Texas Tech is moving forward with the vet school

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Maroon Dawn
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What you should really be embarrassed about is that it only took 2 years of existence for A&M law to pass TBATs 50 year old law school
Dock
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I'm extremely embarrassed.
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Texas Tech representatives have said the estimated cost of the college's proposed vet school is $65 million to $90 million and that Tech would enter into a collaborative relationship with regional clinics to forgo an expensive animal hospital.
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Texas A&M, which viewed the report as a justification of its efforts to expand its veterinary school, is working to open a $120 million veterinary teaching complex and is sending veterinary specialists to some of its regional campuses to try to increase the number of applicants from those areas.
It sounds like Texas Tech is going on the cheap here -- a brand new school, with deferment of some cost as a partnership would be created to use existing facilities to do the clinical things. Texas A&M on the other hand is looking to spend $120 million dollars, some where between 133-185% more than what Tech is willing to spend on a whole school, just for a teaching complex.

The sum of $90 million sounds like a lot of money, but it really is not when it comes to build utilities, infrastructure, and facilities that makes up an encompassing school. Granted it is not a true apples-to-apples comparison, but the US military just spent over $1.2 billion dollars on the new San Antonio Medical Center -- the point is that something like a medical/vet program is not cheap to carry out.

Texas Tech, if they are able to start the program, will have to get more money in the future as more facilities will need to be built -- $60 million is an insignificant amount, and $90 million can help with a couple of more buildings.
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The sum of $90 million sounds like a lot of money, but it really is not when it comes to build utilities, infrastructure, and facilities that makes up an encompassing school. Granted it is not a true apples-to-apples comparison, but the US military just spent over $720 million dollars on the new San Antonio Medical Center -- the point is that something like a medical/vet program is not cheap to carry out


comparing the cost of a startup vet program to the cost of a 500-bed level 1 trauma center owned and operated by the United States government isn't apples to apples...it's more like apples to volkswagons.

90 million will go a long way, especially when they use a facility already built.

But awesome post either way. Man Tech is so poor!
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$90 million may go a long way in Lubbock, but in civilized communities, that won't buy hardly anything.
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lol
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The sum of $90 million sounds like a lot of money, but it really is not when it comes to build utilities, infrastructure, and facilities that makes up an encompassing school. Granted it is not a true apples-to-apples comparison, but the US military just spent over $720 million dollars on the new San Antonio Medical Center -- the point is that something like a medical/vet program is not cheap to carry out


comparing the cost of a startup vet program to the cost of a 500-bed level 1 trauma center owned and operated by the United States government isn't apples to apples...it's more like apples to volkswagons.

90 million will go a long way, especially when they use a facility already built.

But awesome post either way. Man Tech is so poor!
I am sorry that you missed my point. Let me try it from another direction instead. The construction at SAMC is more than a new hospital, but also includes teaching spaces, offices, parking, infrastructure (lots of utilities) -- it is not cheap. The new Wilford Hall at Lackland AFB was in the $450 million range by itself, which is an ambulatory facility and more serious cases go to BAMC. It just goes to show how Tech is trying to save money by instead of building a clinic, it is putting its money in items like offices, utilities, and classrooms.

Let's say that Tech raises $75 million dollars to do whatever is in their master plan. The fees for the architectural-engineering services, construction oversight, and contingencies will run about 20% and be taken off the top. Now that $75 million is about $61 million. Will the new Tech vet complex be in an area with other facilities or will it need to spend more money on getting sewer, water, roads, parking, electricity, and telecommunications too? Lets say the runs will not be much, so $2 million for utilities alone. Save money for utilities means that a parking structure may likely have to be built to compensate. Which leaves about $59 million for a building.

According to the Amarillo Global News in January 2015, Xcel was planning to construct an office building for $42 million. The cost is for about 520 employees and about 119,000 SF of space. Lets say that the vet school will use something similar to this HQ building, but in addition to normal office and classroom (comparable to large conference rooms) spaces, the school needs to also needs some rudimentary clinical spaces. The specialized spaces will cost more per SF, which means a small building in the process. The city is to spend another $14 million on a parking garage for the area.

Just using $75 million dollars as an example, the money does not go very far and that does not even count the money for space to do the hands-on stuff.


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I'm extremely embarrassed.

