Just got back, and I enjoyed the movie for the most part. Definitely deserves a better rating than it has.

I honestly think there's a great movie in there. Affleck, Eisenberg, and Gadot were all good. Love the direction they went with this new Lex. And I'm looking forward to WW's solo movie.

That said, the movie definitely has its problems, the biggest one being the editing. A lot of the movie felt disjointed to me. Like several shorts spliced together. It was hard following what the main storyline was, especially early in the movie.

Secondly, there was just too much going on in a very short time. This should've been two movies, imo. It was a lot to digest.

It was easy to miss important details and I found myself a bit lost at times. Did they explain what exactly Lex's motivation was? If so, can someone explain it to me? I'm still not clear on what his main goal was. Poor job of explaining that.

And did it need to be THIS dark? (And I mean that literally.) All the main action took place at night, and I wish there was more daytime stuff going on. It really needed some color. Even the daytime scenes were cloudy and dreary. (MoS looks colorful by comparison.)

Finally, I was pretty disappointed by the soundtrack. I LOVED the MoS soundtrack, and I wish it had kept that style/tone. This went way electronic, and I didn't love it.

Having said all that, I still found myself entertained pretty much the whole say way through, and I'm really liking where they're heading with the DCU. The problems with the movie were more "mechanical" than anything.

I'll probably be watching this one a second time to really be able to take it all in.

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I haven't seen it (don't plan to) but from what I hear the first half of the film was boring/useless.

Killed the waynes again, for some reason. There are 8 films with batman and 6 killings of the waynes (thank Nolan for not killing them in his sequels).

You don't understand luthors motivation.

The film is batman vs Superman, but they are on the same side.

Then they dump Barry Allen and cyborg on you at the end? Wtf? At least marvel builds new characters into the story and universe gradually.

Look at gotg, we start with quill, it starts with action, the black dude reports to ronan, who Skypes thanos, we learn that gamora is thanos's daughter and we learn that thanos has commissioned ronan for the orb (motivation). We then travel to a planet where a raccoon and a tree are bounty hunters and they spot quill (introduction AND motivation).


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doh

We have a pretty similar taste in movies so I will probably enjoy it then

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Just got back, and I enjoyed the movie for the most part. Definitely deserves a better rating than it has.

I honestly think there's a great movie in there. Affleck, Eisenberg, and Gadot were all good. Love the direction they went with this new Lex. And I'm looking forward to WW's solo movie.

That said, the movie definitely has its problems, the biggest one being the editing. A lot of the movie felt disjointed to me. Like several shorts spliced together. It was hard following what the main storyline was, especially early in the movie.

Secondly, there was just too much going on in a very short time. This should've been two movies, imo. It was a lot to digest.

It was easy to miss important details and I found myself a bit lost at times. Did they explain what exactly Lex's motivation was? If so, can someone explain it to me? I'm still not clear on what his main goal was. Poor job of explaining that.

And did it need to be THIS dark? (And I mean that literally.) All the main action took place at night, and I wish there was more daytime stuff going on. It really needed some color. Even the daytime scenes were cloudy and dreary. (MoS looks colorful by comparison.)

Finally, I was pretty disappointed by the soundtrack. I LOVED the MoS soundtrack, and I wish it had kept that style/tone. This went way electronic, and I didn't love it.

Having said all that, I still found myself entertained pretty much the whole say way through, and I'm really liking where they're heading with the DCU. The problems with the movie were more "mechanical" than anything.

I'll probably be watching this one a second time to really be able to take it all in.

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Agree with most of this review. It's a B+ movie for me

Saw the movie last night and like most of you left wanting a bit more. The problem with DC is they have been playing catchup with Marvel for quite some time. You can tell in the movies that everything seems rushed to get to the JL.

This movie should have been split in two. I liked that Batman and Superman were fighting because of what Lex set up rather than "just because" like it seemed in the previews (horrible marketing). That was a good conflict early on with both of them pursuing Lex but using their own methods. The dream sequences were a complete waste of time.

Ironically the biggest problem seems to be that WB/DC doesn't "get" the characters. Superman and Batman are two sides of a coin, light and dark but in Snyder's movies it is dark and a bit less dark. Deadpool and everything Marvel is a great example of studios, actors, and directors "getting" the characters and themes.

TL;DR - Good not great and hoping a new director can salvage a Justice League movie

Not to pour salt on the wound, but remember the hope and promise? If only the franchise could have delivered on the potential hinted at in this trailer, one of the greatest teasers of all time...

Well, I decided to fork over the cash for this. It's not a bad film. I think it's been said enough that Affleck and Gadot were great. But I think it needs to said that Affleck and Irons were probably the saving grace for this film, particularly their banter.

