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tailgatetimer10 said:Vernada said:planoaggie123 said:tailgatetimer10 said:
What's the deal with the announcers dogging Max
Agree. Not sure why they are punishing him so much.
Max races excessively aggressive. Like I said earlier he needs some more maturity.
And I like him. I'd like to see him win the championship. But I can still see that he doesn't give up when he should at times.
I think that's why they started piling on.
Funny enough Max caused no incidents today. Unless you're going to argue that he brake checked him. I didn't see any lights. Lewis on the other hand made contract with two cars.....
Not at all. This is just a general comment about his driving style needing some maturity.
Like I said, I root for Max and would like to see him win.
That comment wasn't directed at you, rather the obvious bias commentators
I've been a Hamilton fan a long long time. Today was utter Garbage. Hamilton knew 100% what Max was doing. Max didn't brake. He lifted and changed gears. Hamilton did the same because he didn't want to pass him there. Come on. Stop with the BS. Toto knew it when he watched the video with sky sports afterwards.
https://twitter.com/bRkGod94/status/1467595828130942976/video/1
Appears Lewis had plenty of room.
Furlock below knows how to embed. I do not. That's the video. Bad look for Lewis.
Appears Lewis had plenty of room.
Furlock below knows how to embed. I do not. That's the video. Bad look for Lewis.
This is so bad from Lewis.
Hamilton could overtake but he didn't!!! pic.twitter.com/imerbq9WQG
— sak (@sak67213736) December 5, 2021
Agree. That is bad. Clear he didn't want to take his pass at that moment. I don't think he can choose if given the allowance.
I am not sure from what we saw his tires would have let him win anyways but that was games by Hamilton
I am not sure from what we saw his tires would have let him win anyways but that was games by Hamilton
I will say the onboard video from Lewis looks less obvious than the aerial, Max seemed to be taking up much more of the track from Lewis's perspective in the car.
That being said Lewis still should've known. Max was driving so ridiculously slow for that part of the track, wtf else would he have been doing besides letting Lewis through.
Part of me wonders if Mercedes was purposefully waiting to tell Lewis that he had permission to overtake Max, that way Lewis could pass after that section and avoid immediately losing the position to Max again. On the live broadcast there was a radio transmission between FIA and Mercedes where FIA was pretty adamant they had told Mercedes that Lewis had permission to pass Max and Mercedes was claiming they hadn't been given enough time to relay the message.
This whole think stinks to high hell
That being said Lewis still should've known. Max was driving so ridiculously slow for that part of the track, wtf else would he have been doing besides letting Lewis through.
Part of me wonders if Mercedes was purposefully waiting to tell Lewis that he had permission to overtake Max, that way Lewis could pass after that section and avoid immediately losing the position to Max again. On the live broadcast there was a radio transmission between FIA and Mercedes where FIA was pretty adamant they had told Mercedes that Lewis had permission to pass Max and Mercedes was claiming they hadn't been given enough time to relay the message.
This whole think stinks to high hell
As someone who's driven on track for a few years, I don't think Max did anything wrong per se, but what he did was unexpected and that creates chaos.
Ham is locked onto his bumper and as soon as he realizes Max is checking up he's wondering what's wrong? He's looking for a crash beyond Max, a yellow flag, a yellow signal on the electronic flagging system... If he passes Max under any of those scenarios he's getting a penalty. People don't just slow down and let you pass in F1, especially Max.
It took Hamilton a second to process what was going on. I've had more close calls on track exactly the way it came about with Hamilton than all of my other close calls combined.
I've also been in Max's position in this instance and you get impatient that the guy behind you isn't taking the gift you are giving them... And after a second or two you say *****it and put your foot back into the gas.
That's what I saw today
Ham is locked onto his bumper and as soon as he realizes Max is checking up he's wondering what's wrong? He's looking for a crash beyond Max, a yellow flag, a yellow signal on the electronic flagging system... If he passes Max under any of those scenarios he's getting a penalty. People don't just slow down and let you pass in F1, especially Max.
It took Hamilton a second to process what was going on. I've had more close calls on track exactly the way it came about with Hamilton than all of my other close calls combined.
I've also been in Max's position in this instance and you get impatient that the guy behind you isn't taking the gift you are giving them... And after a second or two you say *****it and put your foot back into the gas.
That's what I saw today
I think that's a fair assessment.TulaneAg said:
As someone who's driven on track for a few years, I don't think Max did anything wrong per se, but what he did was unexpected and that creates chaos.