You pay for this emoticon; you should use it.
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The sum of $90 million sounds like a lot of money, but it really is not when it comes to build utilities, infrastructure, and facilities that makes up an encompassing school. Granted it is not a true apples-to-apples comparison, but the US military just spent over $720 million dollars on the new San Antonio Medical Center -- the point is that something like a medical/vet program is not cheap to carry out


comparing the cost of a startup vet program to the cost of a 500-bed level 1 trauma center owned and operated by the United States government isn't apples to apples...it's more like apples to volkswagons.

90 million will go a long way, especially when they use a facility already built.

But awesome post either way. Man Tech is so poor!
I am sorry that you missed my point. Let me try it from another direction instead. The construction at SAMC is more than a new hospital, but also includes teaching spaces, offices, parking, infrastructure (lots of utilities) -- it is not cheap. The new Wilford Hall at Lackland AFB was in the $450 million range by itself, which is an ambulatory facility and more serious cases go to BAMC. It just goes to show how Tech is trying to save money by instead of building a clinic, it is putting its money in items like offices, utilities, and classrooms.

Let's say that Tech raises $75 million dollars to do whatever is in their master plan. The fees for the architectural-engineering services, construction oversight, and contingencies will run about 20% and be taken off the top. Now that $75 million is about $61 million. Will the new Tech vet complex be in an area with other facilities or will it need to spend more money on getting sewer, water, roads, parking, electricity, and telecommunications too? Lets say the runs will not be much, so $2 million for utilities alone. Save money for utilities means that a parking structure may likely have to be built to compensate. Which leaves about $59 million for a building.

According to the Amarillo Global News in January 2015, Xcel was planning to construct an office building for $42 million. The cost is for about 520 employees and about 119,000 SF of space. Lets say that the vet school will use something similar to this HQ building, but in addition to normal office and classroom (comparable to large conference rooms) spaces, the school needs to also needs some rudimentary clinical spaces. The specialized spaces will cost more per SF, which means a small building in the process. The city is to spend another $14 million on a parking garage for the area.

Just using $75 million dollars as an example, the money does not go very far and that does not even count the money for space to do the hands-on stuff.





Good lord dude
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The fight is still on.

Tard wants to build one from scratch while we are proposing satellite campuses of our existing vet school in places like Canyon at WTAMU

If they don't like it then they shouldn't have helped block us from getting s law school all those years and then cry when the shoes on the other foot


Pretty sure you **********s have been blocking that vet school at least as long as we opposed the law school.

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I guess the real question is which one will have better prestige: the satellite at WT A&M or the unaccredited one at Lubbock?
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I graduated in 2002 and have split my working years between Semiconductors and industrial oil and gas sales. Lived in Austin and Houston and sell all over the state. Not once have I ever crossed paths with a TBAT grad in a working environment or seen their Xerox degree in a frame. I'm being 100% honest when I ask what the hell do they all do for work?
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I graduated in 2002 and have split my working years between Semiconductors and industrial oil and gas sales. Lived in Austin and Houston and sell all over the state. Not once have I ever crossed paths with a TBAT grad in a working environment or seen their Xerox degree in a frame. I'm being 100% honest when I ask what the hell do they all do for work?


Given that Tech has a damn good petroleum engineering program, the better question is what are you doing with your career???
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The fight is still on.

Tard wants to build one from scratch while we are proposing satellite campuses of our existing vet school in places like Canyon at WTAMU

If they don't like it then they shouldn't have helped block us from getting s law school all those years and then cry when the shoes on the other foot


Pretty sure you **********s have been blocking that vet school at least as long as we opposed the law school.




Ya but Tech is a nothing
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Halliburton and Baker Hughes are my 2 current customers. I work directly with their drilling tool engineering departments. Not a TBATer in either company.
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Halliburton and Baker Hughes are my 2 current customers. I work directly with their drilling tool engineering departments. Not a TBATer in either company.




You must've missed this guy then
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I graduated in 2002 and have split my working years between Semiconductors and industrial oil and gas sales. Lived in Austin and Houston and sell all over the state. Not once have I ever crossed paths with a TBAT grad in a working environment or seen their Xerox degree in a frame. I'm being 100% honest when I ask what the hell do they all do for work?


Given that Tech has a damn good petroleum engineering program, the better question is what are you doing with your career???
Tech has petroleum engineering?
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Question to the blog.

Being just a dumb Alabama grad, doesn't the vet school have to be accredited before they can produce vets?

What good is a vet school that isn't recognized for meeting actual standards?

Roll Tide.
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If I remember correctly the argument that A&M used to get a medical school was to get more medical doctors for small towns in Texas. Once you get that degree they can't legally make you practice in a certain market.


