Well damn I'm slow

Jurassic World 2: The Lost Premise

Out with the trailer already. This is getting ridiculous.

In JP3, when guessing the tooth the Dino belonged to(spino) don't they mention the baryionix? So it was on the InGen Dino list?

Huh?

AMW2010 said:

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In JP3, when guessing the tooth the Dino belonged to(spino) don't they mention the baryionix? So it was on the InGen Dino list?

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Correct.

TCTTS, he's referring to a scene where Grant/ Sam Neil and his buddy find a tooth and discuss what dino it comes from. Buddy says, "Baryonyx" before Grant says "No, think bigger - Spinosaurus aegypticus."

But anytime JP3 is mentioned I feel obligated to say, damn that movie sucked.

Gotcha.

Milwaukees Best Light said:

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Jurassic World 2: The Lost Premise

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Jurassic Park 5: Jurassic World Part II

Man did it ever... but I still love a Jurassic Park movie... even if it's the worst one... my favorite part about the movie was they showed more of the island, mainly when they first meet the raptors, reminded me more of the lost world book... I still to this day don't understand the ending, and wonder if Jurassic Park has a canon, cause there is not mention of the Dino's that just fly away....

There's an unproduced JP4 script that addresses that. Opening scene is a little league baseball game on the mainland that's attacked by pterodactyls. Will post the script here in a bit.

If there's a better file hosting service, let me know, as this link expires after 30 days...

https://ufile.io/pir7e

I posted this a few years back, but that's the official script for Jurassic Park IV that was ultimately scrapped. And while it never got to the casting phase, a decent amount of studio-sanctioned concept art was commissioned for it, which I've linked to below.

For context, this script was written in 2004 by John Sayles, three years after Jurassic Park III hit theaters. World eventually leaked online about how weird/crazy the concept was and the backlash was one of the contributing factors as to why it never made it to the screen. It really is weird as hell and doesn't truly feel like a Jurassic Park movie, save for the first act or so, which involves the main character, a John Hammond appearance, and a quick mission back to Isla Nublar to retrieve the canister of DNA Nedry stole, all of which actually makes for a pretty cool/smart set-up. But it's mission accomplished in no time, and what should have been the entire movie is over in a blink to make way for a much crazier story.

That said, back then Universal knew they had to shake things up, so kudos to them for trying something a little more out there. What worries me is that some of this script - the worse parts of the script - MIGHT have made their way into Fallen Kingdom in some form or fashion. This script is where the whole trained/military dino-soldier concept originated, as hinted at in Jurassic World, and I'm afraid the European setting of Fallen Kingdom could have potentially found inspiration from this as well, seeing as Switzerland is where the dino-soldiers are trained in the script. I'm probably overthinking it, but with Colin Trevorrow having returned to write Fallen Kingdom, who knows...

http://www.slashfilm.com/wtf-jurassic-park-4-almost-featured-human-dino-hybrids-the-karate-kid-iii-planned-as-kung-fu-flick-with-flying-people/

(The artwork at this link sounds like it's from a further-deveopled / even crazier version of the script, which William Monahan apparently ran with after the draft linked to above, but I'm not 100% sure.)

That scares me... that's one of the biggest thing I've hated about Jurassic Park gossip after jp3... Dino's with guns... SOOOOOOO FREAKING STUPID... like I wish Dodson had a bigger role, like he does In The lost world book... or I wish they had gone back and done something with the canister... like why go out of the way to show it getting covered in mud... or just more info on Dodson's company

Damn it, I can feel myself getting sucked into a rabbit hole of Jurassic proportions after taking a peak at that script again. Makes me want to reread The Lost World book and brainstorm ways this franchise could have been so much better... an admittedly ridiculous undertaking at a time when have far more important things to do.

Taking quick peak, though, I forgot how much I was into the Levine character of the second book and how disappointed I was when I realized they'd scrapped that entire plot line from the movie. I just loved that overall idea, which neither of the sequel movies really addressed, of Jurassic Park still being this massive secret to the rest of the world after its failure. That InGen worked swiftly to sweep it all under the rug, but that little clues and hints simply couldn't be concealed. Almost like this myth or legend with tiny bits of evidence and reports here and there, no different than Area 51 and the UFO phenomenon. And I just loved how the Levine character assumed all of those clues were hinting at a legitimate Lost World (ala King Kong) rather than the remnants of an actual theme park, and did everything he could to try and find it.

I don't remember much else about the book, only that I really liked it when I was 16, though I'm sure I'd feel different now. But that vibe is something I always wanted these movies to explore but never did. How much did the rest of the world know, if anything, before that first dinosaur made it to the mainland? And watching Malcolm having to keep that secret would have been so fascinating. In fact, I wish there could have been a TV series post Jurassic Park dealing with Levine, Malcolm, Dodson, and all of that stuff on the mainland, back in the states, with Levine almost as a more scholarly Mulder type trying to uncover the truth. I still don't know exactly how the movie sequels should have played out instead, but man, a show like that could have been so cool. Basically The Jurassic-Files - something set in the U.S. that could have been more procedural and conspiratorial and bridged the gap between the first and second movie, whatever that second movie might have been in a perfect world.

