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MooreTrucker
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TCTTS said:


i think the "nothing villain" is the key here. Without a good villain, there's no emotional stakes, etc.

And I thought it was DC that had the good villains and Marvels were kinda sucky.
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M.C. Swag said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

I mean I usually glance at them just to get an idea of what the reception has been, but I never let it influence my thoughts on the movie or let it prevent me from watching something I want to watch.

I've been burned MANY, many times, in both directions. (Really high scores for meh/bad movies, and vice versa.)
Totally agree, but I don't think RT is ever the sole decider of movie goers. If there's a movie I really want to see, I'm seeing it. Star Wars the Last Jedi has my money no matter what. Anything directed by Christopher Nolan has my money, no matter what. I won't allow any RT score to influence my desire of movies I WANT TO SEE.

Where it comes in to play, personally, is for movies I'm either lukewarm on or have no prior knowledge about them. It can be a tie breaker, basically.
This is exactly how I use RT scores and when I think they're useful. A score will never keep me from seeing a movie I really want to see, but it does help me with movies I'm on the fence about. Dark Tower being a perfect example. I never read the books and only vaguely knew the story. If the movie got over an 85 percent, I may have decided to check it out. It got a low score, so I don't really have a desire to see it. I really high score got me to see John Wick in the theaters. The trailer made it look like a generic dumb Keanu Reeves action movie, which it was, but in a totally bad ass way.
Brick Tamland
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**** the critics. I will be there Friday night and will enjoy the movie.

I also liked Man of Steel a lot, and thought Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad were ok.

Been really excited for this movie ever since the first teaser.
TCTTS
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So listening to critics = stupid.

But deciding you're going to like it before even seeing it = cool.

Sure.
YouBet
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Dark Tower was a unique pass for me. I was planning to watch it Friday night because I will almost always watch that genre of movie regardless of reviews because I can usually find something entertaining about it.

In this one case, I read the description on DTV and then noticed the run time was 1h30m. Not that I hadn't already but that was my literal WTF moment with that movie. To condense a 9(?) book magnum opus into one movie that is only 1h30m at that?!

No thanks. I'll never watch it out of protest at this point.
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AgMarauder04 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

TCTTS said:

This is so f-ing weird...


So stupid.

People put way too much stock into those scores. They're ultimately meaningless.
I can count on one closed fist the number of movies I've seen/not seen based on a tomatometer.

I've used the scores for movies where I had no clue. Like when I am visiting family and we are trYing to decide on a movie to go see.
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YouBet said:

Dark Tower was a unique pass for me. I was planning to watch it Friday night because I will almost always watch that genre of movie regardless of reviews because I can usually find something entertaining about it.

In this one case, I read the description on DTV and then noticed the run time was 1h30m. Not that I hadn't already but that was my literal WTF moment with that movie. To condense a 9(?) book magnum opus into one movie that is only 1h30m at that?!

No thanks. I'll never watch it out of protest at this point.


Watched on a place last week. Don't watch it. It's terrible. So bad it made the flight go slower instead of passing time.
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TCTTS said:

So listening to critics = stupid.

But deciding you're going to like it before even seeing it = cool.

Sure.
You can use the same logic for some in the thread that have decided:

Proclaiming it a failure based on history before even seeing it = cool


Also, I'm late to the past 2 pages, looks like all the tweets you quoted have vanished as you just have blank quote boxes now. - Nevermind, they show up now....weird.
MooreTrucker
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MooreTrucker said:

TCTTS said:


i think the "nothing villain" is the key here. Without a good villain, there's no emotional stakes, etc.

And I thought it was DC that had the good villains and Marvels were kinda sucky.
Quoting my own post in order to add this:

Marvel has a villain problem. Thor: Ragnarok is a textbook example.

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A common criticism that follows Marvel Studios is that their movies each have essentially the same plot: reluctant hero finds themselves/their team in possession of a super power or weapon, but then villain finds said power or weapon, and the hero(es) must find it in themselves to save the world but with different superpowers and superheroes. It's a fair critique, but what's even more noticeable is how it underscores the fact that Marvel's villains, no matter how enduring or powerful or enigmatic they are in comic books, often fall flat when they make the leap to the movies.


