EST = CQ, ol Ags
I'm not saying their outfit identity is on the same level as A&M - i.e. If you gave me a choice between attending a reunion for my class or a reunion for my outfit, I'd definitely choose the outfit reunion. But, they do have outfit identities and bag out the other outfits, etc.AgBQ-00 said:
In my experience as an exchange cadet to VMI they did not have the same outfit pride. Class pride...most definatly yes. But the outfits were all pretty generic.
I agree with that. One thing that amazes me is the fact that VMI 5th year and the ultra-rare 6th year cadets still have to go to formation, wear the uniform, etc. Could you imagine 5th, 6th and 7th year cadets at A&M?Quote:
You had a lot more cadets that were not as engaged as A&M. That comes from as you observed the lack of leadership opportunities.
Yeah, that one still trips me out. They have two hell weeks but after the second one circa February, they're just regular 4th class cadets, no more hard core corps games. Whereas we had to go hard all the way until mid-late April or even up to the old Canoe Trip (which of course is long gone).Quote:
Also the fact that our fish year is in fact a full year is a big difference.
Insty. Do we have Instagram models in the Corps?JKnight said:
There has been massive amounts of uproar on facebook, twitter, and instagram not to mention this particular forum. Now that widespread opposition has been established, many cadets are beginning to openly express their disagreements with the new policies. Why hasn't the OOC released a statement or even acknowledged this movement exists?
JKnight said:
There has been massive amounts of uproar on facebook, twitter, and instagram not to mention this particular forum. Now that widespread opposition has been established, many cadets are beginning to openly express their disagreements with the new policies. Why hasn't the OOC released a statement or even acknowledged this movement exists?
How was the General treated poorly? I have never heard this.Aggie Infantry said:
I am sure that Ramirez is behind this. When you hear his personal story of how bad he feels he was treated in the Corps, it all makes sense.
Difference between Ramirez and most of us is that he took it personally. We did not.
To name a few of my "favorite" ways that GRam could address this:snowmnag970 said:JKnight said:
There has been massive amounts of uproar on facebook, twitter, and instagram not to mention this particular forum. Now that widespread opposition has been established, many cadets are beginning to openly express their disagreements with the new policies. Why hasn't the OOC released a statement or even acknowledged this movement exists?
Because at the end of the day, General Ramirez will declare that this is all his sandbox, and if you don't like it, then gtfo. He's going to do what he wants to do and not give two turds about anyone else. He must preserve his "prestige/reputation" as the man who helped "bring the corps into the 21st Century".
BQ17 said:
No, these weak PT sessions will absolutely not give any of the cadets enough of a workout to be able to pass their PFT. The ROTCs have their own PT sessions multiple times a week because they know these new army PT sessions won't do enough for their soon-to-be commissioned officers. The goal isn't just to pass the PFT, it's to MAX it, and I promise that you cannot max the run portion at 8.5 to 9 minute pace, at LESS THAN 2 miles. These slow runs simply won't cut it for anyone, and will bring the entire CORPS PFT average down. You say to just exercise on your own, but do you not understand how much stuff these cadets deal with? A day for a cadet is JAM PACKED, and after exercising/training in the morning, going to formation, getting **** on in class all day, coming back to the dorm, and going to formation, they will be too tired/busy to exercise on their own.
I would strongly urge you to step back and look at what is happening here... These are cadets trying to gain a platform to speak from in safety. People like you have the ability to support them or shoot them down. Yes there is more to be done, however this is better than nothing. Furthermore, I would caution you to look back, at one point you felt the same, belittling people for not being in the same stage in life as you is not an argument, its ignorance. If this upset you so much why don't you go to campus and preach to the BQ's? These are questions aimed at attacking ones character and commitment not at addressing issues. The current corps climate pushes the PR aspect of making a big corps instead of focusing on cadets and their leadership development. We should try to retain the focus of this thread and not attack others.Drum5343 said:
Also, if you are so concerned with the future of our cadet corps, are you doing anything concrete about it? I mean besides *****ing on an internet thread.
You're practically dead anyway, so why would it matter if you and all your buddies were kicked out? Instead of just sitting, *****ing with your buddies in front of your 45 inch TVs while you troll Texags from your iPhone 7, why doesn't your entire BQ class march down to the commandants office and do something?
Your response might be, "He'll punish my unit next year!" But if the situation is as dire as you say it is, the Corps will be worthless anyway and will be nonexistent in 10 years. Why can't B-Co zips, if they are such hardasses, make sure the commandant's office knows exactly their concerns?
RossLawrence1876 said:I would strongly urge you to step back and look at what is happening here... These are cadets trying to gain a platform to speak from in safety. People like you have the ability to support them or shoot them down. Yes there is more to be done, however this is better than nothing. Furthermore, I would caution you to look back, at one point you felt the same, belittling people for not being in the same stage in life as you is not an argument, its ignorance. If this upset you so much why don't you go to campus and preach to the BQ's? These are questions aimed at attacking ones character and commitment not at addressing issues. The current corps climate pushes the PR aspect of making a big corps instead of focusing on cadets and their leadership development. We should try to retain the focus of this thread and not attack others.Drum5343 said:
Also, if you are so concerned with the future of our cadet corps, are you doing anything concrete about it? I mean besides *****ing on an internet thread.
You're practically dead anyway, so why would it matter if you and all your buddies were kicked out? Instead of just sitting, *****ing with your buddies in front of your 45 inch TVs while you troll Texags from your iPhone 7, why doesn't your entire BQ class march down to the commandants office and do something?
