Found the real reason Superman & Batman fought. Batman was banging Ma Kent

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Another question that might have been covered.

Does this superman have freeze breath? I was wondering why he wasn't using that on doomsday, since he absorbs energy, being cold would lower his energy.

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Disqualified as a superpower due to epic lameness.

So after rewatching, I came out with the same conclusions....

1: Lois and her ridiculous bullet investigation never should have made it into the film.
2: The dream sequences were awful.
3: The meta human files were god awful.
4: based on one scene, I already dislike the flash.
5: the whole senate hearing thing was completely unnecessary.
6: Afleck saved the movie


I really hope fans come out with an edited version without the extra crap in it when it's released on BR. I think all it needs to be a fairly good movie is some dang editing.

So I realize that for comic readers, Darkseid is probably the end all, be all for DC villains... and I get that a threat for the Justice League has to be a really big badass... but the fact that they are rolling out this guy:





after we've been given this guy by the superior studio:





Is really, really lame...


They're both the most powerful being in the Galaxy and they look like twins... it's boring. Not to mention the name. Darkseid? That's eye rolling.


And on top of that, we're also going to see this guy on screen...





the biggest, baddest mutant who ever lived. Only difference is he doesn't sit on a throne in space.


DC is just going to look like they're ripping Marvel off. No idea who came up with who first, but for movies that make billions... the majority of your viewers are not comic readers, and don't have any clue about these guys.

Ugh...dragged to this one.

- So opening credits we see Snyder openly ripping off Citizen Kane with Rosebud. Even focusing on Thomas Wayne's hand going limp.

- Decent tie-in to MOS, Bruce has reason to fear Supes

- Lex executes an elaborate set-up of Superman in africa, hinging on Lois getting the assignment for the terrorist story, never explains how Lex figures out Superman/Lois connection, just that he exploits it.

- As "detective-great" batman is, he neither knows/suspects Kent or Lex. The latter is more important after the Congressional bombing. He is not curious enough about how his employee who has not cashed his checks gets a bomb passed the highest security in the country. A national tragedy of unprecedented proportions and wayne reacts "well its the flying guy's fault!" The beacon of our Republic is in cinders and he doesnt apply more than 20 secs consideration on it.

- The alternate future/paradox-vision was interesting but made NO sense. The Flash said "save lois" or whatever to avoid Superman's wrath on humanity. But in BvS Lois was never in danger. It was "Martha".

- Which brings us to the spear. The worst f-cking McGuffin Ive EVER seen, not the spear itself, but the losing of it. Batman has just weaponized Kryptonian rock, he has found a way to neutralize supreme aliens, then he tosses it away like its some batarang. Thats not fair, he has more respect for batarangs and uses them sparingly. Then Lois drops it into an inexplicable indoor well that goes down at least 2 stories, ya know standard architecture that most abandoned port-adjacent warehouses have. (WTF IS GOING ON HERE?! SCREENWRITERS TAKING STUPID-PILLS?!) Then in the middle of the fight, when WW is fighting a monster Superman KNOWS is impervious to sht, he spends 5-10 mins of "but Lois, I have to" thats already fkking established, a creature is leveling your city, your only ally is barely holding her own, and you have to make sure this dumb sl-t has to process the gravity of the situation at hand. WTF?!?!

- Doomsday, as a character, was the only part of this movie that wasnt ponderous or illogical based on the established universe or established character traits. But even then Lex's motive to create him was left-field. Lets see, "Batman has a weapon to kill Superman, Im gonna pit them against each other, while I create a monster the Kryptonian library says is indestructible. So if Batman succeeds, I have a weapon I cant control. If Superman succeeds, I have a fight between two gods again (MOS) and I still cant control my champion."

- Which then gets us down to the motive of Lex. Everyone pumping this film said "he hates illegal aliens! its established in the comics! That was no where in the film!!! Not only that, he seems EXTREMELY comfortable around alien tech and a 2nd alien he creates. But lets assume yall are right, and he hates aliens, what is Lex's endgame with his actions. Even if it were killing Superman, he still ends up with a monster that is more destructive and less manipulate-able than Superman. If its ridding Earth of aliens so he can be the most powerful being on earth, once again no control/killswitch for Doomsday.

The ONLY logical theory, which is actually supported by the performance, is that the dude is just f-cking insane, he isnt making rational decisions, and therefore "anything can happen" because Lex is not calculating, he is just rubbing his nipples with Zod's fingertips.

If you think this film is good, I highly question your film standards and intelligence. Not that you should expect this to be oscar-worthy, but merely that characters and plots (ya know, the raison d'etre of a film) actually have purpose and logical advancement.

The only character that actually grows in this film is Batman, the rest are just action-figures that do X-events because the child playing with them says so. I wouldnt be surprised if the screenwriting was actually focus-grouping 8yos.


(PS, Jeremy Irons was the best Alfred, Caine comes off hamfisted by comparison. This Alfred looks like he is competent enough to actually help Batman....and kill John McLane.)

Alright, this is one of the nerdiest things I've ever done, but I don't wanna go to the gym yet so I'm wasting time. I've compiled comments from the first ~42 TexAgs poster reviews to this thread and narrowed down the data. It's been fascinating to me, watching this play out. I don't know of many films that have been so divisive.

Here's what people tended to comment on the most.

The positive:
Ben Affleck: 18 positive comments, 0 negative
Jeremy Irons: 10 positive comments, 0 negative
Wonder Woman: 13 positive comments, with 4 "why was she in this film" type comments

The mixed responses:
Lex Luthor: 6 people liked him, 16 people did not
Superman: 3 positive comments, 2 negative. Not a lot of discussion on him, which is weird since he's one of the lead stars
Several people thought the second half was far superior to the first
Doomsday: it was hard to differentiate between the fight and the design of the character. Some good and some bad, I suppose

The bad:
Lois Lane: 0 positive comments, 6 negative.
Knightmare sequences: 11 negative comments
JL cameos: 6 negative comments
Batman origin rehash: 3 negative comments
Zack Snyder, script, pacing, editing, understanding of character: 15 negative comments
Revealing too much in the trailer: 4 mentions

As for overall grades, everyone used a different scale. I tried to consolidate as best I could. There seemed to be about:

2 that were an A or above
12 B+s
8 B-s
~6 in the C range
~7 that were D or below.


So there you have it. I am definitely a dork now.