Was it perfect? Nope but I still really enjoyed it. It tied a bow on the story from my childhood in a way I needed after the disappointment of TLJ.
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I don't understand the disappointment and dislike for TLJ. And I think if you disliked TLJ then you must have really disliked TROS?
Critic reviews, imdb, metacritic all sort of point to this last installment being worse than the previous two. Only thing that varies wildly is RT user score...
Critic reviews, imdb, metacritic all sort of point to this last installment being worse than the previous two. Only thing that varies wildly is RT user score...
That's because Rotten Tomatoes changed their user rating system in between the release of the two movies.
When TLJ came out you could vote on a movie an unlimited amount of times, so I could program a bot to keep rating it poorly over and over again. Now, you have to have an account to rate a movie and can only do it once.
When TLJ came out you could vote on a movie an unlimited amount of times, so I could program a bot to keep rating it poorly over and over again. Now, you have to have an account to rate a movie and can only do it once.
evan_aggie said:
I don't understand the disappointment and dislike for TLJ. And I think if you disliked TLJ then you must have really disliked TROS?
Critic reviews, imdb, metacritic all sort of point to this last installment being worse than the previous two. Only thing that varies wildly is RT user score...
How can you not understand the hate for that garbage TLJ?
It's been well established that not all of us think it's garbage. I understand not liking parts of it - canto bite is dumb af - but the hate for it is weird.
That was the exact phrase I was thinking before I left the theater. Tied a lot of bows.80s Guy said:
Was it perfect? Nope but I still really enjoyed it. It tied a bow on the story from my childhood in a way I needed after the disappointment of TLJ.
Aggie_Journalist said:
C3PO not being allowed to translate sith reminds me of the German ban on Nazi imagery. Everyone knows nothing good will come of that and it's banished for good reason.
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Bo Darville said:evan_aggie said:
I don't understand the disappointment and dislike for TLJ. And I think if you disliked TLJ then you must have really disliked TROS?
Critic reviews, imdb, metacritic all sort of point to this last installment being worse than the previous two. Only thing that varies wildly is RT user score...
How can you not understand the hate for that garbage TLJ?
Like I said: if TLJ is garbage then TROS was a flaming pile of poop. My wife fell asleep twice and she enjoyed all of the other recent ones. I checked my the time during the movie because it was dragging...
evan_aggie said:Bo Darville said:evan_aggie said:
I don't understand the disappointment and dislike for TLJ. And I think if you disliked TLJ then you must have really disliked TROS?
Critic reviews, imdb, metacritic all sort of point to this last installment being worse than the previous two. Only thing that varies wildly is RT user score...
How can you not understand the hate for that garbage TLJ?
Like I said: if TLJ is garbage then TROS was a flaming pile of poop. My wife fell asleep twice and she enjoyed all of the other recent ones. I checked my the time during the movie because it was dragging...
Two things. It makes perfect sense for people that didn't like TLJ to like ROS, considering their drastically different approaches to the story and how it's told. I also don't really understand feeling like it dragged, considering most people seem to feel it was almost too frantic at times. Too each his own though.
Are we talking about the same movie? You're the first person I've seen who didn't think it would benefit from being slowed down a little. You might not have liked it, but it was about as fast-paced a movie as I've seen. Certainly much faster than TLJ.
TLJ was a much different movie than TROS in several ways, from plot to characterization to pacing to theme to political stance.
TLJ was a much different movie than TROS in several ways, from plot to characterization to pacing to theme to political stance.
Saw ROS today for Christmas in IMAX. I tell you, what JJ has done is nothing less than a miracle. I hated TLJ as much or more than anyone here, and I won't ever forgive RJ for breaking Star Wars. IMO, JJ fixed it. Bravo!
Much better than the last two. I was glad to see the darker elements to the trilogy brought back. I will say that the character development was better than expected, but I thought the writing was pretty bad. The storyline felt formulaic and predictable.
