCU has mind of ruined Star Wars for me. I was 100x more invested in Endgame than Skywalker. I've been a bigger SW fan for as long as I can remember.
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I did as well. I enjoyed it, but I also agree it is a very flawed movie and probably falls in the middle of the pack of Star Wars.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Right there with you regarding investment in Endgame vs Skywalker. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the hell out of Skywalker.Farmer1906 said:Living Legend said:
It's time for you Star Wars fanboys to admit that the MCU is a much better franchise than Star Wars.
The MCU has mind of ruined Star Wars for me. I was 100x more invested in Endgame than Skywalker. I've been a bigger SW fan for as long as I can remember.
fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
It was good, but it felt like a cheat. Han is dead and is not a Jedi, thus breaking the tradition of only showing force ghosts. Making it a vision was a pretty flimsy excuse. Don't kill him if you still want to use him.
To me, that would've been a perfect opportunity to have Anakin show up. Considering Kylo's worship of Vader, seeing Anakin in his true form might have been the final push he needed to bring him to the light, not to mention might actually fulfill the "bringing balance to the force" prophecy.
Who would play Anakin?
Did Leia project Han to Kylo? Did Kylo project Han to himself? New Jedi ability (spreadsheet updated).
You mean the scene where is just a plain ole daylight ghost, made necessary by the ridiculously pathetic killing off of solo in the first place? It was good to see harrison ford again, and it was a well-acted if absurdly hoaky scene.fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
Honestly i just wish the whole slate could be swept clean other than rogue 1 and the original trilogy (along with ewoks)
The mediocre to decent entertainment they brought (other than tlj - which was just trash) just isnt worth the waste of a brilliant franchise/characters.
...excuse me? that was one of the few beautiful/gut wrenching scenes in this new trilogy.cbr said:You mean the scene where is just a plain ole daylight ghost, made necessary by the ridiculously pathetic killing off of solo in the first place?fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
I could tell the second solo walked onto that plank that was going to happen. I thought it was predicatably bad, with a clumsy script, and a waste of the best character in the series. It was so hoaky i couldn even get sad about it.M.C. Swag said:...excuse me? that was one of the few beautiful/gut wrenching scenes in this new trilogy.cbr said:You mean the scene where is just a plain ole daylight ghost, made necessary by the ridiculously pathetic killing off of solo in the first place?fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
lol That's such an absurd take but I hope you were happy with your uNpReDicTaBle death/not death of Chewie.cbr said:I could tell the second solo walked onto that plank that was going to happen. I thought it was predicatably bad, with a clumsy script, and a waste of the best character in the series. It was so hoaky i couldn even get sad about it.M.C. Swag said:...excuse me? that was one of the few beautiful/gut wrenching scenes in this new trilogy.cbr said:You mean the scene where is just a plain ole daylight ghost, made necessary by the ridiculously pathetic killing off of solo in the first place?fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
To me, Star Wars has become merely another MCU. I couldn't get myself to care about End Game anymore than Skwalker. At least Star Wars doesn't have those scenes where everybody lines up, waits for the camera to pan to them so they can take their turn doing their pre-fight flex pose. I pull my eyeball rolling muscles every time MCU does that. Otherwise, both are little more than a couple hours of ridiculous fight scenes where in the end, all the good guys have to do is grit their teeth harder and grunt louder than the bad guys to win.
In both, the heros/villains are too ridiculously powerful. Palpatine apparently could destroy an entire fleet with electricity from his hands given enough time and Rey can defeat that with two light sabers and a sufficiently angry face. In MCU a person having stones on a stupid glove can give them the power to basically sneeze away the entire universe, meanwhile, what's her face can fly though ships without breaking a nail.
Basically, SW has gone full MCU and both are extremely lame. I can't wait for people to write good stories again.
In both, the heros/villains are too ridiculously powerful. Palpatine apparently could destroy an entire fleet with electricity from his hands given enough time and Rey can defeat that with two light sabers and a sufficiently angry face. In MCU a person having stones on a stupid glove can give them the power to basically sneeze away the entire universe, meanwhile, what's her face can fly though ships without breaking a nail.
Basically, SW has gone full MCU and both are extremely lame. I can't wait for people to write good stories again.
