It's all good. Esp. the tipsy part.

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Well, I guess here's to hoping for a Flashpoint reboot where they keep Gal Gadot, Ezra Miller, and Jason Momoa. Everyone else they could recast. Though I liked Affleck as Batman, he gone. I also liked Cavil, but they f-ed up Superman too bad to bring him back (to not fault of Cavil, IMO).

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Saw it this evening and I liked it well enough. Much more so than I liked BvS. Agreed with pretty much everything you said. It jumps around a lot to start, but with having to basically explain every backstory.

And if the DC Universe manages to survive this, please for the love of God recast Luthor you ****ing *******s.

made 2MM less than estimates.

ouch.

I thought it was fine, but the universe screwed up making Superman start out the way they did. This light and fluffy tone is what MoS should have been. WW is fine, Batman was fine, but this movie redeems SM for the universe IMO.

I was fine with how Flash and Cyborg were introduced, they're still so new at their games anwyay. Aquaman is just lucky to be revelent and I don't really care there.

It's hanging by a thread, but I thought it did what it had to do to keep the universe together. Batman needs some work tho.

Vanity Fair tore this movie a new butthole

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/justice-league-review

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Although the Mother Boxes came off as lazy and a rip of the Infinity Stones.

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The funny thing is that Thanos is a ripoff of Darkseid, and the Infinity Stones came after the Mother Boxes

Saw it earlier this evening and it was better than I expected, light years better than BvS (not that that's too hard). I found Flash generally entertaining (if not kind of off tone for the rest of film), but they again showed that they can't figure out how to make stories with multiple characters work.

VFX aside (Steppenwolf's design was nice but he looked straight out of a video game), the first 30 minutes or so were just so clunky. Here's a piece of this person's story, now this person, and this guy, but we're not really going to interconnect them at all.

Even the attempts at connecting didn't really flow. They talk about Flash and how they need to get him and know that he visits his dad, we see him visiting his dad and then...we cut away for other random scenes before we come back to Bruce visiting him at his apartment.

The third act was actually fairly entertaining, though the overall tone was still really odd. Aquaman was entertaining but I never quite got what his powers were as we never really covered him in detail.

I enjoyed it for a popcorn flick, but it paled in storytelling compared to the MCU films.

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IMO the dark undertones of DC is what makes it so much better than marvel. The last marvel movie that was somewhat dark was the punisher 2004. All the people that complained about it being too dark in BvS are now *****ing about it being too light hearted. They should just let snyder have free reign and let him do what he wants. Also affleck didnt feel like batman in this film compared to BvS

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The fact that Marvel doesn't just have one tone is what makes them so much better than DC. And Doctor Strange was actually rather dark, Winter Soldier sure was as was Civil War, Ant-Man went heist film while Ragnarok and the Guardians films are more fun. Also, calling Punisher "somewhat dark" is maybe just a hair biased

Also, why is "dark" necessarily good? IT's great if it's good for the characters, but if it doesn't work you shouldn't do it.

DC went dark with MoS and BvS but the tone wasn't very appropriate, they tried to imitate what worked with the Nolan Batfilms while not understanding why they worked. People aren't *****ing about a film being light hearted in this case, the problem is the inconsistency in tone within the film.

And giving Snyder free reign hasn't been that successful in the past, he can craft some beautiful scenes but isn't a great storyteller.

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And for the love of God Snyder, just knock the slo-mo off. Yes it was cool in 300, but it's over now.

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Annoyed me so much in the WW move. It wasn't Snyder, but that scene when she jumps in to the building for the fight with Nazis was non-stop slow-mo cuts for the entire scene. It's okay for the end knock-out moment, but the entire fight got really old really fast.

Saw it. Giant ball of meh.

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A Lex Luthor origin film might be the only worth while villain-centric film. Basically Citizen Cane set in a comic-book world. Would be an interesting way to bootstart the next iteration of a DCCU.

Speaking of next iteration - assuming they wrap things up after Aquaman and WW2, when could we realistically expect the first film in the next DC universe, or do they just go independent universes? And are they scrapping Shazam! ?

They have not managed to home run with their A list heroes, no sense going to the B & C teams.

And no, Wonder Woman was not a GREAT film. It is good. Not great. Too many people and critics fawning over it.

Scrap Shazam. scrap Cyborg

No one cares.

Keep it batman, superman, WW. An occasional Flash, Aquaman. Maybe a Green Arrow and Green Lantern.

That is it.

No Hawkmen.
No 2nd tier characters.

They blew it. Either this or a full reboot.

I'm not THAT familiar with the story, but isn't the basic premise of Flashpoint a big reboot anyway? If so, I think that would be a good re-starting point.

Then a line of "introduction" stories for the main characters that haven't already been done - Flash, GA, GL, Cyborg, etc. No need to do Superman, Batman, or WW.

THEN a JL movie.





Hmmmmm.....that sounds familiar.....

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I'm not THAT familiar with the story, but isn't the basic premise of Flashpoint a big reboot anyway? If so, I think that would be a good re-starting point.

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Rebooting would require them to own mistakes and be a big embarrassment. Not sure they have it in them.