Got back from IMAX. Agree with everyone saying that JJ patched what Rian turned into a turd back into something commendable. He brought back the star wars feeling of my youth in the last half of the movie. I thank him greatly for that. Only big complaint was that we didnt really get to see the knights of Ren in much action. The fight at the end with Ren really didnt do them justice.
Other than that, I am much happier with this story and where JJ took it.
Thank you JJ and f you Rian.
Other than that, I am much happier with this story and where JJ took it.
Thank you JJ and f you Rian.
7nine
As mentioned on MuckRaker96's own thread "I liked Rise of Skywalker" --- I only got to see it today as well. I immediately have begun reading this spoiler-laden thread as have been wanting to see the opinions but didn't want things given away. (I knew about Palpatine return and think it the weakest element -- so the spoilers would have been other details)
I had a question --- I have noticed several saying Leia sacrificed her son to save Rey by distracting him. Is that really how all read it? It seemed to me more a question of timing --- she reached across the gulf of space to try to speak to him, turn him--- and because of that distraction, Rey runs him through. So the consensus is Leia set that timing up intentionally? It looked incidental -- and to me partly explained why she then expires at once with the blow to Ben; not just all energy gone, but heartbroken. I will have to watch closer second time see it.
ps: Really found making ANH era Star Destroyers dwarf even the newer First Order craft and dreadnaught in power just a needless example of constantly "on-upping" from before. The return of an absolute Sith Master was more than enough.
About to cross 500 million, but the rest of this article ranking the Star Wars movies will make many here angry, quite angry.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/25/rise-of-skywalker-tops-500m-star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#6c5dd12d2e73
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/25/rise-of-skywalker-tops-500m-star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#6c5dd12d2e73
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Rian Johnson's "do what you want, just come home before dark" Force Awakens follow-up is not great because it's a Star Wars film. It reasserts Star Wars as a top-tier franchise by being the best blockbuster movie, give-or-take Mad Max: Fury Road, since The Dark Knight. It's a visually dazzling movie, one that plays with the narratives of both Empire and Jedi while subverting our expectations. It also is a rebuttal to entertainment consumption based around "solving the mystery" or "Easter Eggs." With the best (live-action) performance of Mark Hamill's career, dynamite action sequences and a story that confronts and critiques Star Wars' pop culture legacy (and its older fans) while affirming its value for today's kids, The Last Jedi is the best movie ever made in the Star Wars saga.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
I agree with you. It's also clear that Rey didn't really want to kill him, so it was timing.Quote:
I had a question --- I have noticed several saying Leia sacrificed her son to save Rey by distracting him. Is that really how all read it? It seemed to me more a question of timing --- she reached across the gulf of space to try to speak to him, turn him--- and because of that distraction, Rey runs him through.
Yes, that too. Just never read it as Leia `setting him up' deliberately.Body By Fisher said:I agree with you. It's also clear that Rey didn't really want to kill him, so it was timing.Quote:
I had a question --- I have noticed several saying Leia sacrificed her son to save Rey by distracting him. Is that really how all read it? It seemed to me more a question of timing --- she reached across the gulf of space to try to speak to him, turn him--- and because of that distraction, Rey runs him through.
BenFiasco,
That quote just above is a hoot!
Just rewatched TFA. JJ did a great job bringing this trilogy full circle and giving that movie some sort of meaning. It really is a shame what Rian Johnson did following that movie. TFA was "safe" and a rehashed story, but it set up plenty of plot points to be knocked out of the park. RJ made almost all of them meaningless, and it took a frantic paced "safe" and somewhat rehashed final movie just do undo RJ's misdirection.
In football terms, JJ drew up a basic pitch play to the outside, with blockers perfectly set up for a long run to be had. RJ then brought the receiver around for a reverse that was nearly blown up for a 10 yard loss. JJ came back with the double reverse and returned to course where the blockers were able to chip their guys just enough for a 3 yard gain.