I don't understand why Dodgson was never mentioned again after JP 1.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I don't understand why Dodgson was never mentioned again after JP 1.

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Malcolm's gymnast daughter was a more compelling story idea.

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I don't remember much else about the book, only that I really liked it when I was 16, though I'm sure I'd feel different now.

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Before Jurassic World, I dusted off my hard cover copies of both Michael Crichton novels and read them (and they read really easily and quickly). I had the opposite reaction to The Lost World when it was first published. I hated it. Too many years back to recall why I hated it, but I did. So when the movie came out, I was happy to see what Spielberg put on screen, with a couple more sequences that were more-or-less pulled right out of the original novel. That movie bore little resemblance to the sequel novel.

So when I re-read The Lost World, I actually enjoyed it. But now it's been what, two years, three years, since Jurassic World came out and I had re-read that book? Yeah, I barely remember anything about it.

Can't wait!!

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Taking quick peak, though, I forgot how much I was into the Levine character of the second book and how disappointed I was when I realized they'd scrapped that entire plot line from the movie. I just loved that overall idea, which neither of the sequel movies really addressed, of Jurassic Park still being this massive secret to the rest of the world after its failure. That InGen worked swiftly to sweep it all under the rug, but that little clues and hints simply couldn't be concealed. Almost like this myth or legend with tiny bits of evidence and reports here and there, no different than Area 51 and the UFO phenomenon. And I just loved how the Levine character assumed all of those clues were hinting at a legitimate Lost World (ala King Kong) rather than the remnants of an actual theme park, and did everything he could to try and find it.

I don't remember much else about the book, only that I really liked it when I was 16, though I'm sure I'd feel different now. But that vibe is something I always wanted these movies to explore but never did. How much did the rest of the world know, if anything, before that first dinosaur made it to the mainland? And watching Malcolm having to keep that secret would have been so fascinating. In fact, I wish there could have been a TV series postJurassic Park dealing with Levine, Malcolm, Dodson, and all of that stuff on the mainland, back in the states, with Levine almost as a more scholarly Mulder type trying to uncover the truth. I still don't know exactly how the movie sequels should have played out instead, but man, a show like that could have been so cool. Basically The Jurassic-Files - something set in the U.S. that could have been more procedural and conspiratorial and bridged the gap between the first and second movie, whatever that second movie might have been in a perfect world.

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That's an interesting concept. The only drawback is I don't think it leaves a lot of room for actual dinosaurs to show up. I can't ever imagine a spin off of Jurassic Park without dinosaurs ever getting the greenlight - it would be like a spin off of star wars, only without space travel, blasters, the force, or the unique aspects of that universe.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Hey, Dr. Watson! I haven't seen you critique this dinosaur for it's scientific inaccuracies yet. I've personally counted three that I can see, what do you have?

Agreed. That's why I was saying it should just be a show that could have bridged two dinosaur-packed movies. A pipe-dream, I know, and was just spitballing late at night.

TCTTS said:

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Agreed. That's why I was saying it should just be a show that could have bridged two dinosaur-packed movies. A pipe-dream, I know, and was just spitballing late at night.

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Definitely. It would make a good book though, which we already have in the first half of the The Lost World. Now you've made me want to read that again.

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Wow. I can't remember a movie releasing this much footage for a trailer before the actual trailer. For those skipping this video because it looks like a standard behind-the-scenes video - it is - but there's a TON of actual footage in there as well, some of which feels like it won't even be in the trailer. So definitely give this a watch.

Following this up, what we now know is that Claire is in charge of a dinosaur conservation group tasked with retrieving some of the surviving dinosaurs from the main island. Seems like a natural place to take her character/this movie, and she brings Owen along to help out it seems. Still, I'm curious to see where else the plot goes and what this movie is truly about, other than that seemingly surface plot. All the governmental hearing / Malcolm / Wu stuff really has my interest piqued and I can't wait to see that angle play out as well.

That said, that opening shot of the wooded estate (presumably in London/Europe) is definitely even more reminiscent of the JP4 script I was talking about last night. That, and there's obviously a raptor or something in the museum area, which also has echoes of elements of that script. Hmmm...

From that behind the scenes video, it appears Claire runs better in high heels than in boots

TCTTS said:

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There's an unproduced JP4 script that addresses that. Opening scene is a little league baseball game on the mainland that's attacked by pterodactyls. Will post the script here in a bit.

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Am I missing the joke?

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Am I missing the joke?

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I guess just that she was complicit in the deaths of... hundreds? of people

Exactly. She was not only in charge of and the face of the park, but oversaw the creation of a needlessly super-smart killing machine and was responsible for its easily escapable containment, which ultimately, through a series of escalating and neglectful mishaps, led to the deaths of thousands of people and billions of dollars in damages. If there was one person who had to be held accountable for all that, Claire would literally be target number one.

Nah. Probably in the fine print when you agree to buy tickets tom the park that you could get eaten and the company isn't liable. No body reads the fine prints. They just scroll and click acknowledge