suppressors for the most part i would assume.AgLA06 said:
Are all these Form 1s SBRs?
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This many guys are making their own suppressors?
I have one of each, from August, still being held up. Something is definitely wrong though.
I wish some if you guys would do a build post explaining how to build your own. Especially if it is cheaper.
Mine isn't that exciting but will be happy to do it and report back. It's a QB kit.
Which kit?ttha_aggie_09 said:
Mine isn't that exciting but will be happy to do it and report back. It's a QB kit.
30 cal
ttha_aggie_09 said:
Mine isn't that exciting but will be happy to do it and report back. It's a QB kit.
A novice like me would love to know more.
Mine is an SBR
Dittocledus6150 said:
Mine is an SBR
AgLA06 said:
This many guys are making their own suppressors?
Much faster than the form 4s right now and its not a complicated process with the kits being sold online.
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth!
FatZilla said:AgLA06 said:
This many guys are making their own suppressors?
Much faster than the form 4s right now and its not a complicated process with the kits being sold online.
Anyone in Houston done this and willing to walk me through this?
Seems like the QB are twice as heavy as commercial suppressors.
I too would like to have some help in understanding the process as I have been eyeing a suppressor for my Ruger PC9 for awhile but didn't want to throw money away at a process that could change and I be out of the money initially invested
Will be happy to help, once I figure out my situation.
Spoke with the ATF this morning and both applications are still under review despite submitting in August. I had to submit a question to "ask the experts".
Spoke with the ATF this morning and both applications are still under review despite submitting in August. I had to submit a question to "ask the experts".
Just do it. You can do a Silencer Shop Single Shot Trust through SS Kiosk and it is cheap and easy, add other trustees down the road.bdgol07 said:
I too would like to have some help in understanding the process as I have been eyeing a suppressor for my Ruger PC9 for awhile but didn't want to throw money away at a process that could change and I be out of the money initially invested
I would get a YHM R9 for a 9mm rifle. It is a kind of does it all silencer that can shoot anything that fits down the bore. Yankee Hill said on their Instagram that Silencer Shop had a shipment coming this week, although they don't show any in stock. I purchased a first run, first shipment can from them a while back, just had to call, rather than depend on the website.
Question for you:
If you do the single shot trust, despite having a NFA trust setup already with trustees, can you just add the NFA item after receiving the stamp to your existing NFA trust?
If you do the single shot trust, despite having a NFA trust setup already with trustees, can you just add the NFA item after receiving the stamp to your existing NFA trust?
Don't think so. Each single shot is a stand alone trust.
No. The advantage is if you have multiple people on the trust, you won't have to wrangle them all together. I did the Single Shot for one purchase because one trustee cannot do electronic fingerprints, and the other two were out of town. If you do not fall into any of these categories, then just use your existing trust.
It's a budget thing for me.
I'd like a can compatible for my 300 win mag and .300blk as those 2 are currently my home defense and long range / hunting rifles. They're also the only 2 I have threaded.
Budget would need to be under $500 before tax stamp. The analytical part of me says that means a heavy can or lesser performance on sound reduction that I'll regret spending the money on.
Closest I can find with my limited knowledge is Gemtech Tracker or YHM Resonator. Both are over budget.
I'd like a can compatible for my 300 win mag and .300blk as those 2 are currently my home defense and long range / hunting rifles. They're also the only 2 I have threaded.
Budget would need to be under $500 before tax stamp. The analytical part of me says that means a heavy can or lesser performance on sound reduction that I'll regret spending the money on.
Closest I can find with my limited knowledge is Gemtech Tracker or YHM Resonator. Both are over budget.
Gotcha. This may be the cause of my holdup but my understanding is that you can remove all trustees during application, avoiding having to get everyone fingerprinted & photographed, and then add them back on at a later date. Maybe I am wrong though?
I'm wondering if I can form one a stainless steel tube and then have someone build it for me. I used Echo Machine in colorado to rebuild my old suppressor with Keymo and did an amazing job. If I could get him to do a tube I form 1'd that would be amazing.
That would seem to rule out a form 1.
Form 4 delivered on Friday and the check cleared my bank today. They're messing with my emotions by transacting so quickly.
ttha_aggie_09 said:
Gotcha. This may be the cause of my holdup but my understanding is that you can remove all trustees during application, avoiding having to get everyone fingerprinted & photographed, and then add them back on at a later date. Maybe I am wrong though?
This can be tricky. We did that on another purchase. ATF was unhappy, so we had to fork out another $300 in to have the addendum rewritten. In that case, it would have been cheaper, and possible quicker to just do a single shot.
The purchases with our existing trust and addendums, and the single shot trust took about exactly the same time to approve, they were purchased about three weeks apart.