In football terms, JJ drew up a basic pitch play to the outside, with blockers perfectly set up for a long run to be had. RJ then brought the receiver around for a reverse that was nearly blown up for a 10 yard loss. JJ came back with the double reverse and returned to course where the blockers were able to chip their guys just enough for a 3 yard gain.
oragator said:
About to cross 500 million, but the rest of this article ranking the Star Wars movies will make many here angry, quite angry.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/25/rise-of-skywalker-tops-500m-star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#6c5dd12d2e73
The guy that wrote that article has been bleeding for the last week with multiple articles over TLJ being **** on by TROS.
Also I was too embarrassed to admit on my first post, but this was the first star wars to make me tear up. I've had lots of emotion throughout many episodes. From seeing the Falcon again to Chewy losing it when Han died, but when Chewy fell to his knees after hearing Leia had died, it was too much. Chewy has always had a special love for her.
Rian seemed to want to say "F all your heroes, this is a new story and new generation so out with the old." And JJ brought it back to a tribute to the what this franchise was primarily about. The Skywalkers.
Rian seemed to want to say "F all your heroes, this is a new story and new generation so out with the old." And JJ brought it back to a tribute to the what this franchise was primarily about. The Skywalkers.
7nine
Same movie. You are right though, I did not choose my words carefully.
It did cram a lot into it and was more fast paced than others. But I felt like I was watching National Treasure - The Rise of Skywalker. And scenes that were sort of cobbled together and crammed packed were also ill timed in dragging them out. I got bored...thought, "ok already, find your little cube and go blow them up already...I've been in this theater for almost 2 hrs and you are just now getting to the sith ceremony.
Someone else said it best: the movie could have been made into 2, but instead that threw so much crap Onto the canvas it lessened the nice parts that were there.
Here is one critics comment that nicely summarizes my take:
" So this is what the cultural logic of end-point franchise cinema looks like. Something witless, soulless, and a colossally boring experience to boot."
It did cram a lot into it and was more fast paced than others. But I felt like I was watching National Treasure - The Rise of Skywalker. And scenes that were sort of cobbled together and crammed packed were also ill timed in dragging them out. I got bored...thought, "ok already, find your little cube and go blow them up already...I've been in this theater for almost 2 hrs and you are just now getting to the sith ceremony.
Someone else said it best: the movie could have been made into 2, but instead that threw so much crap Onto the canvas it lessened the nice parts that were there.
Here is one critics comment that nicely summarizes my take:
" So this is what the cultural logic of end-point franchise cinema looks like. Something witless, soulless, and a colossally boring experience to boot."
2nd viewing last night - just as good if not better the second time. I did not feel confused or lost due to the frantic pace during the early parts as I understood what was going on and could just roll with it and also pick up on more detail. Likewise the Han, Leia and Luke moments were just gold knowing or even anticipating they were coming and considering all the context to come after. Really focused on Kylo especially in the last 1/3 and he just killed it - best performance in any SW movie. Knowing the emperors role I didn't over analyze it and just appreciated it more I think. And the ending celebration moments just all rang true - especially Rey on Tatooine as a perfect ending.
I think this will grow over time, or at least certainly not wane the way TFA did.
Solid movie, great ending to the franchise. Love it. Bravo JJ.
I think this will grow over time, or at least certainly not wane the way TFA did.
Solid movie, great ending to the franchise. Love it. Bravo JJ.
I like the idea that I read earlier that it would have been better to go with Plagueis as the big bad. Another part that felt like it was trying to be Endgame was where Palps said, "I am all of the sith", and then you get the response from Rey with the dramatic pause of being all of the Jedi. That comment fell a little flat with me, otherwise I enjoyed the way they did that whole scene.
Yes. The more I think about it, the more it appeals. Plagueis would have fulfilled all the criteria of the "villain" and "menace" needed for the story, was in the movie canon, so didn't involve going outside it per-se, and would have more naturally fit the apex of power and longevity "coming back to bite" that was how Palpatine-preserved was being played. It would make Rey's action given her lineage (you don't tie her to Plagueis) even more fateful in regard to the fate of the Sith in the end. Plagueis saying that line about "all the Sith", with all the mystery of someone Palpatine had invoked (again speaking in movie canon terms which is Disney's insistence) would ring better with someone known for having sought to cheat death and be eternal in some way.I Have Spoken said:
I like the idea that I read earlier that it would have been better to go with Plagueis as the big bad. Another part that felt like it was trying to be Endgame was where Palps said, "I am all of the sith", and then you get the response from Rey with the dramatic pause of being all of the Jedi. That comment fell a little flat with me, otherwise I enjoyed the way they did that whole scene.