Your response might be, "He'll punish my unit next year!" But if the situation is as dire as you say it is, the Corps will be worthless anyway and will be nonexistent in 10 years. Why can't B-Co zips, if they are such hardasses, make sure the commandant's office knows exactly their concerns?
Wildman15 said:
We should have a drink after final review
But that's life isn't it? None of us have much free time because we're working to take care of our families. What I'm saying is that if they "don't have time" to do extra PT it is not the Corps' fault. They need to take responsibility for that.loveaTm said:
lordy, this is escalating quickly. You know their schedules and their TV sizes. Did you invest your life savings in CTO PT training manuals or something?
How busy they are depends on their major and what else they are involved in. However I can assure you that none of them have much time free apart from Friday nights. Perhaps you were a lazy butt when you were there but don't project.
Would you risk your job? Would you throw 1600 dollars away? It's not that simple and let it be known this thread started as a simple display of changes not an attack at a person. Its not safe spaces, I am not making you accommodate me, you chose to read these. You chose to be triggered. Why? I'm not sure, if anything I would expect an Ol' Ag to support cadets wishing for a harder corps that is a bigger challenge. But if that is how you feel, there is no point in arguing, I will respect your opinion, however if you do wish to see change, and disagree with the means used, then calmly suggesting a change of plans would be a welcome thought to be included.Drum5343 said:RossLawrence1876 said:I would strongly urge you to step back and look at what is happening here... These are cadets trying to gain a platform to speak from in safety. People like you have the ability to support them or shoot them down. Yes there is more to be done, however this is better than nothing. Furthermore, I would caution you to look back, at one point you felt the same, belittling people for not being in the same stage in life as you is not an argument, its ignorance. If this upset you so much why don't you go to campus and preach to the BQ's? These are questions aimed at attacking ones character and commitment not at addressing issues. The current corps climate pushes the PR aspect of making a big corps instead of focusing on cadets and their leadership development. We should try to retain the focus of this thread and not attack others.Drum5343 said:
Also, if you are so concerned with the future of our cadet corps, are you doing anything concrete about it? I mean besides *****ing on an internet thread.
You're practically dead anyway, so why would it matter if you and all your buddies were kicked out? Instead of just sitting, *****ing with your buddies in front of your 45 inch TVs while you troll Texags from your iPhone 7, why doesn't your entire BQ class march down to the commandants office and do something?
Your response might be, "He'll punish my unit next year!" But if the situation is as dire as you say it is, the Corps will be worthless anyway and will be nonexistent in 10 years. Why can't B-Co zips, if they are such hardasses, make sure the commandant's office knows exactly their concerns?
I don't think complaining about the commandant on Texags is actually better than nothing. It is either worse or the same as doing nothing.
These cadets don't need to speak from a platform of safety! They need to take some risk! "Oh no I might get kicked out of the corps and that would be hella embarrassing!"
If these cadets want to be leaders, they can't rely on safe spaces! They need to take risks and be willing to face the consequences.
Would I risk my job? For what? If I believed my bosses were driving the company into the ground, I hope that I would risk my job by speaking up. And if I get fired for raising my concerns, then that was probably a terrible organization anyway.RossLawrence1876 said:Would you risk your job? Would you throw 1600 dollars away? It's not that simple and let it be known this thread started as a simple display of changes not an attack at a person. Its not safe spaces, I am not making you accommodate me, you chose to read these. You chose to be triggered. Why? I'm not sure, if anything I would expect an Ol' Ag to support cadets wishing for a harder corps that is a bigger challenge. But if that is how you feel, there is no point in arguing, I will respect your opinion, however if you do wish to see change, and disagree with the means used, then calmly suggesting a change of plans would be a welcome thought to be included.Drum5343 said:RossLawrence1876 said:I would strongly urge you to step back and look at what is happening here... These are cadets trying to gain a platform to speak from in safety. People like you have the ability to support them or shoot them down. Yes there is more to be done, however this is better than nothing. Furthermore, I would caution you to look back, at one point you felt the same, belittling people for not being in the same stage in life as you is not an argument, its ignorance. If this upset you so much why don't you go to campus and preach to the BQ's? These are questions aimed at attacking ones character and commitment not at addressing issues. The current corps climate pushes the PR aspect of making a big corps instead of focusing on cadets and their leadership development. We should try to retain the focus of this thread and not attack others.Drum5343 said:
Also, if you are so concerned with the future of our cadet corps, are you doing anything concrete about it? I mean besides *****ing on an internet thread.
You're practically dead anyway, so why would it matter if you and all your buddies were kicked out? Instead of just sitting, *****ing with your buddies in front of your 45 inch TVs while you troll Texags from your iPhone 7, why doesn't your entire BQ class march down to the commandants office and do something?
Your response might be, "He'll punish my unit next year!" But if the situation is as dire as you say it is, the Corps will be worthless anyway and will be nonexistent in 10 years. Why can't B-Co zips, if they are such hardasses, make sure the commandant's office knows exactly their concerns?
I don't think complaining about the commandant on Texags is actually better than nothing. It is either worse or the same as doing nothing.
These cadets don't need to speak from a platform of safety! They need to take some risk! "Oh no I might get kicked out of the corps and that would be hella embarrassing!"
If these cadets want to be leaders, they can't rely on safe spaces! They need to take risks and be willing to face the consequences.