Kozik was the former addict.

For:
Clay
Jax
Kozik
Miles
Tig
Opie

Against:
Bobby
Piney
Juice
Chibs
Happy

Is that correct? I thought Opie was with his dad on this, but can't remember.

ya Opie said he was with Piney before they went to go vote

OK, that's what I thought. So was it this?

For:
Clay
Jax
Kozik
Miles
Tig
Happy

Against:
Bobby
Piney
Juice
Chibs
Opie


Juice, Chibs and Happy are the ones I can't remember for sure, but that looks right to me.

Now come to think of it...Did they ever have the vote on Clay losing his pres status? Last I remember they began and the clubhouse was shot up by the Lobos but I may be wrong.

Yeah, the vote (to replace Clay) was interrupted by the drive by

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Think they are talking about the vote to smuggle drugs for the cartel

Opie was for the cartel, because he sided with Jax, even though Piney was against.


Opie was with his dad in ousting Clay, though the vote was interrupted.

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Opie was for the cartel, because he sided with Jax, even though Piney was against.


Opie was with his dad in ousting Clay, though the vote was interrupted.

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Thanks, that makes more sense. So that means Happy would have been against it since it passed 6-5 and I know Clay, Jax, Tig, Miles and Kozik were for it.

so, if that list is right, and I think it is, clay's burned all his bridges. None of his cartel backers (that are still drawing air) have a reason to continue backing him, and once the truth comes out, the anti-cartel Sons are gonna have even more reason to be against him.

If and when the presidency vote does come up, he's screwed. Not that I expect anything final to happen to him anytime soon, though, as far as death or taxes.

Maybe the Sons figure out a deal, Clay leaves the Sons and runs with the cartel and the Sons cut ties with the cartel....

Here's what I think happens. They try to kill Clay, but he gets away. Clay then turns into the ultimate villain and starts another gang. Unser joins the Sons. Remember the bike they fixed up for him?

Unser probably will never join the Sons...in fact I see him dieing off very soon from 1) a club member or 2) his cancer

I have a very bad feeling about the timing of Otto's transcription vs when Bobby shows up to let him know Caruso is dead for real this time

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I have a very bad feeling about the timing of Otto's transcription vs when Bobby shows up to let him know Caruso is dead for real this time

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I had the same thought when Jax told Bobby to go to see Otto.

Can someone help me remember the history with Lenny? I can't figure out why Otto asked Linc for the favors for Lenny.

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Jax kills Opie to protect Clay without knowing why Opie is trying to kill Clay.

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Very Shakespearean.

Otto was very specific on the terms of his deal. Hopefully, that dipstick DA will try to half-ass it and Otto can tell him to pound sand.

I can't remember who Lenny is either. My wife thought it was the guy that helped Otto kill that dude in the prison library. I could be wrong...

As far as Shakespeare goes, I am in favor of Clay goin out like Julius Caesar, only with crowbars instead of daggers.

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Lenny The Pimp.
He's the last of the living Original 9 besides Clay. I think he's been in much longer than Otto and has all the inside connections. He has popped up in the show here and there briefly, but is kinda big behind the scenes from what I can tell.

he got them in touch with the russians, when they needed to kill that Irish dude a couple seasons ago.

I was pretty disappointed in Season 3 of SOA (except for the last couple episodes), but Sutter has had his foot on the gas all season!! Can they really keep up this pace for 3 more episodes?

I would love to see Clay get ousted and have his ink blow-torched off his back. Or killed by Opie . . . or the cartel . . . or the Niners. I can't see him killing Opie, but I can see him contracting out the hit to the cartel.

I think Otto's out on everything is that he will end up not signing the deposition, re-canting everything, then killing himself. I'm not sure what Wendy (Adriana from Sopranos) is doing back other than to just stir the pot.

With 3 more seasons, I can see a "flashback" season that revolves around the Original 9.

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Won't happen, Sutter hates flashbacks.

I'd be surprised if any of the other main members die this season. We went 3 seasons with none of the main characters dying and only a prospect that needed off the show, now Piney is dead and although a small character Kozik. Would they really kill Opie?

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She's looking more like Livia than Adriana now.

After a somewhat slow start to build up the tension and plot lines, I can't wait to see how they wrap this all up.

I know one thing: I wouldn't want wheels-off crazy Opie coming after me. Fantastic acting at the end of the episode.

SOA body count: Half Sack, Miles, Piney and Kozik.

Hard to know if the carnage this season will stop. The club has always been a source of misery for Opie. Prison, dead wife, failed marriage and now Piney's death. He is a warrior for SAMCRO, but what has it gotten him? He is a walking tragedy. The guy can't catch a break, I don't see surviving a battle against Clay; even though he is one of my favorite characters.

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I mentioned this earlier, but there has been talk and Sutter hasn't denied in interviews that when this one ends a "prequel" of the Original 9 is a very real possibility.

Prequel? Ron Pearlman will a bad ass 70s fro? I'm in!

A prequel?? What for... we already know who dies and what happens Would there be *** spoiler warnings or anything like that?

With 3 seasons to go (really? three? don't research why if you don't want a de facto spoiler) I just really can't see enough for there not to be some kind of resolution from this storyline. Not a final resolution, but some kind of satiating resolution to work in another storyline.

That makes me think that there is going to be a split with Opie/Jax v. Clay/Tigs (or something). And then they'll work the US Atty angle to get the IRA and the cartel after the Sons because they are the lynchpins to the RICO case and the groups reunite over a common enemy before the final resolution of the Clay/Jax fight.

I will say this that if Sutter is going to do it for 3 more season I have faith in him to keep this story going strong for that many. So far he has done a great job with every finale and season premier to get you on the hook again!

He uses the same formula each season.

A storyline or 10 is slowly established, and each are intertwined and get very messy, only to have a season ending situation point it all in one particular direction(one way or the other).

It's great, because he doesnt just tie it all together all neat and cheesy. Like we saw when Jax's baby was stolen, sometimes it's pointed in a bad direction, but the storyline was definitely pointed in a cohesive direction.

He can do that a few more times.

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I sure as hell hope so. I had my issues with Season 3, but the finale "NS" was amazing and I still watch it to see how he weaved it all together.

I liked season three.

Didnt know people had issues with it.

But either way...I think if he sticks to the formula he's been using, he'll be able to put out a few more entertaining seasons.

I would like to see the Hale/Charming Heights storyline carry a few episodes (maybe next season). I like seeing the political aspects of SAMCRO go to work. Not to say the killing, machine gun, grenade launching is not awesome but it would interesting to see the Men of Mayhem use their smarts and political ties to take down a foe.

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I'm with you.


When the show started, it was easy to root for these guys, because they also gave back to the community. They held an annual carnival for the town, were present at fund raisers, and had 'fat elvis' show up to entertain at events, etc.

They were bad guys, but also very very community/family oriented. I'd like to see more of that again....especially if Jax takes over.

Seen all the episodes, but can't remember right now: was that the first time Opie heard for sure that Clay had his wife killed when trying to kill him?

no tig told him in season 2 i think?

I thought Jax told him....but he convinced him to follow his lead, and that they'd get payback later or something along those lines.

Did I make that up in my head?