When I go back to watch it, I am going to make that mental change in mind, and see if enjoy all the better the elements that did work. I suspect yes.
Yes, that was another thing really disliked. Not only was Rian seeming to say that, he was basically invoking too postmodernist a slant and attitude. It only made his obvious trashing of the past in the real-life treatment of the characters and saga -- all the more annoying and obvious to put "in-universe" too.Texaggie7nine said:
Also I was too embarrassed to admit on my first post, but this was the first star wars to make me tear up. I've had lots of emotion thorough many episodes. From seeing the Falcon again to Chewy losing it when Han died, but when Chewy fell to his knees after hearing Leia had died, it was too much. Chewy has always had a special love for her.
Rian seemed to want to say "F all your heroes, this is a new story and new generation so out with the old." And JJ brought it back to a tribute to the what this franchise was primarily about. The Skywalkers.
I'm a little upset there wasn't even a slight attempt to help us understand that the opening scene was on Mustafar. That visual guide mentions why the landscape is different, but for all I know that's just a cheap way to tie in Mustafar that was neither intended nor sanctioned by JJ.
It was? Your right. That's pretty important. I gathered in a retroactive sense as Kylo is flying to Exogol that he had been raiding some kind of Sith stronghold with artifacts and wiping out its guardians. But it seemed very rushed and not much of a fight. The world looked nothing like Mustafar. Interesting.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'm a little upset there wasn't even a slight attempt to help us understand that the opening scene was on Mustafar. That visual guide mentions why the landscape is different, but for all I know that's just a cheap way to tie in Mustafar that was neither intended nor sanctioned by JJ.
Speaking of confusing locations --- its still not quite clear --- was the remnant of the Death Star-II in the ocean on Endor "forest moon" itself just elsewhere on it? Or, was it an adjacent world also like Endor orbiting some larger body (didn't catch the name in the Sith decryption scene with C3PO) presumably a gas giant. Its the kind of thing that re-wind of the decryption may clear up but curious if you know.
Nice. Would you mind explaining a couple questions I had?Zombie Jon Snow said:
2nd viewing last night - just as good if not better the second time. I did not feel confused or lost due to the frantic pace during the early parts as I understood what was going on and could just roll with it and also pick up on more detail.
- How is Palpatine still alive?
- What was that banana slug looking guy on the falcon? and like, what exactly can he do with 0 appendages?
- What was the point of light skipping? So now Tie Fighters can still follow them through hyperspace?
- Why did the Sith Fleet (is that what they were called?) need a radio signal to like, just move?
- So wtf, Palpatine had a Son? Who is the mom? Where were they during ALL OF STAR WARS?
- Why did anyone need a dagger map to point them to the throne room of the wrecked Death Star? Wouldn't that literally be the first place someone would look? Like, scavengers alone would be crawling over that looking for valueables.
- What if Rey was standing in literally any other spot? How would the dagger work for any other vantage point?
- How was the sith wayfinder in Kylo's second ship after his first ship (which was carrying it) exploded?
- How did the sexy daft punk lady make it off cajimi before it exploded when she gave Poe her poker chip thingy?
- Why did Sidious electrocute himself again? This is the third time he's done that. Wouldn't he just like, stop?
- What did Finn want to tell Rey? Why did it keep getting brought up if they weren't going to pay that off?
- Has anyone ever died from falling down a pit in Star Wars? Why did Palpatine think that would work against Kylo?
- Dyads? Sith empress? life force? what?
- How did Maz find Luke's lightsaber? Actually, how TF did Rey have it after it was exploded in TLJ?