The chewie deal was a typical cheap, poorly done abrams movie sideshow. But i cared so little anymore after tlj i read spoilers first. If i hadnt read spoilers, it was so clumsy and ham handed that i would probably have guessed it anyway.M.C. Swag said:lol That's such an absurd take but I hope you were happy with your uNpReDicTaBle death/not death of Chewie.cbr said:I could tell the second solo walked onto that plank that was going to happen. I thought it was predicatably bad, with a clumsy script, and a waste of the best character in the series. It was so hoaky i couldn even get sad about it.M.C. Swag said:...excuse me? that was one of the few beautiful/gut wrenching scenes in this new trilogy.cbr said:You mean the scene where is just a plain ole daylight ghost, made necessary by the ridiculously pathetic killing off of solo in the first place?fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
Look, tros was an enjoyable kiddie movie with a few deeper afterthoughts and some good acting. Some Good effects, some really bad cartoon bad. But abrams has never done anything with any logic, plot consistency, intelligent pacing, or any depth - at least since forever young. He's all about catapulting stormtroopers with innacurate mortar rounds, sideshows and plot holes, cheap chewie /c3po killoffs, power ranger suits, etc.
it was Kylo's conscience (or conscious depending on a certain point of view)... as someone else stated, it was the way TFA should have gone and Kylo knows this now. it took Leia, Rey and Han to bring him back.
That is a very telling statement, but its probably not so much a commentary on the world of Star Wars as the direction the shooting took. The reason more "invested" in Endgame is the writers/story art being laid down made you come to know and CARE about the characters more. Star Wars Disney refused to slow down or spend enough time to get you to care about the new ones as much as you wanted to, and completely sacrificed the power that still having most of the original cast at hand at the time of TFA could have given them to "bracket" the old with the new and get you to care. The postmodernist undercurrent along with sjw to just somewhat "sideline" the classic was a mortal decision. Even the JJ ones kind of do it.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Right there with you regarding investment in Endgame vs Skywalker. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the hell out of Skywalker.Farmer1906 said:Living Legend said:
It's time for you Star Wars fanboys to admit that the MCU is a much better franchise than Star Wars.
The MCU has mind of ruined Star Wars for me. I was 100x more invested in Endgame than Skywalker. I've been a bigger SW fan for as long as I can remember.
In different hands, Star Wars could have had you caring about the characters just as much. Its not like there wasn't rich enough background to pain a story on. But instead they went for a certain constant linking of callbacks, and then here and there trying to `subvert' an expectation. But subverting expectations when you haven't succeeded in getting the viewer invested is kind of futile. Then every death or non-death just becomes a cheap gimmick.
Regarding MCU it has its own catch-22s as aTmAg's post above pointed out. That is an equally valid take --the element damaging Star Wars is the degree to which it HAS become MCU, rather than where it is not. It doesn't have MCU's care toward character development -- but ironically tends to a super-hero/super power tone more fitting MCU. Even the fleet battle is an absurdity when you realize how Marvelesque it became when you realize the "just people" coalition fleet arriving is enough to just straight out win the battle and wipe out all of the Sith fleet (and presumably some of the First Order too)
None of this really takes away from the fact that Abrams semi-managed to "land" this thing in a fitting way, but it does help explain what seems so like you haven't left with much compared to the days of the OT. As said above, I also think it is because you aren't allowed to absorb any particular moment.
I thought TFA did a great job of introducing the new trio. And I thought they were cast extremely well. Likable characters with good chemistry. Once again though, this is something that TLJ ****ed up by introducing Rose. This was a missed opportunity to bond the 3, or at least Poe and Finn, even more. But Rian Johnson added a 5th wheel instead
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In both, the heros/villains are too ridiculously powerful. Palpatine apparently could destroy an entire fleet with electricity from his hands given enough time and Rey can defeat that with two light sabers and a sufficiently angry face. In MCU a person having stones on a stupid glove can give them the power to basically sneeze away the entire universe, meanwhile, what's her face can fly though ships without breaking a nail.
Basically, SW has gone full MCU and both are extremely lame. I can't wait for people to write good stories again.
The main difference is that MCU is after all, derived from the world of comics and Marvel Universe, where the ridiculously over-powered or fantastic is routine. So is resurrection for that matter -- nothing special about 33 AD in Marvel. Its easily one of the more off-putting odd elements of something otherwise can got much enjoyment from in earlier days. In Marvel terms, one figure that might have been able to deal with Thanos was Galactus. I hadn't ruled out Endgame upping the ante with involving some of the beings like that which in another timeline might be fore-warned to intervene.