Ham is locked onto his bumper and as soon as he realizes Max is checking up he's wondering what's wrong? He's looking for a crash beyond Max, a yellow flag, a yellow signal on the electronic flagging system... If he passes Max under any of those scenarios he's getting a penalty. People don't just slow down and let you pass in F1, especially Max.
It took Hamilton a second to process what was going on. I've had more close calls on track exactly the way it came about with Hamilton than all of my other close calls combined.
I've also been in Max's position in this instance and you get impatient that the guy behind you isn't taking the gift you are giving them... And after a second or two you say *****it and put your foot back into the gas.
That's what I saw today
So for me any action that comes from this should come down to:
-When did FIA tell Mercedes that Max had been told to give up the position
-How long did Mercedes wait before relaying that news to Hamilton
If Mercedes sat on the info hoping they could relay the message to Hamilton in a more favorable location on the track then I feel like that has to result in some sort of penalty, but I also don't know the F1 rules so maybe there isn't.
I still want some clarity on the penalty PLUS track position. It seems a one or the other thing.
ALL SQUARE !
DRIVER STANDINGS
— Formula 1 (@F1) December 5, 2021
For the first time since 1974, our top two go into the finale TIED on points 🤯#SaudiArabianGP 🇸🇦 #F1 pic.twitter.com/aWnshxNyT7
So if they both crash out, tie breaker says Max wins?
Well you could be penalized points, so he can't just clip him on a turn for no reason.
- I think
- I think
So bad...How does Lewis not avoid hitting him there? That's like rush hour traffic 101 and this guy is arguably the GOAT. Wild race today.Furlock Bones said:
This is so bad from Lewis.Hamilton could overtake but he didn't!!! pic.twitter.com/imerbq9WQG
— sak (@sak67213736) December 5, 2021
Championship Scenarios for Next Week
- Lewis scores more points than Max - Lewis wins WDC
- Max scores more points than Lewis - Max wins WDC
- Max and Lewis score same points - Max wins WDC in tiebreaker because of more race wins
- Max and Lewis both score no points (or both DNF) - Max wins WDC in tiebreaker because of more race wins
Hamilton Keeps saying max hit the brakes heavily. It's clear that's not what happened. You can see it very clearly from the over-head view.
Like the announcers said, Max was going slow the entire straight, and Hamilton just cut it too close and ran into him. Hamilton playing the victim and saying Max brake-checked hi is ridiculous.
All that said...what a freakin fun race for the fans. I loved that.
Like the announcers said, Max was going slow the entire straight, and Hamilton just cut it too close and ran into him. Hamilton playing the victim and saying Max brake-checked hi is ridiculous.
All that said...what a freakin fun race for the fans. I loved that.
I think Checo has hurt Max this year by not qualifying high enough in races to make a difference. I think Hamilton will be crowned champion for a record 8th time with another 1/2 finish for Lewis and Max.
I think Red Bull underestimated the effect the new power units for Mercedes had. It will be interesting to see what the cars will do to the teams next year
I could see Checo being replaced by Pierre Gasly after 5-7 races next year
I think Red Bull underestimated the effect the new power units for Mercedes had. It will be interesting to see what the cars will do to the teams next year
I could see Checo being replaced by Pierre Gasly after 5-7 races next year
Max just got 10 more seconds tacked on for the braking.
Penalty doesn’t alter Verstappen’s finishing position. Full decision here. We head to Abu Dhabi all square! pic.twitter.com/WCQpzCxWbo
— Rachel Brookes (@RachelBrookesTV) December 5, 2021
That is some garbage right there. 10 seconds for breaking?
Lol autocorrect braking
Lol autocorrect braking
Doesn't affect the outcome of the race so whatever. But seems like a load of **** to me to claim his braking was erratic. Hamilton had opportunity to pass and obviously his goal was to pass Max to be in the lead. So because Max braked to give the position back, he got penalized? It would make sense if Max braked and swerved. But oh well.
At this point, I expect Lewis to win the race next week and win the title. Max doesn't have the straight line speed in his current engine to beat Lewis.
At this point, I expect Lewis to win the race next week and win the title. Max doesn't have the straight line speed in his current engine to beat Lewis.
Interesting take considering both Marko and Horner have said they are really pleased with Checo this year and he has performed better than Gasly and Albon. While Gasly qualifies great and loses places, Checo gains places, but it is no secret his Saturdays are a hit and miss.
