***** Official Rangers Off-Season Thread *****

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4:03p, 12/12/20
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Rangers Baseball Express, LLC owns the franchise. Mr. Davis and Simpson own most of it. After they bought the team in 2010, Chuck Greenberg was bought out first - then Nolan Ryan. Neither of them owned a controlling interest.

Not sure who all are still minority owners but Mr. Pride was still one of them. Less than 1%, I believe, but still more than I own.
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4:20p, 12/12/20
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If we trade and get a MLB starter we are going it wrong. We need minor league high upside players so bad.

I can't believe how quickly our minor league teams sucked
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In reply to DeangeloVickers • 4:30p, 12/12/20
DeangeloVickers said:
If we trade and get a MLB starter we are going it wrong. We need minor league high upside players so bad.

I can't believe how quickly our minor league teams sucked
Dunning and lowe both have 5-6 years of control off the top of my head. Dahl has 3 years of control.

These guys are potential building blocks.
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5:12p, 12/12/20
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it is not unreasonable to think Guzman may not be the man at 1B.
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5:40p, 12/12/20
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At age 26, I think peak Guzman is probably a .250 hitter who could hit 20 HR's and play good defense. There are worse things, but if that is what is holding down 1B, they need a guy that can rake at the other corner if you are trying to put a contender together vs an average team with a bunch of replacement level players. Hipefully one of these developing guys like Jung can be that guy
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 12:17p, 12/13/20
DallasAg 94 said:
Grapesoda2525 said:
DeangeloVickers said:
If we trade and get a MLB starter we are going it wrong. We need minor league high upside players so bad.

I can't believe how quickly our minor league teams sucked
Dunning and lowe both have 5-6 years of control off the top of my head. Dahl has 3 years of control.

These guys are potential building blocks.
I want to be optimistic, but Lowe looks like Guzman. We can stack a ton of "just a guy" types on the roster, but we only get 40 spots. At some point, you need some quality.

I don't think we can determine what we have with Dunning. The short season probably helped his return from TJ. 34 IP/7GS is probably better than 150 IP. I didn't follow him, but with expanded rosters and a shorter season, I don't think we really know if he will be a sub-4.00 ERA pitcher.

He would be a Rule V guy, so he is on the roster. Yes, I know the draft just happened, but after 2021...

We have a ton of guys like Dunning.

For 2021, we'll have (slated for rotation):
Kyle Gibson (32): 5.35 ERA in 12 GS
Jordan Lyles (29): 7.02 ERA in 9 GS

Kolby Allard (22): 7.75 ERA in 8 GS
Kyle Cody (25): 1.59 ERA in 5 GS
Dane Dunning (25)
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Next man up:
Joe Palumbo (25)
Brett Martin (25)
Taylor Hearn (25)
John King (25)
Joe Gatto (25)
Brock Burke (23)

Jonathan Hernandez (23)
AJ Alexy (22)

Those are just guys on the current roster.

Glad we got something for Lance Lynn, but Dunning could be just another AAA SP competing for a rotation role among the other 25 year olds we already have.
The recent trades made sense because unfortunately for the rangers, the vast majority of their talent or "quality" in the minor leagues is still concentrated at the lower levels. They needed some major league ready guys to step in and play.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 12:41p, 12/13/20
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DallasAg 94 said:
For 2021, we'll have (slated for rotation):
Kyle Gibson (32): 5.35 ERA in 12 GS
Jordan Lyles (29): 7.02 ERA in 9 GS

Kolby Allard (22): 7.75 ERA in 8 GS
Kyle Cody (25): 1.59 ERA in 5 GS
Dane Dunning (25)
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Next man up:
Joe Palumbo (25)
Brett Martin (25)
Taylor Hearn (25)
John King (25)
Joe Gatto (25)
Brock Burke (23)

Jonathan Hernandez (23)
AJ Alexy (22)
Isn't Wes Benjamin a starter?

I agree this is the weakest unit on our team. For this season, you cross your fingers and hope Gibson and Lyles are better. Cody and Dunning - well, we're gonna find out if they're part of the future.
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5:50p, 12/14/20
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 6:46p, 12/14/20
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DallasAg 94 said:
New GM same as Old GM.