But Star Was is not the MCU, wasn't ever supposed to be, and that they can now seem similar is itself the big red-flag and clue of your post. Endor would never have been even passably believable if done like TROS did in its "remake" of the scene. Palpatine is not omnipotent in ROTJ --- he just feels he has the "read" of his opponents so well he just is not worried about being killed. (and in off-screen lore, as a Sith may not even mind it if it ushers in his successor) The thing that most distinguishes the MCU apart from super-powered figures is a seemingly inexhaustible supply of logistics and tech. OT had some of that, but you got the impression that building two Death Stars was stretching things -- at Endor it seems to be about 30 imperial ships and the command ship --- not thousands (even though the Empire clearly possess far more--they are spread through the galaxy; limits again ) --- the Disney verse has done away with even the appearance on construction limits.
Brian Earl Spilner said:fat girlfriend said:
I think the scene with Han and Ben is the best scene in the entire Star Wars corpus. The whole movie - the whole sequel trilogy - was worth it if for nothing else but that scene. It was wonderful.
It was good, but it felt like a cheat. Han is dead and is not a Jedi, thus breaking the tradition of only showing force ghosts. Making it a vision was a pretty flimsy excuse. Don't kill him if you still want to use him.
To me, that would've been a perfect opportunity to have Anakin show up. Considering Kylo's worship of Vader, seeing Anakin in his true form might have been the final push he needed to bring him to the light, not to mention might actually fulfill the "bringing balance to the force" prophecy.
It was supposed to be leia redeeming kylo but once carrie Fisher died that was scrapped. Harrison Ford on set was an early spy report. If anakin showed up, you would think kylo wouldn't believe him based on palpatine being every voice inside his head, including vader.
A lot of this goes back to Star Wars being, in a lot of ways, a real, lived-in universe. It had some tweaks, obviously, but it was dirty and constrained. Darth Vader was powerful and ominous because he could lift someone off the ground and Force choke. Now Force-users can do pretty much anything and both sides have thousands of ships. It's power escalation on steroids.
There's not a world with characters in which a story takes place, there's two different plots (different from story) that the world and characters are wrenched around to make it work.
There's not a world with characters in which a story takes place, there's two different plots (different from story) that the world and characters are wrenched around to make it work.
i'll leave out TLJ character history, as they just deliberately **** on everything good about all the characters.DannyDuberstein said:
I thought TFA did a great job of introducing the new trio. And I thought they were cast extremely well. Likable characters with good chemistry. Once again though, this is something that TLJ ****ed up by introducing Rose. This was a missed opportunity to bond the 3, or at least Poe and Finn, even more. But Rian Johnson added a 5th wheel instead
i thought rey was great character and really well cast, though a bit too similar to Luke in a huge galaxy, and a little underdeveloped.
i liked the idea of poe a lot, and he was well cast. however, i have to seriously disagree with how they handled him, even outside of tlj. though supposedly a great pilot, that never mattered, and they made him basically suck at everything else, which is not my idea of a great character arc, especially at the end
'oh the people will come and save us! that's my plan' ..... 'oh i'm sorry guys, i suck'
come on.
i hated finn. frumpy, idiotic character who adds nothing but very, very lame attempts at comedy. the idea of a turned stormtrooper was cool, but everything else about him sucks.
'sorry guys, i'm gonna run' see ya.
The funny thing is that I was, in fact, an emotional wreck at the end of TROS. TFA did a good job at creating some new characters that were interesting and worth liking. TLJ took a dump on them. TLJ was set mere minutes after the end of TFA. While there is not much indication of just how much time Rey spent on Achto (whatever that island planet was called), it surely was not nearly enough for Rey to become such a bad-ass Jedi as to rush in to face Snoke/Kylo Ren as she did. Poe was neutered to the point of being a brash fly-boy with no redeeming value. Finn was completely wasted in that movie. So JJ did a great job of bringing me back to actually caring somewhat about these characters in the final act, but I think I was such an emotional wreck not because the film was the end of these characters' storylines, but because it was the end of the Skywalker saga that for me began when I was 10 years old in June 1977.titan said:That is a very telling statement, but its probably not so much a commentary on the world of Star Wars as the direction the shooting took. The reason more "invested" in Endgame is the writers/story art being laid down made you come to know and CARE about the characters more. Star Wars Disney refused to slow down or spend enough time to get you to care about the new ones as much as you wanted to, and completely sacrificed the power that still having most of the original cast at hand at the time of TFA could have given them to "bracket" the old with the new and get you to care. The postmodernist undercurrent along with sjw to just somewhat "sideline" the classic was a mortal decision. Even the JJ ones kind of do it.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Right there with you regarding investment in Endgame vs Skywalker. And I say that as someone who enjoyed the hell out of Skywalker.Farmer1906 said:Living Legend said:
It's time for you Star Wars fanboys to admit that the MCU is a much better franchise than Star Wars.