- So in Empire, Luke is wrecked to learn about Darth being his father and admonishes Yoda for he and Obi keeping that a secret from him...but he and Leia SOMEHOW knew Rey was a Palpatine but neglected to tell her....because why exactly?
TIA.
I Have Spoken said:
I like the idea that I read earlier that it would have been better to go with Plagueis as the big bad. Another part that felt like it was trying to be Endgame was where Palps said, "I am all of the sith", and then you get the response from Rey with the dramatic pause of being all of the Jedi. That comment fell a little flat with me, otherwise I enjoyed the way they did that whole scene.
They could have kept everything the same and made only these changes:
1. Ian McDiarmid is the same except he's not Palpatine he's Plagueis. All you need is some minor dialogue footwork - he is all the Sith, point stands, makes the total arc of "evil" spanning even MORE bad guys (Palpatine, Snoke BOTH become tools rather than the final end).
2. Fleet can still be awesome but instead of being the stupid final-final-srsly we mean it-final-order it can just be the Sith fleet. Instead of new advanced tech, make it ancient Sith planet killing tech, which the Death Star was a dumbed down version of.
Ta da much more epic. Wraps up literally all nine movies, leaves room for some epic Sith background, and the question of "is there one before Plagueis?"
I'm still waiting on the payoff of why a polar bear was in Lost. Maybe this is the answer...M.C. Swag said:Nice. Would you mind explaining a couple questions I had?Zombie Jon Snow said:
2nd viewing last night - just as good if not better the second time. I did not feel confused or lost due to the frantic pace during the early parts as I understood what was going on and could just roll with it and also pick up on more detail.
- How is Palpatine still alive?
- What was that banana slug looking guy on the falcon? and like, what exactly can he do with 0 appendages?
- What was the point of light skipping? So now Tie Fighters can still follow them through hyperspace?
- Why did the Sith Fleet (is that what they were called?) need a radio signal to like, just move?
- So wtf, Palpatine had a Son? Who is the mom? Where were they during ALL OF STAR WARS?
- Why did anyone need a dagger map to point them to the throne room of the wrecked Death Star? Wouldn't that literally be the first place someone would look? Like, scavengers alone would be crawling over that looking for valueables.
- What if Rey was standing in literally any other spot? How would the dagger work for any other vantage point?
- How was the sith wayfinder in Kylo's second ship after his first ship (which was carrying it) exploded?
- How did the sexy daft punk lady make it off cajimi before it exploded when she gave Poe her poker chip thingy?
- Why did Sidious electrocute himself again? This is the third time he's done that. Wouldn't he just like, stop?
- What did Finn want to tell Rey? Why did it keep getting brought up if they weren't going to pay that off?
- Has anyone ever died from falling down a pit in Star Wars? Why did Palpatine think that would work against Kylo?
- Dyads? Sith empress? life force? what?
- How did Maz find Luke's lightsaber? Actually, how TF did Rey have it after it was exploded in TLJ?
- So in Empire, Luke is wrecked to learn about Darth being his father and admonishes Yoda for he and Obi keeping that a secret from him...but he and Leia SOMEHOW knew Rey was a Palpatine but neglected to tell her....because why exactly?
TIA.
Bo Darville said:oragator said:
About to cross 500 million, but the rest of this article ranking the Star Wars movies will make many here angry, quite angry.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/25/rise-of-skywalker-tops-500m-star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#6c5dd12d2e73
The guy that wrote that article has been bleeding for the last week with multiple articles over TLJ being **** on by TROS.
Yeah I saw that article the other day, noticed it was the same guy who been whining about The Rise of Skywalker in other articles, and spotted it for the troll job it was. His reasoning for why TLJ is the best ever is just too cliche-ridden and on the nose to be legit. Everything that BenFiasco quoted is such a load of ****, lol.
He's clearly learned the art of trolling to get "clicks" so he can justify his job in a modern-day world where there are approximately 1,543,739 online movie "critics" all jockeying to make a living out of watching movies.
