Make it a dog skull instead of Rev's head and I think you got something.

ok so I think timing in the next few episodes is going to be pivotal.

1) bobby talking to otto...will he make it in time before otto gives the ok on transcripts

2)the vote...didn't Potter tell Juice he only had to give up the club pres and that's the only one they'd use RICO on in exchange for the IRA? well I assume it'll be Clay regardless, but a vote for change of President could mean someone else getting shoehorned here. I dont know though

3) if it IS Clay that gets RICO'ed assuming Juice and Otto continue down their paths then we have to assume that Opie/Jax will have their vengeance stolen from them at the last second by the Feds...I could totally see the season ending this way. Jax/Opie are closing in on Clay and just as they have a shot the Feds roll up and bust him

anyways just throwing some ideas out there, should be an excellent finish to the season

Good thought about the RICO possibility

I think Thunder's theory is VERY plausible!

Good thoughts there Thunder. Are there 3 episodes left?

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I think so. Tonight, the 29th and the 6th.

I always get really pumped for the last few episodes of the season, because they ALWAYS have some absolutely out of left field *****happen that leaves you stunned

In the immortal words of Frank Barone....HOLY CRAP!

Uhhhhhhhhmmmmmm...........wow

Epic television right there!!! These last two episodes are going to be amazing.

I nominate Ope for the honeybadger patch...cause he doesn't give a sheet!

Dayummmmmm

I think Opie just surpassed Happy as my favorite Son.

Hey guys, remember when we all argued for about 4 or 5 pages on when Clay would meet his demise?

Well Sutter basically just told us all to go **** ourselves.

And I'm really pumped about it for some reason...

HOLY ***** That was awesome. I can't wait to see the next two episodes.

So....Anyone else think Clay I still alive? Sticking by my guns and saying no way he dies this season.

Disclaimer: I don't watch Breaking Bad....so I can't compare it to that. But in my world...this is THE best show going.

Hell Boy was wearing a jacket...I bet...

it looked like right shoulder and right upper abdomen wounds for clay. they definitely showed the penetrations. i can only seem to freeze the upper abdomen shot on my uverse. he is still alive.

lots of story threads to follow.

this show rocks.

after a few more runs, i retract the shoulder shot comment. looked to be upper right chest was all you could see; although there are clearly multiple audio shots fired.

What does the writing read on Jax's cap?

Wow... can't believe Otto really did that either.

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Clay is not dead...

Left shot was definitely below the heart, but still in the chest and likely near the descending aorta. But agree, I'm not certain he's dead.

Unless somehow this is the last season of SOA Clay's not dead. I can see him being in a coma or something, but he's not close to dead. This is where Jax gets even more conflicted...he loves his mom and since she's doing the whole idiot "I love you Clay" Bulls***" Telling Unser to stop Opie I can see her playing w/ Jax's head. She's more about the power than she is about her family. She said it herself...she's protecting what SHE spend 20 years building. Now that Jax will be leaving she had no choice but to continue to support Clay. Stupid woman.

In next weeks preview they have Clay sitting upright on the floor in the shop.
Looked like he could be alive still, but hard to say. Unser leaned down to him, but was he leaning in to talk to him or was he leaning in to give a post death "you finally got what's coming to ya" kind of statement.

As to why he was there and not at his seat still, I'm guessing Jax and Opie moved him there to hide the fact that he was shot in the meeting room to keep the club from expecting a club member.
Not sure why they would go through the trouble of trying to cover that up if Clay was still alive because he could eventually have Opies head on a platter. Clay doesn't seem like the forgive and forget kinda guy.

That being said, I still don't believe he's dead.

Otto signed the deal, but Lincoln never got Lenny's privileges finalized? Wonder what the impact of that will be...

In the previews, they showed him propped up on the floor, bloody, and someone saying, "we have to make it look like it was the Mayans/Mexicans" or something to that affect.

I hope Bobby gets out of there......I like bobby, and think he's a good ally for Jax.

Hope Clay is dead but I doubt he is.

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I didn't catch that, but did hear Tig claiming it had to have been Laroy's crew that hit Clay. So it seems like they will be chasing after them for this.

no vest, both shots drew blood...the first shot hit clay in the upper right side of the chest, just below the SOA patch/pocket; the second shot hit him in the lower left side, i'd say at the rib cage line...so much for Jax's reflexes, Opie got those shots off pretty dadgum quick!

Just rewatched We Were Soldiers and remembered how much I liked Ryan Hurst in that movie, too.

Someone explain Gemma to me.

I realize she's wired to protect the club, and her family, but her role right now is very confusing to me.

1. She's always protected Clay and the club
2. This season she starts suspecting that he's doing some dangerous things things, and going to far (not to mention his involvement in the drug cartel)
3. Finds out her suspicions are worse that thought, as he put a hit out on Tara (and lied to Gemma in doing so), and killed Piney
4. She gets her face beat in by him, and makes the comment that he's gone, and will be killed by the hands of a Son.
5. But then immediately starts to protect him, and last night says she loves him.

Was that 'I love you Clay' some sort of foreshadowing because she knew that Opie was coming to kill him?

And she keeps talking about protecting 'what it took her 20 years to build'.....is she simply talking about the Club?

I dont get what she's up to, and whose side she's on.

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Gemma is all about Gemma and no one else. The 20 years is retirement and power, she does not have those w/o Clay. My guess is she plans for him to die, just not until she is setup.

Gemma's character is almost incapable of telling the truth, it seems. Or, she's told some many lies, she can't remember the truth.

SAMCRO has always been her ticket to power. The cartel deal took control of the club out of Clay and Jax's hands. If Clay dies and Jax leaves, where does that leave her? SAMCRO might just dry up and blow away, she's nothing, and she's got nothing, except Unser, who's dying of cancer.

I took her telling Clay she loved him because she didn't know if she'd see him alive again.