The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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because there are more Ags than Sips who are his voters/donorsTU peeps aren't his "base" at the polls, so he better not think that Ags will forget next election if he doesn't support us on this one!!

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So we gonna vote for Matthew McConaughey?

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An additional $160 million a year just from those two? Seems far-fetched.

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Especially when the SEC already has the state of Texas in its pocket. Oklahoma brings squat to the table

I think the Sips and Sooners are going to try and work invitations out of both SEC and Big 10 and go where they can get the best deal.

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1st Generation Ag said:

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An additional $160 million a year just from those two? Seems far-fetched.

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Especially when the SEC already has the state of Texas in its pocket. Oklahoma brings squat to the table

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The SEC does not currently have every Texas TV set "in its pocket " tU will bring more NEW Texas TV sets to the SEC than A&M is currently giving them. Deride them for being tshirt fans, if you will, but the numbers are there. You are a moron fool if you think any different.

Right? Do people really think we "own" 100% of the state of Texas?

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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yes, this is a disaster for them. Really, really bad.

there is nowhere they can go to get close to the $37 MM per year they got from the Big 12.

(maybe maybe KU could get into the B1G on the strength of basketball and academics)

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I think the Sips and Sooners are going to try and work invitations out of both SEC and Big 10 and go where they can get the best deal.

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Big10 doesn't want OU. No AAU membership.

Win At Life said:

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dixichkn said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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An additional $160 million a year just from those two? Seems far-fetched.

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Especially when the SEC already has the state of Texas in its pocket. Oklahoma brings squat to the table

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The SEC does not currently have every Texas TV set "in its pocket " tU will bring more NEW Texas TV sets to the SEC than A&M is currently giving them. Deride them for being tshirt fans, if you will, but the numbers are there. You are a moron fool if you think any different.

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texas fans still pay for the SEC network even without views. The numbers are not there, they would have to add at least $90M in value just to pull their own weight. They would likely need to pull close to $120M. There's no way they bring that kind of viewership off of Oklahoma market and combined ad revenue alone. Sure they may be worth a lot, but that does not factor into the value they would need to bring in.

I think it will come down to money and future leverage on media contracts. Big 10 will take OU if the money is right. Nebraska was certainly no academic powerhouse. Sips AAU status will be enough.

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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Those schools will join with MWC or AAC.

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Win At Life said:

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dixichkn said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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An additional $160 million a year just from those two? Seems far-fetched.

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Especially when the SEC already has the state of Texas in its pocket. Oklahoma brings squat to the table

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The SEC does not currently have every Texas TV set "in its pocket " tU will bring more NEW Texas TV sets to the SEC than A&M is currently giving them. Deride them for being tshirt fans, if you will, but the numbers are there. You are a moron fool if you think any different.

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texas fans still pay for the SEC network even without views. The numbers are not there, they would have to add at least $90M in value just to pull their own weight. They would likely need to pull close to $120M. There's no way they bring that kind of viewership off of Oklahoma market and combined ad revenue alone. Sure they may be worth a lot, but that does not factor into the value they would need to bring in.

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ESPN wants out of the longhorn network as much as tu wants in the SEC. They will mutually agree to that. Every round of TV contract negotiations brings a new stratosphere in money. TV contract negotiations with a 16-team SEC will reach new numbers never before seen. It happens every time.

People are missing the fact that the SEC believes (or TV execs believe) that the full television contract can be renegotiated with the addition of 2 more teams (whether it's OU/TU or someone else). So I don't think you can use today's cable numbers and channel cost in Texas to say definitively there's no money on the table.

There's also playoff money up for grabs, if the SEC thinks it can get more of the 12 playoff slots (and thus financial payouts) for their own teams by adding OU/TU.

I can see the solo team states not really caring either way because it helps to block some of their in-state rivals, because the SEC isn't going to expand to 18 or 20.

The only ones that are going to vote no are ones with a grudge. I could see the SEC allowing Mizzou and A&M to vote No knowing that it really doesn't matter in the end. The two schools save face that need to save face, everyone's richer, no one really cares up top because money is money.

The only way it's blocked is if the leftovers start boohooing, but I also don't see the SEC not adding two more teams if they think they can renegotiate the TV contracts either way.

Under that logic, let's take OU and Virginia Tech / UNC / ND? If it's about using 2 more teams to trigger renegotiation, then trigger the event without the baggage and drama that are t.u.

In fact, the SEC should make an offer to OU that they can suit for consideration with any partner school NOT located in Austin.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Under that logic, let's take OU and Virginia Tech / UNC / ND? If it's about using 2 more teams to trigger renegotiation, then trigger the event without the baggage and drama that are t.u.

In fact, the SEC should make an offer to OU that they can suit for consideration with any partner school NOT located in Austin.

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A 16-team SEC is powerful enough to not fear the "tu baggage " that most Aggies are wringing their hands over. That's a non-issue. They will have 7 state schools as big as tu. They will not fear tu. And tu will not control this conference like they did the others. It's a brave new world.