TBAT is modifying that argument with large animal vs small animal education.

Big bucks in the vet world is small poodles. No money in horses and cattle.

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So if I understand there is not small animal or large animal specific certification. So is Tech going to only give instruction in large/farm animals? Are they going to create a 'large animal certification" so that they can actually train up vets to fit the specific need that are supposedly creating this VET school to meet?

If not then it's all BS.
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The sum of $90 million sounds like a lot of money, but it really is not when it comes to build utilities, infrastructure, and facilities that makes up an encompassing school. Granted it is not a true apples-to-apples comparison, but the US military just spent over $720 million dollars on the new San Antonio Medical Center -- the point is that something like a medical/vet program is not cheap to carry out


comparing the cost of a startup vet program to the cost of a 500-bed level 1 trauma center owned and operated by the United States government isn't apples to apples...it's more like apples to volkswagons.

90 million will go a long way, especially when they use a facility already built.

But awesome post either way. Man Tech is so poor!

Here is mouth breathing Dock, just on here on a weekend defending any and everything related to Texas BADAZZ Tech. Good job dude
Rocco S
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Good job
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Thanks guys!!
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All the Petroleum engineer tech grads I know are a bunch of mouth breathing knuckle draggers. The Aggie engineers are by far better and their rigs perform better.
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http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-08-24/texas-tech-details-vet-school-plan
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Texas Tech University's plans to build a new veterinary school in Amarillo use an approach that forgoes expensive construction and potentially allows undergraduates to enter the program earlier, with the hope that the school will receive significant philanthropic support.

On Wednesday, Tech System Chancellor Robert Duncan and other Tech officials presented several ways they plan to overcome upcoming hurdles in their quest to open the school by the fall of 2019: Gaining approval of the program from The Higher Education Coordinating Board, Texas' higher education oversight agency, and securing funding from the Texas Legislature.
In a recent report, Coordinating Board staff recognized that there isn't a need for a new traditional veterinary school, but members left the door open for a college that can find an "innovative, cost-efficient" way to produce large-animal veterinarians, which are in short supply in Texas.
The university hopes to accelerate the time to a DVM degree for students by allowing undergraduates to enter the degree program after two or three years instead of the traditional four.

umber of family practitioners, which face a similar issue revolving around student debt and salaries.
"We wouldn't condense the four years of professional veterinary training, but where we can focus is the pre-vet period," Interim Vice President for Research Guy Loneragan said.

Another primary focus of the university will be implementing a veterinary school model developed in Calgary, which involves forging partnerships with regional veterinary practices to provide clinical experiences for students in lieu of a centralized teaching hospital.
"I think it's going to be a very efficient model for the legislature to consider," Duncan said, adding that he planned for the system to seek state funding during the next legislative session, which convenes in January.
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Potentially complicating the plan is the fact that Texas A&M University System is set to soon complete a $120 million veterinary teaching complex at its flagship College Station campus and begin an initiative that will see specialists sent to regional campuses to funnel students from those areas into its bolstered veterinary school. The system in January announced that West Texas A&M University would be a part of that initiative.
A&M brass has pointed to the recent Coordinating Board report as justification of its own efforts to expand. A similar report several years ago called for Texas A&M University to increase its vet school enrollment and recognize a need for more large-animal vets.
"The solution that the Coordinating Board asked for was followed by Texas A&M completely, and now the system schools are involved in it, too," A&M System Chancellor John Sharp said during a Monday meeting with the Amarillo Globe-News editorial board.
Sharp looked to a planned $48 million Agricultural Sciences Complex at WT, which is set to largely be funded by tuition revenue bonds that are paid back by the state, as supporting a pipeline from the Texas Panhandle to College Station. Sharp also said the system planned on asking for more appropriations to further strengthen its partnership with regional universities.
Referring to the two plans, Sharp said, "The legislature is not going to fund them both
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The American Quarter Horse Association is headquartered in Amarillo. Whichever school wants this more needs to get them on board. If you could get the public support of the AQHA, you could probably kill the other school's momentum.

How many Ags and WTAMU alum work for/with/are members of the AQHA vs Tech Alum?
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So if I understand there is not small animal or large animal specific certification. So is Tech going to only give instruction in large/farm animals? Are they going to create a 'large animal certification" so that they can actually train up vets to fit the specific need that are supposedly creating this VET school to meet?