I told a friend yesterday that the next DC movie should start like Patton, with Geoff Johns walking into the stage in front of the DC logo and apologizing for the DCEU and explaining that the movie you're about to watch is a standalone film and that nothing ties together.

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They have not managed to home run with their A list heroes, no sense going to the B & C teams.

And no, Wonder Woman was not a GREAT film. It is good. Not great. Too many people and critics fawning over it.

Scrap Shazam. scrap Cyborg

No one cares.

Keep it batman, superman, WW. An occasional Flash, Aquaman. Maybe a Green Arrow and Green Lantern.

That is it.

No Hawkmen.
No 2nd tier characters.

They blew it. Either this or a full reboot.

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Yeah, WW, was entertaining and generally well done but gets some extra love for it's cultural relevance. And while there's no denying that and I'm thrilled that little girls have this awesome female character to look up to, that doesn't make it a great film.

As per where to go from here, I'm not sure what the best path forward is. What I find interesting is the low box office despite it being an immensely better film than BvS.

I think the better question than where they go is "what exactly is broken and how do they fix it?"

I give it extra love because Gal Gadot is gorgeous and sweet and just lovely. Still doesn't make it a great film but I love it anyway.

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MooreTrucker said:

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I'm not THAT familiar with the story, but isn't the basic premise of Flashpoint a big reboot anyway? If so, I think that would be a good re-starting point.

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Rebooting would require them to own mistakes and be a big embarrassment. Not sure they have it in them.

I told a friend yesterday that the next DC movie should start like Patton, with Geoff Johns walking into the stage in front of the DC logo and apologizing for the DCEU and explaining that the movie you're about to watch is a standalone film and that nothing ties together.

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A Patton scene like that would be epic and hilarious.

Wouldn't using a "rebooting everything" storyline like Flashpoint alleviate some of that embarrassment, since starting over is the whole point of it?

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I give it extra love because Gal Gadot is gorgeous and sweet and just lovely. Still doesn't make it a great film but I love it anyway.

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Totally acceptable in my book.

I have no problem with people loving what they love, if BvS is your favorite film ever then more power to you. But you've also got to be objective about things

The only problem with using Flashpoint is you need some emotional investment in Barry Allen for it to really work, I think. Obviously we don't have that.

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MooreTrucker said:

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I give it extra love because Gal Gadot is gorgeous and sweet and just lovely. Still doesn't make it a great film but I love it anyway.

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Totally acceptable in my book.

I have no problem with people loving what they love, if BvS is your favorite film ever then more power to you. But you've also got to be objective about things

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Agreed. And Gal is objectively smoking hot.

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MooreTrucker said:

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I give it extra love because Gal Gadot is gorgeous and sweet and just lovely. Still doesn't make it a great film but I love it anyway.

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Totally acceptable in my book.

I have no problem with people loving what they love, if BvS is your favorite film ever then more power to you. But you've also got to be objective about things

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Agreed. And Gal is objectively smoking hot.

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#truth

Justice League made less in its opening weekend that what The Avengers made in it's second weekend.


How do they screw the pooch this badly?

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Sure, things like the sun is coming up in the east tomorrow, or Kevin Sumlin's record has been less than fantastic - I know, that one is bordering on subjective. But in terms of these DC movies, objectivity is not a part of the equation for me. I don't consider any of them to be absolutely great movies; I still like Richard Donner's Superman far more than I've ever liked Synder's Man of Steel. I thought Justice League was a fun time at the movies. It was not a great movie by any stretch. It was too short, with not enough meat to it. Because of that, it felt rushed. There was an inconsistent feel to the movie, the result of having two different pairs of eyes behind the camera (Snyder and Whedon).

Justice League for me will go down as nothing more than a popcorn movie. It will rank behind most other movies that I saw this year, but frankly, this one will be more re-watchable simply because (a) I love these characters and (b) I can put it on the TV and let it play while I'm working on other things; I won't have to sit there and focus on what's going on like I will whenever I re-watch Blade Runner 2049, for instance.

Things I really did like about Justice League: the Wonder Woman lasso scene with Aquaman, the Flash (which I did not expect to like), and the score incorporating themes from Tim Burton's Batman and the aforementioned Man of Steel. The credits said John Williams' theme to Superman was in there, but for some reason I missed hearing that. Would have thought it would have been played when Superman made his entrance into the climactic fight with Steppenwolf.

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Imagine someone ten years ago predicting this headline. They'd have been branded as crazy. This movie has been the ultimate geek wet dream for decades. So bonkers.

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Imagine someone ten years ago predicting this headline. They'd have been branded as crazy. This movie has been the ultimate geek wet dream for decades. So bonkers.

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I'm really curious why it did so poorly right out of the gate. It wasn't great, but it was light years better than BvS.

If nothing else I got a cool pint glass...

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Imagine someone ten years ago predicting this headline. They'd have been branded as crazy. This movie has been the ultimate geek wet dream for decades. So bonkers.

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I'm really curious why it did so poorly right out of the gate. It wasn't great, but it was light years better than BvS.

If nothing else I got a cool pint glass...

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with some of the reviews I've seen, they should've run with the tagline..."we're gonna need a bigger glass"

I'm just hoping the poor ticket sales means they won;t run out of those glasses before I finally get a chance to go see it.