***** USMNT vs The Netherlands WC R16 Game Thread (12/3) *****

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DeangeloVickers said:


meh. US subbed in an MLS player in that match who had to make 8 header clearances in a matter of minutes to save off the win.
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akm91 said:

What a dumb take. Japan started two players playing in their domestic league that took down Germany.
That logic would make sense if they played in the MLS.

We're not bashing the Japanese domestic league.

Catch up dude.
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also, US only allowed one goal through three group stage matches, and it was scored by an MLS player for Wales. An MLS player for Switzerland almost scored vs Portugal just now.
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Can we blame the USMNT's lack of offensive creativity on all the Euro leagues that value system over originality?
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oh no said:

also, US only allowed one goal through three group stage matches, and it was scored by an MLS player for Wales.
Caused by a silly penalty by a MLS player.

And when Bale scored that goal in the MLS cup, it was the biggest one in his career. As a wee lad in Wales, he hoped someday he'd be old enough and want to play golf in the US to win a MLS cup.
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Some rando on Portugal scored the same amount of goals in 66 minutes that it took the entire US team to score in 4 games (including the accidental one vs. the Netherlands)
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It's spelled R-A-M-O-S.
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Quote:

(including the accidental one vs. the Netherlands)
best scuffed ball since the app state game
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Risking our possible golden generation and home field advantage on a guy who really struggles with game adaptation and management. I see you USSF
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Stupid is as stupid does…
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wangus12 said:

Risking our possible golden generation and home field advantage on a guy who really struggles with game adaptation and management. I see you USSF


I agree with your premise but I think this isn't a golden generation. The players coming up behind them might be better.
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That's the platinum group
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I'm not sure I can handle another four years of people complaining about Gregg
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Author's solution seems ambitious and somehow more of the same:
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The following managers are available:
Bielsa
Deschamps
Roberto Martinez
Joachim Low
Ricardo Gareca
All should be interviewed & USSF should pay any of them 3-5 mil a year for the job. Anything less is a lack of ambition from them which is letting down this generation of players.
Assuming any of those guys want the job, does USSF have $3-5 million a year to pay? Maybe keep Ggg for two years at $1.5MM per and pick up one of the above in advance of WCQ. The team doesn't even need to really compete in WCQ this cycle does it?
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No way any of those would coach the USMNT given that USSF wants the coach to be based in Chicago.

Would be intrigued by Enrique but don't see him moving to Chicago.
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Maybe we can spring the cash for Fat Sam Allardyce. I recall he was interested before.

Manager Fat Sam
Co-Technical Directors Nuno Esprito Santo and Rafa Benitez

It's a whole international smorgasbord.
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I think we need to get a coach with national team experience. And preferably has made a WC QF.
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DeangeloVickers said:


Interesting read and pretty spot on outside of his complaint about specific MLS players.

Mihailovic is going to be very good for us and we're it not for the bad timing of his during the MLS season might have been on the roster, excited to see him move to the Eredivisie. Slonina is an absolute future star but is only 18, you can argue that he should've been brought for experience and wouldn't have played but he's not some massive snub this go round. Vasquez is the one with a decent argument, the fact he hasn't at least gotten a call up yet is criminal.
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I'm sorry but Bielsa? If you want utter chaos ball that will ultimately explode in your face at some point, then sure...why not. Man hasn't coached a national team in more than a decade and was average at best when he did. He is not the stable presence required over a 4 year cycle.

Martinez? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Belgium succeeded in spite of him not because of him.

The only person on that list that I would be excited about is Low. For years the US has effectively been trying to replicate what Germany did between 2006 and 2018. Might as well get the guy who led them through most of it. I have zero hope of him being interviewed and even less hope of him being interested. (Gareca has some interesting credentials but this feels more like a "Hey, he did some good things with a mid-tier country so let's add him to the list rather than critically think if this in anyway makes sense or is realistic" consideration.)

I haven't read that thread but I'm not inclined to if that's the list.
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I read it and it's not bad, but I agree the list is awful.

The thread makes a very compelling case that he shouldn't have ever been a legitimate candidate for the job and the hiring process is bogus. That's probably mostly-to-entirely true.

But that particular ship has sailed. If ggg had been lights-out brilliant as a coach, no one would care how he was hired.
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fig96 said:

DeangeloVickers said:



I love the photo they chose.
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tysker said:

I'm not sure I can handle another four years of people complaining about Gregg
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People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
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carl spacklers hat said:

tysker said:

I'm not sure I can handle another four years of people complaining about Gregg
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deadbq03 said:

I read it and it's not bad, but I agree the list is awful.

The thread makes a very compelling case that he shouldn't have ever been a legitimate candidate for the job and the hiring process is bogus. That's probably mostly-to-entirely true.

But that particular ship has sailed. If ggg had been lights-out brilliant as a coach, no one would care how he was hired.
TexAgs would have cared.

3g shouldn't have been hired and should go.
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carl spacklers hat said:

tysker said:

I'm not sure I can handle another four years of people complaining about Gregg
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my guess is Ggg gets a one or two year extension and USSF starts the process of finding in replacement for the 2026 WCQ (which wont really happen for the US and adds more complication in finding competitive matches)
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Whoever the coach is it is imperative that this group of players get as much competitive game time with the USMNT as possible.
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I think there are only 2 options:

Bring back Greg

OR

Go get Jesse
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AG@RICE said:

I think there are only 2 options:

Bring back Greg

OR

Go get Jesse
The only way we get Jesse is if he fails at Leeds.

I'm ok with a 1-2 year deal with Ggg and have someone to take over.

But the hiring on the women's side doesn't leave me with warm fuzzies either.
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KCup17 said:

Whoever the coach is it is imperative that this group of players get as much competitive game time with the USMNT as possible.
Problem there is we are stuck with CONCACAF competitions that make us play inferior opponents way too often. Hard to get challenging friendlies because of all the regional international competitions now.
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We may have luck scheduling African or South American countries for friendlies.
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Personally I'm okay with GB staying around a little longer, but I'd prefer a new face/voice as we start building towards the 2026 WC.

That said, most replacement options I see floated around are either unattainable (we're not luring a successful club coach to the job) or awful, so unless I see a promising name emerge, I'd be okay with staying pat.
 
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