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rsf0626 said:

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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yes, this is a disaster for them. Really, really bad.

there is nowhere they can go to get close to the $37 MM per year they got from the Big 12.

(maybe maybe KU could get into the B1G on the strength of basketball and academics)

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Every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv household in Texas pays $1.40 per month for the SEC network.
After adding Texas, every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv will pay $1.40 per month for the SEC Network.

Yes, we own Texas. Have you guys been living under a rock since 2014?

Win At Life said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Under that logic, let's take OU and Virginia Tech / UNC / ND? If it's about using 2 more teams to trigger renegotiation, then trigger the event without the baggage and drama that are t.u.

In fact, the SEC should make an offer to OU that they can suit for consideration with any partner school NOT located in Austin.

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A 16-team SEC is powerful enough to not fear the "tu baggage " that most Aggies are wringing their hands over. That's a non-issue. They will have 7 state schools as big as tu. They will not fear tu. And tu will not control this conference like they did the others. It's a brave new world.

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Think the media outlets in Texas think like you? They control the narrative.

The thought process is that the SEC will renegotiate that $1.40 into $2.40 or $3.40 because they can redo the TV contracts with new members. Don't forget that part.

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W said:

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rsf0626 said:

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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yes, this is a disaster for them. Really, really bad.

there is nowhere they can go to get close to the $37 MM per year they got from the Big 12.

(maybe maybe KU could get into the B1G on the strength of basketball and academics)

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Every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv household in Texas pays $1.40 per month for the SEC network.
After adding Texas, every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv will pay $1.40 per month for the SEC Network.

Yes, we own Texas. Have you guys been living under a rock since 2014?

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Guess what, if ratings increase so does revenue (along with that $1.40 per month). You clearly don't understand how these tv contracts work

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Bonfire1996 said:

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W said:

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rsf0626 said:

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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yes, this is a disaster for them. Really, really bad.

there is nowhere they can go to get close to the $37 MM per year they got from the Big 12.

(maybe maybe KU could get into the B1G on the strength of basketball and academics)

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Every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv household in Texas pays $1.40 per month for the SEC network.
After adding Texas, every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv will pay $1.40 per month for the SEC Network.

Yes, we own Texas. Have you guys been living under a rock since 2014?

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Guess what, if ratings increase so does revenue (along with that $1.40 per month). You clearly don't understand how these tv contracts work

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LOL. When? It's a negotiated contract smart guy

jopatura said:

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The thought process is that the SEC will renegotiate that $1.40 into $2.40 or $3.40 because they can redo the TV contracts with new members. Don't forget that part.

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it's a nationwide contract. Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee each have two SEC schools. Those States get $1.40 just like everyone else.

Y'all are not very smart

Bonfire1996 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Bonfire1996 said:

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W said:

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rsf0626 said:

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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yes, this is a disaster for them. Really, really bad.

there is nowhere they can go to get close to the $37 MM per year they got from the Big 12.

(maybe maybe KU could get into the B1G on the strength of basketball and academics)

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Every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv household in Texas pays $1.40 per month for the SEC network.
After adding Texas, every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv will pay $1.40 per month for the SEC Network.

Yes, we own Texas. Have you guys been living under a rock since 2014?

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Guess what, if ratings increase so does revenue (along with that $1.40 per month). You clearly don't understand how these tv contracts work

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LOL. When? It's a negotiated contract smart guy

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The addition of these schools opens the door for them to immediately renegotiate those contracts and I'm sure that has already begun behind closed doors so they can explore exactly how much revenue is being brought to the table

Well contracts get broken all the time

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jopatura said:

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The thought process is that the SEC will renegotiate that $1.40 into $2.40 or $3.40 because they can redo the TV contracts with new members. Don't forget that part.

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it's a nationwide contract. Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee each have two SEC schools. Those States get $1.40 just like everyone else.

Y'all are not very smart

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They will literally renegotiate it for all the states and all the schools. Sources have said it's a legal possibility expanding to 16. No one's going to pass up extra money to sit around and sing Kumbaya with the current teams. It's just not going to happen.

Now the SEC could add 2 different teams and accomplish the same result, but who would those be that consistently make the college playoffs (which is another money making opportunity). You're gonna piss someone off and A&M and Mizzou are the newbies. The solo state schools will just be pleased it wasn't their state partners trying this first.

jopatura said:

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Bonfire1996 said:

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jopatura said:

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The thought process is that the SEC will renegotiate that $1.40 into $2.40 or $3.40 because they can redo the TV contracts with new members. Don't forget that part.

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it's a nationwide contract. Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee each have two SEC schools. Those States get $1.40 just like everyone else.

Y'all are not very smart

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They will literally renegotiate it for all the states and all the schools. Sources have said it's a legal possibility expanding to 16. No one's going to pass up extra money to sit around and sing Kumbaya with the current teams. It's just not going to happen.

