Happy had a good line last night about Laroy: "Dude needs to die... a lot"

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"Tell me you love me"

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Maybe it's just me, but I figured the delivery of that line was more about the character's state of mind than the actor's ability.

Maggie Siff, I think, has been excellent up to this point... when her character is emotionally and mentally f'ed up.

Not sure why Romeo would want to still work with SAMCRO. They essentially have screwed up everything they have done this entire season. Leader is shot, infighting, theft of coke, maybe compromised with Feds. Seems like they could find a better partner.

I think Tara's hand is ruined meaning she is no longer a doctor and something will convince her that they should stay. Jax wants to leave and Tara wants him to stay and to take over the Gemma role as female leader of the gang. Just a crazy thought.

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Happy had a good line last night about Laroy: "Dude needs to die... a lot"

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Loved that quote.

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Not sure why Romeo would want to still work with SAMCRO. They essentially have screwed up everything they have done this entire season. Leader is shot, infighting, theft of coke, maybe compromised with Feds. Seems like they could find a better partner

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It also means they're weak compared to LS or another cartel. Romeo can use them and toss them aside. Maybe he's planning on milking them for the Irish weapons, and then just popping all of them in the head. A lot.

If Romeo did find out about Otto flipping, would that nugget have also given away Juice? Seems SAMCRO is worried about Otto flipping and taking them down longterm, but would Otto have known about the 3pm meet?

That's my feeling about this whole cartel-Otto ordeal. Otto wouldn't have known anything about the meeting with the Irish, which is exactly what Romeo said.

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forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how do we know that romeo lied versus truly didnt know about the investigation?

Yoshi I was wondering the same thing. Otto ratted out Bobby and gave up the RICO statutes on the club. Juice was the one giving up the information on the current stuff going on in the club. Maybe Potter is keeping this close and the cartel doesn't know about Juice being a rat too.

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forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how do we know that romeo lied versus truly didnt know about the investigation?

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We don't. He could have sources that got the info and is lying. He also could have been going after the sources that would know about Otto/Bobby, which is not the source of the meeting info (Juice).

Not saying Happy's lines aren't good lines. But the delivery ain't that great.

The worry, would be if Otto gave anyone up.

I dont think they'd be concerned that Otto would give up the info about the meet specifically, but that if he's working with the Feds, and had given up someone, that the Feds would likely know about their activity, or perhaps the meet as well.


And I'm a little surprised there are people that think Tara's a good actress. She's kinda like the female equivalent of Keanu Reeves to me.

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Not sure why Romeo would want to still work with SAMCRO. They essentially have screwed up everything they have done this entire season. Leader is shot, infighting, theft of coke, maybe compromised with Feds. Seems like they could find a better partner

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I'm not real experienced with drug and arms trafficking, but I can't imagine it's a very smooth/clean operation. I'd think some of this stuff is fairly status quo, and even if SAMCRO is a bit messy, their connections (Irish, etc), seem to be worth it for them to be in business.

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And I'm a little surprised there are people that think Tara's a good actress. She's kinda like the female equivalent of Keanu Reeves to me.

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At this point, I think she's gone. Maybe she won't die, but as bad as she wants to leave Charming, I think she's done with her part in the show. As I watched the show last night, I enjoyed her role in the episode but she is still a minor character in the big scheme.

nobody seems concerned that it appeared as though Clay regained consciousness at some point when they showed him waking up in the hospital...who will he talk to first and what will he tell them? his side of the story and how he presents could be a major turning point within the club

I didn't see him conscious so I'll have to watch again. Could make a HUGE difference.

they panned on him laying in the hospital bed and it sure looked like his eyes were just starting to flutter open a bit...i could be wrong i did wait until almost 1am to start watching it last night

I thought they were telling Clay AND the prospect that he was shot by "two black guys" last night when they were dragging him to the garage. In other words, getting their story told right to the victim and a witness.

I could be wrong though.

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I thought they were telling Clay AND the prospect that he was shot by "two black guys" last night when they were dragging him to the garage. In other words, getting their story told right to the victim and a witness.

I could be wrong though.

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Agreed

Tara stays. She is the female sex appeal of the show.

I'd definitely pass on her for Gemma

Drea de Matteo and her white trash self for the win!!!

she's a lesbian now.

Peg Bundy...anytime, anyplace

Um, is everyone forgetting Opie's wife? The rest are trolls comparitively.

sorry, not into necrophilia.

Or the hospital administrator!!! We know she has a freaky side under that conservative business demeanor. (former biker chick...tats...)

It was Clay that suggested putting the blame on the 9ers I thought? I know Jax put emphasis on it when they were carrying him outside, but it was Clay who brought it up isn't it?

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Meh....menage

Both of Opie's wives were hotter than Tara or the druggie lesbian baby-momma or Gemma. Now that ***** that got her nose broken by Jax, on the other hand, was the hottest of all.

As far as Romeo goes, I think there are a few possibilities.

1. Romeo learned that Otto ratted out SAMCRO but didn't implicate the cartel since that relationship is so new. SAMCRO has been nothing but one big cluster*****so he's willing to let them get busted after he gets the guns. Romeo figures that telling the truth about Otto may will screw up SAMCRO so much that it would damage the gun deal.

2. Romeo's telling the truth, and Otto didn't really rat out SAMCRO. We never really heard exactly what Otto revealed. Perhaps it was all misinformation.

3. Romeo's informant isn't as connected as Romeo thinks he is.

4. Romeo himself is a RICO informant (or for the DEA, etc). I don't see how that could be possible, but I wouldn't put anything past Sutter at this point.

5. Romeo is working some other angle that we don't have enough information to understand or predict at this point.

I'd probably bang Tara first unless she dropped a "tell me you love me" with those dead eyes

then Gemma, the pornstar (opie's wife),Wendy, then Donna

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5. Romeo is working some other angle that we don't have enough information to understand or predict at this point.

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Gotta be this.

The RICO team is targeting the 'real IRA', and I could see the cartel having made a deal with the feds so they could get the IRA.

Otherwise, they are as much as risk as anyone else involved.

I could see it being that Otto didnt give up SAMCRO, and fed them misinformation. But if that were the case, I dont think the pipeline would necessarily have the info, and also...Bobby was taken away to 'start his list'.

Unrelated to the plot, but check out this site:
http://www.startitink.com/index.php?cPath=58

You can customize various SAMCRO apparel to make it say whatever you want. I may make me a SAMCRO-12th Man Chapter shirt.

If anyone is interested:

"Gangland" marathon on Spike tonight, "Devils Disciples" (outlaw Detroit biker gang) airs at 9:15

We were able to snag the SOA seasons 1 and 2 for $15 during Black Friday and I was rewatching it yesterday.

I did not realize that Opie was the main character from "We are the Titans." In the early episodes you can tell, but by the current episodes he has physically and visually turned into an entirely different person.