This movie is just..... so ****ing disjointed. The dream sequences did not help. Plus, it really didn't help that after the committee was taken out that the story shifted entirely from it's earlier political thriller feel.

Speaking of story, the tag line for BvS should have been "What the **** Lois?" Seriously. Beyond the start of film, did she really need to be in this?

Eisenberg was a huge miss for me. I can deal with a Lex just wanting to stick it to Superman because he's Lex and Lex must do Lex things. But Eisenbergs Lex was just, well frankly just flat out nuts. Why did he do what he did? Was it the daddy issues? Was it the religious mythology that he was talking about early on in the film? I don't see any rhyme or reason in Eisenberg's Lex, and that kills the character for me.

BTW, while Lex mistreating Mercy Graves (originally a character from the DCAU) is something that has happened before -hell I think he pretty much beat her once-, I have a very tough time believing that he would off her with everyone else in that meeting. Under used named character right there IMO.

So, let's take a moment and talk about the wonderful (/s) inserting of Flash, Cybord, and Aquaman. So Bruce ended up transferring files from Lex's servers, which conveniently had files on all the founding JL members? Hey, great idea for a BvS film that already has WW in it, lets have little clips showing their powers! Yeah.... That didn't feel forced at all.

The score was pretty meh. There were hints of MoS for Superman, more so towards the end when fighting Doomsday, and I caught a little bit of influence from Nolan's films score for Batman at points but it's largely going to be forgettable IMO. What I am assuming is Wonder Woman's theme is pretty good, though it did stand out in contrast to pretty much everything else.

As it stands, I'm going to pass on Suicide Squad (I just can't get excited about) but I'm really excited for Wonder Woman.

EDIT: Also at the funeral for Clark, I'm guessing that a good portion of Justice League Pt 1 is going to deal with just Diana and Bruce finding the other members of the JL.

I have been, and still am (after watching BvS) more hopeful about Suicide Squad for D.C.

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I haven't seen it (don't plan to) but from what I hear the first half of the film was boring/useless.

Killed the waynes again, for some reason. There are 8 films with batman and 6 killings of the waynes (thank Nolan for not killing them in his sequels).

You don't understand luthors motivation.

The film is batman vs Superman, but they are on the same side.

Then they dump Barry Allen and cyborg on you at the end? Wtf? At least marvel builds new characters into the story and universe gradually.

Look at gotg, we start with quill, it starts with action, the black dude reports to ronan, who Skypes thanos, we learn that gamora is thanos's daughter and we learn that thanos has commissioned ronan for the orb (motivation). We then travel to a planet where a raccoon and a tree are bounty hunters and they spot quill (introduction AND motivation).


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The unfortunate issue that this film has to wade through is reinventing Batman right after the three greatest comic book adaptations of all time. The film spends much of the first hour introducing us to what amounts to Frank Miller's version of Batman mixed with the Batman from Arkham Nights. This basically amounts to an older, mentally unstable Batman who has spent much of his adult life losing those he cares about and coming to the realization that all his work hasn't made that much of a difference. I thought that point was hammered home home well, even if the editing was a bit choppy.

If you're looking for a movie that's just 2.5 hours of explosions with little or no dialogue, this one isn't for you. The film does a lot of setting itself up, which I don't mind, but those who prefer the Avengers style of "blow everything up all the time" may not enjoy. It's personal preference.

This is definitely a darker, more consequence ridden universe that DC has created.

I thought Luther's motivations were pretty clear. It's the same motivation he's always had throughout the comics. He has a vast hatred for "aliens", which is why he has a program that's heavily involved in tracking down and eliminating those aliens. That's partly what spurred Wonder Woman into action.

The Batman v Superman title has been around forever in comics and animation. Anyone who went into the movie thinking that Batman would be pitted against Superman for a whole film is either extremely ignorant or just living under a rock. Heck, the movie trailers even gave this point away by showing them battling Doomsday.

Saw it last night. It had its flaws and I could see why the critics didn't like the editing, but all in all I thought it was a good movie. This might be because I know a lot about the characters and got all of the references and motivations, but still the movie is not a bad movie.

It is dark though and is not a kids movie at all. Lois is used in too many scenes she has no business being in, which detract from the impact of the scene itself. Lex acted more like a crazy Batman villain than the Lex from the comics.

I liked all 3 of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. I thought they all nailed their characters. It was great seeing all of them on screen together as well. It was a huge moment that was spoiled by the trailer, same with the Doomsday reveal.

It was a good movie, but should have been split into two movie like other people have said and the dream sequences should have toned down a bit. I would give it a B-.