Now the SEC could add 2 different teams and accomplish the same result, but who would those be that consistently make the college playoffs (which is another money making opportunity). You're gonna piss someone off and A&M and Mizzou are the newbies. The solo state schools will just be pleased it wasn't their state partners trying this first.

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OU wouldn't make the playoff if in the sec. They've made it a few times through an easy schedule. And then promptly prove that they can't hang with the SEC and get knocked out by an SEC team.

jopatura said:

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Bonfire1996 said:

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jopatura said:

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The thought process is that the SEC will renegotiate that $1.40 into $2.40 or $3.40 because they can redo the TV contracts with new members. Don't forget that part.

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it's a nationwide contract. Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee each have two SEC schools. Those States get $1.40 just like everyone else.

Y'all are not very smart

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They will literally renegotiate it for all the states and all the schools. Sources have said it's a legal possibility expanding to 16. No one's going to pass up extra money to sit around and sing Kumbaya with the current teams. It's just not going to happen.

Now the SEC could add 2 different teams and accomplish the same result, but who would those be that consistently make the college playoffs (which is another money making opportunity). You're gonna piss someone off and A&M and Mizzou are the newbies. The solo state schools will just be pleased it wasn't their state partners trying this first.

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League play is net-zero. more games like 9 or 10 conference games means 7 or 14 more losses that have to spread around the league. We saw this last year with the SEC several teams were .500 or lower that would likely be 8-4 or 9-3 and much more respected in the polls. Adding texas and OU just means more mouths to feed for wins if teams are going to be playoff bound. It makes no sense.

Bonfire1996 said:

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jopatura said:

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The thought process is that the SEC will renegotiate that $1.40 into $2.40 or $3.40 because they can redo the TV contracts with new members. Don't forget that part.

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it's a nationwide contract. Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee each have two SEC schools. Those States get $1.40 just like everyone else.

Y'all are not very smart

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawgsports.com/platform/amp/2021/7/21/22587585/texas-oklahoma-sec-longhorn-network-contract

""Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC would reset the league's television contracts. That would result in "an increase in revenue of at least 10 million a year for each of the league's member institutions," from revamped television contracts alone"

This will mean more money because the LHN will be rebranded as SEC 2. With 16 teams, there should be enough content for two networks. The SEC 2 will then get nationwide distribution, effectively doubling the third tier revenue.

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W said:

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rsf0626 said:

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The big 12 is doomed either way. Kinda feel for these smaller schools like kstate, iowa state, ok state, etc

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yes, this is a disaster for them. Really, really bad.

there is nowhere they can go to get close to the $37 MM per year they got from the Big 12.

(maybe maybe KU could get into the B1G on the strength of basketball and academics)

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Every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv household in Texas pays $1.40 per month for the SEC network.
After adding Texas, every cable/dish/youtubetv/Hulu/fubo tv will pay $1.40 per month for the SEC Network.

Yes, we own Texas. Have you guys been living under a rock since 2014?

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I want to believe you, Bonfire. But if it's so clear-cut, how did we get here?

Win At Life said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Under that logic, let's take OU and Virginia Tech / UNC / ND? If it's about using 2 more teams to trigger renegotiation, then trigger the event without the baggage and drama that are t.u.

In fact, the SEC should make an offer to OU that they can suit for consideration with any partner school NOT located in Austin.

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A 16-team SEC is powerful enough to not fear the "tu baggage " that most Aggies are wringing their hands over. That's a non-issue. They will have 7 state schools as big as tu. They will not fear tu. And tu will not control this conference like they did the others. It's a brave new world.

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Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on me. Fool me thrice; ?apparently I'm a frickin moron?

No. They infect everything with drama and fraud. There is no way to bed this hooker without contracting at least some of her myriad diseases.

Both t.u. and OU are looking at this new era of professional college sports and know that they NEED money to pay for top talent to remain relevant. The 14 teams on top of the money spigot would be unwise to elevate two more schools to peer status just to inflate the cost of competition.

SEC needs to expand to NC State, & VT, then call it a day. They would have some of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in the country, with the addition of Charlotte, & DC area.

OU & tu make no sense, and this is CLEARLY a plan to try to posture to the big12 for more money. The timing is laughable, and shows their desperation. Congrats guys! We are obviously in their heads. $$$$

As much as I dont want this to happen, it would be funny to see baylor be in the mountain west.

Although I am not the biggest fan of the SEC, adding the t-sips and the land thieves to make a 16-team superconference would not be good for the SEC due to the logistical nightmares that it would present.

Case in point: the WAC back in the mid-1990s tried this before only to eventually have eight of them split off and form what is now the MWC...

Keep in mind, there are likely still some of the old-guard SEC that are still not thrilled about us being in their beloved conference...

How about we take OU and OSU.

tu made their bed.

THE SEC is a God and Country conference where we stand for our school song and the national anthem. tu hates everything that makes the SEC truly great. Why would we delude the culture that makes the SEC the envy of college sports??