The MCU has mind of ruined Star Wars for me. I was 100x more invested in Endgame than Skywalker. I've been a bigger SW fan for as long as I can remember.
In different hands, Star Wars could have had you caring about the characters just as much. Its not like there wasn't rich enough background to pain a story on. But instead they went for a certain constant linking of callbacks, and then here and there trying to `subvert' an expectation. But subverting expectations when you haven't succeeded in getting the viewer invested is kind of futile. Then every death or non-death just becomes a cheap gimmick.
Regarding MCU it has its own catch-22s as aTmAg's post above pointed out. That is an equally valid take --the element damaging Star Wars is the degree to which it HAS become MCU, rather than where it is not. It doesn't have MCU's care toward character development -- but ironically tends to a super-hero/super power tone more fitting MCU. Even the fleet battle is an absurdity when you realize how Marvelesque it became when you realize the "just people" coalition fleet arriving is enough to just straight out win the battle and wipe out all of the Sith fleet (and presumably some of the First Order too)
None of this really takes away from the fact that Abrams semi-managed to "land" this thing in a fitting way, but it does help explain what seems so like you haven't left with much compared to the days of the OT. As said above, I also think it is because you aren't allowed to absorb any particular moment.
Overall, the sequel trilogy is mostly a big bag of average. Even including TLJ, it's not an utterly worthless set of films, but it's also not a set of movies that I am compelled to rewatch endless times as I have with both the preceding trilogies. I was never so invested in these characters as I was in the previous films' characters, and the linkage of these new characters to the originals - sans Kylo Ren - was not strong enough, even with Rey ultimately being a Palpatine. So I probably rate this entire trilogy as one might expect given what I've stated - TROS and TFA rated right about in the middle, but TLJ as the worst of the worst.
aTmAg said:
To me, Star Wars has become merely another MCU. I couldn't get myself to care about End Game anymore than Skwalker. At least Star Wars doesn't have those scenes where everybody lines up, waits for the camera to pan to them so they can take their turn doing their pre-fight flex pose. I pull my eyeball rolling muscles every time MCU does that. Otherwise, both are little more than a couple hours of ridiculous fight scenes where in the end, all the good guys have to do is grit their teeth harder and grunt louder than the bad guys to win.
In both, the heros/villains are too ridiculously powerful. Palpatine apparently could destroy an entire fleet with electricity from his hands given enough time and Rey can defeat that with two light sabers and a sufficiently angry face. In MCU a person having stones on a stupid glove can give them the power to basically sneeze away the entire universe, meanwhile, what's her face can fly though ships without breaking a nail.
Basically, SW has gone full MCU and both are extremely lame. I can't wait for people to write good stories again.
This is a little harsh, or you missed the point, or you are purposely leaving out details to fit your narrative .
It is very obvious Rey called on, and received, the power of all Jedi who came before her. They foreshadowed this earlier in the movie when she tried, and failed, to call upon the Jedi ancestors during her training with Leia. It wasn't just an angry face and two light sabers...
What does that even mean?
Why didn't Luke do that? He was the last Jedi too.
Why didn't Luke do that? He was the last Jedi too.
k2aggie07 said:
What does that even mean?
Why didn't Luke do that? He was the last Jedi too.
Did you watch the movie?
The only answer....Because the plot didn't demand it
Yes. What does it mean she received the power of all the Jedi? This is a stupid meaningless deus ex machina.
Regardless...it is what happened in the movie. Rey didn't just have two lightsabers and an angry face. Not defending the plot, but it is what happened.
I think he's was being more than a bit facetious. The reason it's stupid is because st the end of the day that IS what happened. She made an angry face and used two lightsabers and ta da she wins.
If they wanted her to win by the power of all the Jedi, they should have shown that. Not had them talk to her then her do it by saying "I'm all the Jedi" blah blah blah.