No. In that scenario, the NFA item would be registered to the single shot trust. In order to transfer ownership, you'd have to do a Form 4, pay an extra $200, and transfer it to the existing NFA trust.ttha_aggie_09 said:
Question for you:
If you do the single shot trust, despite having a NFA trust setup already with trustees, can you just add the NFA item after receiving the stamp to your existing NFA trust?
At least that's how I understand the rules.
Depending on how your trust is written, you can legally add and remove trustees at will. Each addition or removal would technically be an "amendment" to the trust. Each time you apply for a new NFA item, technically you should submit to the ATF the full trust, including all amendments.ttha_aggie_09 said:
Gotcha. This may be the cause of my holdup but my understanding is that you can remove all trustees during application, avoiding having to get everyone fingerprinted & photographed, and then add them back on at a later date. Maybe I am wrong though?
You could just pretend that there aren't any other trustees, other than those directly listed in the trust document, when you apply for the stamp. Then you only submit prints for the trustees listed in the trust. Just remember that all of this paperwork is date stamped. As usually the case with the law, IF you get caught, you'd possibly be charged, indicted, and convicted of skirting the rules.
I'm just a dumb engineer and not an attorney... This is why I paid an attorney to draft my NFA trust and asked lots of questions. And if I ever have additional questions, I can give him a call for clarification.
Mine was done by the attorney recommended on this board, out of San Antonio (I think). I have the capability to make changes at will, which is what I did on the last application. I filed the trust, including the amendment, with all documents.
Sounds like you did it right. Just government red tape slowing the process. That's a damn shame!
Hope you get approved soon!
Hope you get approved soon!
KaneIsAble said:
Form 4 delivered on Friday and the check cleared my bank today. They're messing with my emotions by transacting so quickly.
The only thing the gov't is extremely efficient at is taking money you offer them (or didn't offer them *cough* taxes *cough*).
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth!
No, it wouldn't. You would, however, have to be at the machine shop in person with your stamp in hand while any work was done on manufacturing parts for your suppressor.AgLA06 said:
That would seem to rule out a form 1.
schmellba99 said:No, it wouldn't. You would, however, have to be at the machine shop in person with your stamp in hand while any work was done on manufacturing parts for your suppressor.AgLA06 said:
That would seem to rule out a form 1.
So hiring someone else to fabricate parts is the same as manufacturing it yourself?
Again - you have to be on the premises with your stamp in hand prior to any part being fabricated.AgLA06 said:schmellba99 said:No, it wouldn't. You would, however, have to be at the machine shop in person with your stamp in hand while any work was done on manufacturing parts for your suppressor.AgLA06 said:
That would seem to rule out a form 1.
So hiring someone else to fabricate parts is the same as manufacturing it yourself?
But yes, with a Form 1 you can have parts made no problem by anybody. No different than buying a Quiet Bore kit - they did the machine work for you already, even if you are finishing it up by drilling a hole in a baffle and end cap.
I really want to order a Form 1 (aka solvent trap) kit. I don't want to pay as much as I'd pay for a commercial suppressor AND have to show my stamp to get it done. The goal was to do it on the cheap and get something quicker on a eForm 1 instead of a Form 4.
ATF is cracking down on solvent trap manufacturers right now. Especially those with the jigs...
Seems like I'm late to the game...
And I don't have the patience to dedicate time learning and developing a design to even have a conversation with the guys on the Form 1 suppressor board...
ATF is cracking down on solvent trap manufacturers right now. Especially those with the jigs...
Seems like I'm late to the game...
And I don't have the patience to dedicate time learning and developing a design to even have a conversation with the guys on the Form 1 suppressor board...
If the QB kits have the whole drilled they are considered suppressor parts. You cannot manufacture suppressor parts with out the proper license or Form 1 stamp. QB will no longer ship the "kit" until you have the stamp (last I checked).schmellba99 said:Again - you have to be on the premises with your stamp in hand prior to any part being fabricated.AgLA06 said:schmellba99 said:No, it wouldn't. You would, however, have to be at the machine shop in person with your stamp in hand while any work was done on manufacturing parts for your suppressor.AgLA06 said:
That would seem to rule out a form 1.
So hiring someone else to fabricate parts is the same as manufacturing it yourself?
But yes, with a Form 1 you can have parts made no problem by anybody. No different than buying a Quiet Bore kit - they did the machine work for you already, even if you are finishing it up by drilling a hole in a baffle and end cap.
So if you are on premises with stamp and they are helping, yes, but they cannot make the baffles with out you there. You can also not be in possession of completed baffles. There are also mixed interpretations on "spare parts." You are not allowed R&D under a Form 1 either.
Yes but the quiet bore kits come without drilled baffles, unlike some of the other "solvent kits", and are perfectly legal unless you have proceeded to manufacture/drill without a stamp, no? That was my understanding and I am not trying to do anything improperly.
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