If not then it's all BS.
who would go to school just to be a large animal vet? you'd get all the debt, but only half the education.
Most large animal (rural) vets do pets as well to make ends meet.

That's assuming that the state board would even allow someone to be licensed on large animals only. Or would they get just enough small animal experience to squeak by on the cert. Then you have a bunch of half-assed vets working on pets b/c they can't pay the bills working on just large animals.
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When leaders use words like "innovative", "cost-efficient", and "very efficient model" to describe a to how a program/mission needs to be done; then it is time to wonder if the scope is too big for Tech to be paying the bills.
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It sounds like A&M is doing what is was asked to do by the state.
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Honestly I don't see how this as a rivalry issue. I get talking smack with one another on dumb things like sports, etc. - but a vet school? Or Law school? Some of you guys need to get a life.

State universities in Texas are designed generally for application training in many of the practical professions required to run a diverse economy/society. Just like an SMU law degree is the standard in Dallas, a Tech law degree is the culture in much of west Texas. And regardless your affiliation, your tax money is going to public education in Texas. If you have been on any advisory councils in any of the universities you know very well that what is provided is only what the market will bear long term. I don't personally know much about the vet industry but universities have finite funding and a new law school or vet school would not be established without years of study and due diligence. Let the university people figure out what programs best serve their regional markets.

The argument about one school per state is dumb. Texas has a population the size of the 18-19 smallest states combined. And given the geographic diversity and size of Texas you could perhaps make the argument that Texas needs three vet schools. Tech has a very good Ag college; and considering the amount of protein production and population growth in the American southwest it makes good sense for us to invest there. Try to look around your maroon colored glasses and see what is best for the state. All of the state universities in Texas are growing and the days of 'owning' a particular market segment - like vet training - is quickly coming to an end. Avoid the inevitable rush and embrace it now.
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Honestly I don't see how this as a rivalry issue. I get talking smack with one another on dumb things like sports, etc. - but a vet school? Or Law school? Some of you guys need to get a life.

State universities in Texas are designed generally for application training in many of the practical professions required to run a diverse economy/society. Just like an SMU law degree is the standard in Dallas, a Tech law degree is the culture in much of west Texas. And regardless your affiliation, your tax money is going to public education in Texas. If you have been on any advisory councils in any of the universities you know very well that what is provided is only what the market will bear long term. I don't personally know much about the vet industry but universities have finite funding and a new law school or vet school would not be established without years of study and due diligence. Let the university people figure out what programs best serve their regional markets.

The argument about one school per state is dumb. Texas has a population the size of the 18-19 smallest states combined. And given the geographic diversity and size of Texas you could perhaps make the argument that Texas needs three vet schools. Tech has a very good Ag college; and considering the amount of protein production and population growth in the American southwest it makes good sense for us to invest there. Try to look around your maroon colored glasses and see what is best for the state. All of the state universities in Texas are growing and the days of 'owning' a particular market segment - like vet training - is quickly coming to an end. Avoid the inevitable rush and embrace it now.

Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard.
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You're not a rival. You're a substandard education. Stick to STD's and dust storms. Tech could shut its doors and the state wouldn't notice. Your school's relevance is equivalent to fly **** in a pasture.
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http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/texas-tech-forms-panel-on-second-veterinary-school/article_a9db867d-d5c6-5f6d-ae20-f13608c99100.html

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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:00 am

The Texas Tech University System announced the formation of a steering committee for its proposed College of Veterinary Medicine on Wednesday, moving forward with the planned program despite questions over the need for an additional veterinary medicine college in the state.

The committee, made up of veterinary, agricultural and community leaders, is set to collaborate on a vision for the proposed rural-focused college, which is planned to be established at the Texas Tech University Health Science Center in Amarillo.
Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp called the Texas Tech System's decision to move forward unnecessary, raising questions over the need for an additional program alongside Texas A&M's planned expansion.
"They're trying to solve a problem that we have spent $120 million in the last five years solving and the coordinating board told us to solve," Sharp said. "I think the coordinating board spoke it better than I do; we don't need another vet school. This one is the third-best in the country, and there's no reason to dilute it by taking money away from it to give to some other vet school that may or may not even be accredited."
In July, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board reaffirmed its earlier decision that the state is not in need of any additional veterinary colleges to supplement those operated through the Texas A&M University System, including new regional partnerships with West Texas A&M University, Prairie View A&M University, Texas A&M University-Kingsville and Tarleton State University that were announced in January.
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With sharp involved, tech will have one
 
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