If they wanted her to win by the power of all the Jedi, they should have shown that. Not had them talk to her then her do it by saying "I'm all the Jedi" blah blah blah.
They set it up about 2-3 times ahead of the final scene. I'm not saying it's not a deus ex machina, but it was at least set up and not completely out of the blue.k2aggie07 said:
I think he's was being more than a bit facetious. The reason it's stupid is because st the end of the day that IS what happened. She made an angry face and used two lightsabers and ta da she wins.
If they wanted her to win by the power of all the Jedi, they should have shown that. Not had them talk to her then her do it by saying "I'm all the Jedi" blah blah blah.
k2aggie07 said:
I think he's was being more than a bit facetious. The reason it's stupid is because st the end of the day that IS what happened. She made an angry face and used two lightsabers and ta da she wins.
If they wanted her to win by the power of all the Jedi, they should have shown that. Not had them talk to her then her do it by saying "I'm all the Jedi" blah blah blah.
I don't think aTmAg was being facetious, judging by his posting history on this board.
I feel like they did show her use the power of all the Jedi. What other way were they supposed to show it? The force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Mace, etc. appear and literally help her repel the lightning?
That's why it makes even less sense. She was trying to reach out to past Jedi but that would not be for the same purpose as the last time. And they never explain or show what that means or why. You just hear some random voices.
It's doubly silly because Palpatine being all the Sith is kind of an evil thing. It's done by killing succession. It's just bad writing.
It's doubly silly because Palpatine being all the Sith is kind of an evil thing. It's done by killing succession. It's just bad writing.
I think superheros comics/movies (where people put on leotards) have always been hard to take serious. Nolan's Batman is the only one I think is good, because at least he's a normal guy and his costume is meant to be functional. I haven't read comics since I was a kid, so i wasn't exposed to Thanos, Iron man, or any of that until I saw the movies.titan said:Quote:
In both, the heros/villains are too ridiculously powerful. Palpatine apparently could destroy an entire fleet with electricity from his hands given enough time and Rey can defeat that with two light sabers and a sufficiently angry face. In MCU a person having stones on a stupid glove can give them the power to basically sneeze away the entire universe, meanwhile, what's her face can fly though ships without breaking a nail.
Basically, SW has gone full MCU and both are extremely lame. I can't wait for people to write good stories again.
The main difference is that MCU is after all, derived from the world of comics and Marvel Universe, where the ridiculously over-powered or fantastic is routine. So is resurrection for that matter -- nothing special about 33 AD in Marvel. Its easily one of the more off-putting odd elements of something otherwise can got much enjoyment from in earlier days. In Marvel terms, one figure that might have been able to deal with Thanos was Galactus. I hadn't ruled out Endgame upping the ante with involving some of the beings like that which in another timeline might be fore-warned to intervene.
But Star Was is not the MCU, wasn't ever supposed to be, and that they can now seem similar is itself the big red-flag and clue of your post. Endor would never have been even passably believable if done like TROS did in its "remake" of the scene. Palpatine is not omnipotent in ROTJ --- he just feels he has the "read" of his opponents so well he just is not worried about being killed. (and in off-screen lore, as a Sith may not even mind it if it ushers in his successor) The thing that most distinguishes the MCU apart from super-powered figures is a seemingly inexhaustible supply of logistics and tech. OT had some of that, but you got the impression that building two Death Stars was stretching things -- at Endor it seems to be about 30 imperial ships and the command ship --- not thousands (even though the Empire clearly possess far more--they are spread through the galaxy; limits again ) --- the Disney verse has done away with even the appearance on construction limits.
It seems that they have to keep outdoing themselves. They sell comic books with Villan X, until that runs it's course. Then they have to keep readers interested by making villan Y even more powerful than X. Several decades of doing that, you got guys like Thanos who are way over the top. You can then either have weaker protagonists win via some lame plot device (like a million ships show up at once just at the nick if time), or make the protagonist equally powerful (like captain marvel). Either way it's pretty damn predictable. Even when MCU threw in the "twist" of having half of the heros die, nobody took that serious. We all knew the they wouldn't stay dead. Eventually after an hour of watching done.