Brick Tamland
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TCTTS said:

So listening to critics = stupid.

But deciding you're going to like it before even seeing it = cool.

Sure.


Nope. Saying that listening to critics to decide whether or not I see a movie I've wanted to see since it was announced is dumb. I was also just saying I'm going to go enjoy myself and will enjoy it as much as possible. I wasn't sitting here saying the critics are wrong and that it'll be a movie I really like. The negative and lukewarm comments aren't swaying my decision to go at all.

That's what I'm saying.
rhutton125
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Reviews are up.
Quad Dog
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RT score is unhidden on the Flixster App.
AgMarauder04
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Quad Dog said:

RT score is unhidden on the Flixster App.

Better than SS and BvS, not as good as MoS. (from the critics, anyway)
Simplebay
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Just heard from a buddy of mine in the know.

Apparently the studio and Whedon actually saved this film. Prior to the reshoots Snyder had gone full Sucker Punch on this, and it was devoid of anything enjoyable. The final hour was practically reshot. None of the humor and tone was there, and it of course was much longer.

Eeek.

That being said it went from abymysal to simply ok, apparently.

I see it Thursday night.
M.C. Swag
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Simplebay said:

Just heard from a buddy of mine in the know.

Apparently the studio and Whedon actually saved this film. Prior to the reshoots Snyder had gone full Sucker Punch on this, and it was devoid of anything enjoyable. The final hour was practically reshot. None of the humor and tone was there, and it of course was much longer.

Eeek.

That being said it went from abymysal to simply ok, apparently.

I see it Thursday night.
Do you recall at what point Whedon took over? How far along into shooting were they before Snyder stepped aside?
rhutton125
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Isn't this whole Rottentomatoes thing just kind of pushing everyone to check Metacritic instead?
Chad Thunder
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http://boundingintocomics.com/2017/11/14/wonder-womans-gal-gadot-vehemently-condemns-misogynist-sexists/

This is a good marketing strategy by the WB, alienating half your audience. What moron thought this would be a good idea?

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I'm really into the idea of the turning of the tides, and how the last couple thousand years of human history have been so male-dominated in a way that has not always served us clearly, here we are on the brink of destruction and so I wonder if you would say something for me. Would you say into the camera, 'Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over?' I want it so bad. Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over.'

Ezra Miller has turned out to be a horrendous choice for the Flash.
AliasMan02
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The geek media... Twitter, bloggers, etc. will eat this up.
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Chad Thunder said:

http://boundingintocomics.com/2017/11/14/wonder-womans-gal-gadot-vehemently-condemns-misogynist-sexists/

This is a good marketing strategy by the WB, alienating half your audience. What moron thought this would be a good idea?

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I'm really into the idea of the turning of the tides, and how the last couple thousand years of human history have been so male-dominated in a way that has not always served us clearly, here we are on the brink of destruction and so I wonder if you would say something for me. Would you say into the camera, 'Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over?' I want it so bad. Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over.'

Ezra Miller has turned out to be a horrendous choice for the Flash.
what a dip***** Before, I just didn't like the suit, now I don't like the actor in the suit.
AgMarauder04
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Flashdiaz said:

Chad Thunder said:

http://boundingintocomics.com/2017/11/14/wonder-womans-gal-gadot-vehemently-condemns-misogynist-sexists/

This is a good marketing strategy by the WB, alienating half your audience. What moron thought this would be a good idea?

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I'm really into the idea of the turning of the tides, and how the last couple thousand years of human history have been so male-dominated in a way that has not always served us clearly, here we are on the brink of destruction and so I wonder if you would say something for me. Would you say into the camera, 'Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over?' I want it so bad. Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over.'

Ezra Miller has turned out to be a horrendous choice for the Flash.
what a dip***** Before, I just didn't like the suit, now I don't like the actor in the suit.
Props to Gadot for not stooping to his level.
SeattleAgJr
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Hopefully the failure of this movie puts a nail in the Flash movie.

It is really not needed. We have a perfectly good TV series with a much more interesting Flash.
Brian Earl Spilner
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It's not a failure if it makes money.