LOL. Did you see this onFL_Ag1998 said:Bo Darville said:oragator said:
About to cross 500 million, but the rest of this article ranking the Star Wars movies will make many here angry, quite angry.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/12/25/rise-of-skywalker-tops-500m-star-wars-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best/#6c5dd12d2e73
The guy that wrote that article has been bleeding for the last week with multiple articles over TLJ being **** on by TROS.
Yeah I saw that article the other day, noticed it was the same guy who been whining about The Rise of Skywalker in other articles, and spotted it for the troll job it was. His reasoning for why TLJ is the best ever is just too cliche-ridden and on the nose to be legit. Everything that BenFiasco quoted is such a load of ****, lol.
He's clearly learned the art of trolling to get "clicks" so he can justify his job in a modern-day world where there are approximately 1,543,739 online movie "critics" all jockeying to make a living out of watching movies.
Is he talking about President Trump as Chancellor Valorum? Somehow don't think so, but that's exactly what matches.Quote:
Unquestionably successful both commercially (it was the second-biggest global grosser behind Titanic by the end of its initial theatrical run) and culturally (it introduced an entire generation to their own Star Wars story), this first Star Wars prequel feels the most like an old-school Star Wars movie. It's shot on film, and it has leisurely pacing that feels at peace with a 1970's flick. Its political squabbling (concerning a virtuous leader tarred by baseless accusations of scandal so that a diabolical party could take power) was frighteningly prescient.
That review line-up looks bizarre in general- -- doesn't have much correspondence to what you hear most say about any of the films.
By the way, on the thought that some of the TLJ bashing is just "old fans" not young like we were when we saw the OT, it is overlooking one big thing: even as young, in fact especially as teens and 20s --- fans looked for continuity and spotted severe breaks from it. For example: That the Holdo maneuver ruins Jedi by implying all Acbar had to do was ram Vader's ship or even the Death Star to win the battle of Endor--- THAT would have been called BS on by old school fans when they WERE young --precisely for contradicting what had already been established. Light-skipping in hyperspace probably also. Criticism for departure from "in-universe precedents" is as much a provenance of young fans as it is any middle aged.
M.C. Swag said:Nice. Would you mind explaining a couple questions I had?Zombie Jon Snow said:
2nd viewing last night - just as good if not better the second time. I did not feel confused or lost due to the frantic pace during the early parts as I understood what was going on and could just roll with it and also pick up on more detail.
- How is Palpatine still alive?
- What was that banana slug looking guy on the falcon? and like, what exactly can he do with 0 appendages?
- What was the point of light skipping? So now Tie Fighters can still follow them through hyperspace?
- Why did the Sith Fleet (is that what they were called?) need a radio signal to like, just move?
- So wtf, Palpatine had a Son? Who is the mom? Where were they during ALL OF STAR WARS?
- Why did anyone need a dagger map to point them to the throne room of the wrecked Death Star? Wouldn't that literally be the first place someone would look? Like, scavengers alone would be crawling over that looking for valueables.
- What if Rey was standing in literally any other spot? How would the dagger work for any other vantage point?
- How was the sith wayfinder in Kylo's second ship after his first ship (which was carrying it) exploded?
- How did the sexy daft punk lady make it off cajimi before it exploded when she gave Poe her poker chip thingy?
- Why did Sidious electrocute himself again? This is the third time he's done that. Wouldn't he just like, stop?
- What did Finn want to tell Rey? Why did it keep getting brought up if they weren't going to pay that off?
- Has anyone ever died from falling down a pit in Star Wars? Why did Palpatine think that would work against Kylo?
- Dyads? Sith empress? life force? what?
- How did Maz find Luke's lightsaber? Actually, how TF did Rey have it after it was exploded in TLJ?
- So in Empire, Luke is wrecked to learn about Darth being his father and admonishes Yoda for he and Obi keeping that a secret from him...but he and Leia SOMEHOW knew Rey was a Palpatine but neglected to tell her....because why exactly?
TIA.
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