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/rangers-sign-jharel-cotton-jason-martin-to-minor-league-deals.html


Jharel Cotton is a decent starting pitcher coming off TJ surgery. No harm in giving him a flyer on a minor league contract.

Jason Martin sucks.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 6:55p, 12/14/20
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Signing those kinds of guys isn't a problem. It's a problem when that's basically all you do. They're gonna have to fill out a roster somehow.
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In reply to Quincey P. Morris • 8:58p, 12/14/20
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Ranger #007 said:
Signing those kinds of guys isn't a problem. It's a problem when that's basically all you do. They're gonna have to fill out a roster somehow.
Yep. This teams absolutely loves handing out fliers. YOU get a flyer, YOU get a flyer, YOU get a flyer.
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2:27p, 12/15/20
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Montero gone to Mariners for a 17 year old pitching prospect. This one is a bit of a head scratcher. I realize Montero is AB3, but he was good last year - seems like we coulda got more.
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10:18a, 12/16/20
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Which TJ pitchers looking for a comeback are taking up a spot on the 40?
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In reply to CampingAg • 11:40a, 12/16/20
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8:40p, 12/16/20
I wish we had better players.
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9:57p, 12/16/20
College football at the ballpark, just what we've always wanted!
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10:25p, 12/16/20
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Why are you complaining about that?
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10:33p, 12/16/20
Because that's my shtick?

Actually, as long as it's not A&M I don't really mind, though I hate all the gimmicky neutral site stuff.
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 11:12p, 12/16/20
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Context? Was something about this mentioned above and I'm blind?
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In reply to dvldog • 9:37a, 12/17/20
Army vs Air Force next year at GLF
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 12:21p, 12/17/20
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Ah. Thanks for the reply.
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1:15p, 12/17/20
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 1:42p, 12/17/20
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Proposition Joe said:
College football at the ballpark, just what we've always wanted!
I'm glad the game is coming to Arlington, but from a financially disinterested big picture viewpoint, its dumb to play it inside Globe Life Field, which is sandwiched between a real football stadium and Globe Life Park, which was partially renovated to essentially become a football stadium.

Arlington doesn't need 3 40,000+ seat football stadiums.
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7:27p, 12/17/20
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By the way, based on the renderings...they're going to have to do what they did at Wrigley Field and have each offense play in the same direction all game. The endzone boundary is right against the outfield wall.

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10:32p, 12/18/20
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I'm in a Rangers history internet wormhole (depressing I know). What's the story behind why Chuck Morgan went to KC for the 2002 season?
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10:51p, 12/18/20
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If I recall, KC hired away the Rangers VP of Sales/Marketing, and I guess Chuck was close to him so he brought Chuck along. But the pull back to Texas was too much so he bailed after a year. I also think Chuck and Jim Lites butted heads which played a part.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 3:46p, 12/19/20
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DallasAg 94 said:
DannyDuberstein said:
If I recall, KC hired away the Rangers VP of Sales/Marketing, and I guess Chuck was close to him so he brought Chuck along. But the pull back to Texas was too much so he bailed after a year. I also think Chuck and Jim Lites butted heads which played a part.
I think that was also along the time that Lites wanted to change the Rangers game-day experience to be more like the Dallas Stars.

They cranked up the music between batters and made it just awful.

A sport designed for conversation was suddenly alienating one of its core benefits.
Thanks. Interesting. I stumbled upon a Rangers Angels game from 2002 on YouTube. It was just weird.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 10:36a, 12/21/20
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DallasAg 94 said:
My biggest gripe about the new GLP is that seats are directed to the top of the infield dirt behind 2B. That means if you want to watch baseball, you have to rotate 30+% to see the pitcher's mound...
Not from my seat boo-yah....

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In reply to wbt5845 • 12:20p, 12/21/20
Correct.
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3:26p, 12/24/20
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I missed this, it's about a week old. Former Ag Wacha to the Rays for pretty cheap. You'd think the Rangers would have (should have) been interested in him at that price range.



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