And most reviews I've seen have singled out Flash as a great character in this movie.
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I've agreed with RT scores far more times than not, though with the understanding of how they work (ie, the 93% debate).
There is no debate. 93% is a perfect movie. Anything over is ratings inflation
AgMarauder04
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SeattleAgJr said:

Hopefully the failure of this movie puts a nail in the Flash movie.

It is really not needed. We have a perfectly good TV series with a much more interesting Flash.
This movie will make $800M. That's not a failure in the eyes of the studio.
rhutton125
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M.C. Swag
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Effin China, man
Quad Dog
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AgMarauder04 said:

SeattleAgJr said:

Hopefully the failure of this movie puts a nail in the Flash movie.

It is really not needed. We have a perfectly good TV series with a much more interesting Flash.
This movie will make $800M. That's not a failure in the eyes of the studio.
BvS made $863 million and WB was disappointed it didn't make $1 billion. They only made about $100 million profit (all numbers from Wikipedia). Justice League has a bigger cast, multiple directors, a lot was spent on reshoots, and it has to have a bigger marketing budget (I see it advertised everywhere all the time)
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AgMarauder04 said:

SeattleAgJr said:

Hopefully the failure of this movie puts a nail in the Flash movie.

It is really not needed. We have a perfectly good TV series with a much more interesting Flash.
This movie will make $800M. That's not a failure in the eyes of the studio.
You have no idea of the initial costs, then the additional reshoots under Josh.
Wikipedia is showing budget of $300MM.
Plus marketing.

it is a safe bet at $800WW, this movie loses money.
swimmerbabe11
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Chad Thunder said:

http://boundingintocomics.com/2017/11/14/wonder-womans-gal-gadot-vehemently-condemns-misogynist-sexists/

This is a good marketing strategy by the WB, alienating half your audience. What moron thought this would be a good idea?

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I'm really into the idea of the turning of the tides, and how the last couple thousand years of human history have been so male-dominated in a way that has not always served us clearly, here we are on the brink of destruction and so I wonder if you would say something for me. Would you say into the camera, 'Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over?' I want it so bad. Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over.'

Ezra Miller has turned out to be a horrendous choice for the Flash.


That whole interview was supremely awkward.

Grant Gustin is the Flash for me though. This dude can't overcome that.

Wonder Woman's character was just an excuse for a bondage fetishist to put his kink on display. So it's ridiculous to me that everyone is acting like she is the anthem for feminists everywhere. She's not the first warrior princess or female heroine. I wish they would stop pretending like she is.

YouBet
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Chad Thunder said:

http://boundingintocomics.com/2017/11/14/wonder-womans-gal-gadot-vehemently-condemns-misogynist-sexists/

This is a good marketing strategy by the WB, alienating half your audience. What moron thought this would be a good idea?

Quote:

I'm really into the idea of the turning of the tides, and how the last couple thousand years of human history have been so male-dominated in a way that has not always served us clearly, here we are on the brink of destruction and so I wonder if you would say something for me. Would you say into the camera, 'Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over?' I want it so bad. Hetero-patriarchy, your wrath upon this world is over.'

Ezra Miller has turned out to be a horrendous choice for the Flash.


So, he wants lesbians to rule the world? Jesus, just stay out of the left wing politics and do your damn job!
SeattleAgJr
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what do you expect.

he is a lib. he is gay.

he has to virtue signal to the world with the ****ing bat signal.

and like most loud mouthy libs, he knows jack **** .
AliasMan02
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The reviews of this movie are absolutely scathing
AgMarauder04
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AliasMan02 said:

The reviews of this movie are absolutely scathing


Metacritic has it higher than BvS.
TCTTS
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Found this to be some nice, easily digestible, big-picture insight...








SeattleAgJr
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it really makes you wonder what is going on at WB.

Two of their biggest properties... Batman. Superman.
Years to work on these concepts.

They blow their load on a weak, limp BvsS, by pretty much doing everything wrong...
But they still had some time to correct the ship with JL, and they seem to have released another limp load.

Their best bet at this point is to break the team up.
Focus on stand alone WW, BM, SM stories and MAYBE..... in 5-7 years, bring the group back together.
 
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