I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it either. As with all Snyder movies, there were some good things, but a whole lot of bad also. With the exception of Amy Adams, I liked the casting. I even enjoyed this version of Lex, I just don't think the actors had much to work with. The writing was awful, the directing was awful and the editing was laughably bad. I feel like they should have made a stand alone Batman movie with a Super-Man cameo in between Man of Steel and BvS. I give it a C-.

TC you go out on a limb and say David Ayer doesn't fk up Suicide Squad this bad?

He knows what he has, has steady hands on the project, and will likely have a lotta of fu/borderline camp with it? Dark meets twisted meets funny?

Just be ause Snyder made a mess of this, doesn't translate that Suicide Squad will be bad. In fact, I think SS will make this look even worse. Not even Jai Courtney will be able to screw that up.

I'm interested to see if SS can deliver on the tone it's promising in a consistent way. Deadpool upped the ante there as well.

Jai Courtney looks kinda fun in the trailers as Captain Boomerang.

They showed a preview for SS with some footage I hadn't seen (though it was still using BR as a soundtrack) and I was genuinely excited to see it.

I don't think Ayer f*cks up Suicide Squad by any means, but I'm not 100% sold on it yet either. To be clear, I love the movie that is being hinted in the two trailers so far. The tone, cast, etc., IMO, are all spot-on (and yes, even Jai Courtney looks great, admittedly, which is no small feat). That said, for me, Ayer has a history of just missing the mark. I love his style, ambition and grit, but something about Fury, for instance, never quite delivered. It was beautifully shot, featured an awesome cast of characters, and felt like it should have a been a WWII classic, but that was the problem... for whatever reason, it played as if it were merely doing an impression of a WWII classic instead of actually being one. And I hope the same isn't true of Suicide Squad. I hope it's not just an impression of the whatever the ultimate version of this movie is, if that makes sense. I also hope The Joker doesn't feel shoehorned, as that's my only big worry so far. Up to this point, The Joker looks as if he's in a completely different movie than the rest of the cast - not necessarily in tone, but in the narrative. Granted, they're probably/hopefully leaving his clash with the Squad out of the trailers, for good reason, but I'm not so sure.

Either way, how crazy would it be if Suicide Squad ends up being the movie that "saves" the franchise? Granted, BvS is going to do insane business this weekend, and it doesn't look like WB is too worried at all about the negative reviews, but what if, when all is said and done, Suicide Squad is the movie everyone points to as the cornerstone of the franchise? If so, what's crazy is that WB seems to have no plans to continue that particular story. Sure, The Joker will likely show up in a solo Batman movie, but how typical would it be of WB if the one movie that really ends up working in the franchise is the one they have no sequel for? In that case, you know what I bet they do? Instead of a solo Batfleck movie, maybe there's a situation where he could have to team up with the Suicide Squad in some form or fashion to help take down The Joker. That could be pretty cool, and I'd love to see him try to navigate that situation, morally.

Anyway, at the very least, WB's hit-and-miss nature sure does make the future of the franchise interesting, at least in terms of how it's all going to unfold. At this point, yes, they have a plan, but ultimately they basically have to go where the wind takes them, and there's something a little more exciting about that, in a chaotic kind of way, compared to the iron clad four-year plan Marvel currently has laid out.

13 edits?!

TC, have you seen BvS yet?

Ha, had a lot of typos. Corrected them one by one.

Not yet. Finally seeing it tonight.

Won't batman make an appearance in suicide squad? Didnt we see the bat mobile in one of the trailers?

I wouldn't be surprised if batman has more of a role than expected - unless some kind of leak has explicitly ruled that out.

Yes, Batman is in the movie, but Affleck isn't. They used a stuntman/double for what appears to be a very brief action chase flashback. That said, Affleck himself definitely could have filmed some kind of larger cameo behind closed doors, but there have been zero reports or rumors of that being the case. So, we'll see.

See you're taking your nerd knowledge into the film.

Every adaptation of Luthor I have seen is driven by real estate. His desire to kill/neutralize supes has occurred because supes gets in his way. I have never seen a "aliens are evil" luthor; given the trailers to BvS that sounds more like affleck's Batman.

Just saw it with gravy jr (13) and we loved it... I'm sure there are some parts that are over analyzed.. But I was thoroughly entertained the whole movie

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Possibly a topic for another thread, but while I enjoyed the Nolan Batfilms they still left a lot to be desired in their interpretation of Batman.

We still haven't seen the Batfilm I've been waiting for with the World's Greatest Detective in action. Given Affleck's knack for crime dramas, I have hope.