There's really no junior driver to bring up to Red Bull next year, I don't see Tsunoda getting that seat anytime soon, and they ain't bringing Vips or Lawson right away to Red Bull, plus you can add Hauger to the Alpha Tauri contender mix next year.
There's really no junior driver to bring up to Red Bull next year, I don't see Tsunoda getting that seat anytime soon, and they ain't bringing Vips or Lawson right away to Red Bull, plus you can add Hauger to the Alpha Tauri contender mix next year.
Yep. You can't take a break in the middle of a race and block the track while weaving like a drunk.nai06 said:
That is some garbage right there. 10 seconds for breaking?
Y'all are really oversimplify the situation. If Lewis had passed right there they would have crossed the DRS detection line with Lewis in the lead. This would have given Max DRS down the straight and he would easily retake the position. Max played his hand later when he gave the position back for a spot where he then retook it within a second. Max was playing games with the "give the position back" and not really following what he needed to do.La Fours said:
Doesn't affect the outcome of the race so whatever. But seems like a load of **** to me to claim his braking was erratic. Hamilton had opportunity to pass and obviously his goal was to pass Max to be in the lead. So because Max braked to give the position back, he got penalized? It would make sense if Max braked and swerved. But oh well.
At this point, I expect Lewis to win the race next week and win the title. Max doesn't have the straight line speed in his current engine to beat Lewis.
AgGrad99 said:
Hamilton Keeps saying max hit the brakes heavily. It's clear that's not what happened. You can see it very clearly from the over-head view.
Like the announcers said, Max was going slow the entire straight, and Hamilton just cut it too close and ran into him. Hamilton playing the victim and saying Max brake-checked hi is ridiculous.
All that said...what a freakin fun race for the fans. I loved that.
The data shows he hit the brakes causing 2.4g in deceleration.
So Lewis was correct, Max did brake check him then drive off. Lewis appeared to not want to pass him before the DRS zone and Max didn't want to be passed after the DRS zone.
Yes, I did over simplify it. But is the end goal to not to be in the lead and win the race? Max was trying to use a good and legal strategy. He didn't weave down the track like a drunk. He braked so that Hamilton would go around him. This isn't like brake checking someone in traffic who is riding your ass. I don't think Max was trying to cause a collision. He wanted to give up the spot at the best place for him on the course. That's smart racing, and I would expect Hamilton to use that strategy as well if he were in that position. I want to say he did similar in a race earlier this year. Had Max continued around the track, then the conversation is he isn't giving the place back in a reasonable amount of time.
Horner had told him like two laps earlier to give the place back - why the wait? Oh, give it back "strategically" was the instructions - in other words "play games" - should have given it back immediately (and Lewis would have understood what Max was doing) - after two laps past the cutoff to gain an advantage he's assuming Max isn't giving back the place.La Fours said:
Yes, I did over simplify it. But is the end goal to not to be in the lead and win the race? Max was trying to use a good and legal strategy. He didn't weave down the track like a drunk. He braked so that Hamilton would go around him. This isn't like brake checking someone in traffic who is riding your ass. I don't think Max was trying to cause a collision. He wanted to give up the spot at the best place for him on the course. That's smart racing, and I would expect Hamilton to use that strategy as well if he were in that position. I want to say he did similar in a race earlier this year. Had Max continued around the track, then the conversation is he isn't giving the place back in a reasonable amount of time.
If you can give a place back whenever you want, then it seems like good strategy to do it when it benefits you. They have rules for everything else, they may need one that says when you give it back.
Both teams are trying to work every possible angle and push the limits.
Both teams are trying to work every possible angle and push the limits.
Was it 2 laps prior Max was told to give the place back? I honestly don't remember. It didn't seem that long between hearing the radio call and the incident in question. But I could be wrong.
La Fours said:
Was it 2 laps prior Max was told to give the place back? I honestly don't remember. It didn't seem that long between hearing the radio call and the incident in question. But I could be wrong.
No, it wasn't. Not for when Lewis rear ended max. It did take max like two laps to give it up the place the second time to Hamilton. You can point the finger at max all you want. But theyll just as easily be pointing back at Mercedes for not wanting to take the free pass there to give max drs. They were both playing games. Acting like they weren't is disingenuous at best.
So Max has 10 seconds of penalty on top of giving up the place. Ok. FIA is trying to prove a point to Max. The penalties that these two get are inconsistent
gggmann said:
WTF did I just watch?
"Whine to Survive."
F1 is more about litigation than racing. It's more about the officials than the sport. Same problem the NFL has.
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