I just don't get what the MCU hype is all about. And now that SW has followed suit, it's lost much of it greatness, IMO
Possibly today especially they are. My big period of reading them was things like the John Byrne art era X-Men and those were always intensely character-based and usually did not get into even the most powerful having it all their own way. The powerful villain, Magneto, was a nuanced character not entirely wicked (not unlike how the movies have managed to capture) and you didn't get this "ever bigger Steppinwolf" kind of escalation you are talking about. In the later 90's it does seem to have gone that way. Thanos belonged to the more `cosmic' side of things, and they rarely overlapped, and even the great showdowns when they happened were somewhat "self-contained" within the larger universe. Its hard to describe. But of course the MCU and Infinity Gauntlet does take much from a pre-existing story. Yet the days of Jim Starlin and that Dreadstar or Captain Mar-vel tales again was not flash over-powering characterization.aTmAg said:I think superheros comics/movies (where people put on leotards) have always been hard to take serious. Nolan's Batman is the only one I think is good, because at least he's a normal guy and his costume is meant to be functional. I haven't read comics since I was a kid, so i wasn't exposed to Thanos, Iron man, or any of that until I saw the movies.titan said:Quote:
In both, the heros/villains are too ridiculously powerful. Palpatine apparently could destroy an entire fleet with electricity from his hands given enough time and Rey can defeat that with two light sabers and a sufficiently angry face. In MCU a person having stones on a stupid glove can give them the power to basically sneeze away the entire universe, meanwhile, what's her face can fly though ships without breaking a nail.
Basically, SW has gone full MCU and both are extremely lame. I can't wait for people to write good stories again.
The main difference is that MCU is after all, derived from the world of comics and Marvel Universe, where the ridiculously over-powered or fantastic is routine. So is resurrection for that matter -- nothing special about 33 AD in Marvel. Its easily one of the more off-putting odd elements of something otherwise can got much enjoyment from in earlier days. In Marvel terms, one figure that might have been able to deal with Thanos was Galactus. I hadn't ruled out Endgame upping the ante with involving some of the beings like that which in another timeline might be fore-warned to intervene.
But Star Was is not the MCU, wasn't ever supposed to be, and that they can now seem similar is itself the big red-flag and clue of your post. Endor would never have been even passably believable if done like TROS did in its "remake" of the scene. Palpatine is not omnipotent in ROTJ --- he just feels he has the "read" of his opponents so well he just is not worried about being killed. (and in off-screen lore, as a Sith may not even mind it if it ushers in his successor) The thing that most distinguishes the MCU apart from super-powered figures is a seemingly inexhaustible supply of logistics and tech. OT had some of that, but you got the impression that building two Death Stars was stretching things -- at Endor it seems to be about 30 imperial ships and the command ship --- not thousands (even though the Empire clearly possess far more--they are spread through the galaxy; limits again ) --- the Disney verse has done away with even the appearance on construction limits.
That is what seems to be happening now -- perhaps in movies even more than comics. (There are seemingly hundreds of superheros now (and villains presumably) -- couldn't possibly keep up with the comics now even if wanted to like the days of the 80's) But its not just MCU type movies -- the various spy or `epic chase' kind of movies are getting more and more like the Matrix and less like anything conceivable in real life each day.Quote:
It seems that they have to keep outdoing themselves. They sell comic books with Villan X, until that runs it's course. Then they have to keep readers interested by making villan Y even more powerful than X. Several decades of doing that, you got guys like Thanos who are way over the top. You can then either have weaker protagonists win via some lame plot device (like a million ships show up at once just at the nick if time), or make the protagonist equally powerful (like captain marvel). Either way it's pretty damn predictable. Even when MCU threw in the "twist" of having half of the heros die, nobody took that serious. We all knew the they wouldn't stay dead. Eventually after an hour of watching done.
I just don't get what the hype is all about
Almost completely lost is something like how in Wrath of Khan a single ship like the captured Reliant can be a deadly threat. Or in TESB it was six Empire ships and they were more than menace enough to Hoth and the Rebel Alliance. That seems so "gone" now. Then there is the "kinetic" wildly moving nature of the battles. That wild "swarm" fighting even spilled over into `Midway' a bit -- fortunately there was no way to make the four Japanese carriers into 40 of them.
How come Palpatine's son (Rey's father) wasn't some badass force user that stirred sheet up in the SW universe?
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maybe the midichlorians skipped a generation... or maybe he was lazy and a disappointment like Anthony SopranoLaser Wolf said:
How come Palpatine's son (Rey's father) wasn't some badass force user that stirred sheet up in the SW universe?
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