Its unfortunate Z let it escalate....but I also think there is some blame on Trump and Vance with how they've played it. Z has everything to lose so he should have thought about that.strbrst777 said:
Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.
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if that's his thinking, then here's a spoiler. Its a horrible mistake. Europe has their own problems. They cannot bankroll a stalemate of a war in Ukraine. Not without the US they can't.rootube said:AgGrad99 said:Nothing?Quote:
I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing.
Right now he has nothing. With us going to the negotiating table on his behalf...he has at least some sort of leverage. But we're not going to do that for free any longer...and that's what he hates. He doesnt like that he'd be paying us, instead of us paying him (like we've done).
Without us he has zero leverage. WIth us he gains continued support, rebuilding efforts and leverage at the table with Russia. Everyone recognizes that. His own government knows it, which is why they are freaking out right now.
We explicitly said no more aid and no security guarantees. Right now Zelenskyy has a stalemate in the east of his country he probably made a bet that a better partner who is willing to provide guarantees is Europe. Time will tell if he is making the right decision or a horrible mistake.
Damn, when you got one of the biggest GOP hawks/Uke huggers in Lindsay Graham calling for Zelensky to resign you know you ****ed up bad.
Trump and Vance are known quantities. They also hold the purse strings.BluHorseShu said:Its unfortunate Z let it escalate....but I also think there is some blame on Trump and Vance with how they've played it. Z has everything to lose so he should have thought about that.strbrst777 said:
Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.
Zelensky has no cards to play.
It was stupid.
They're too proud to admit that. They're back to their warm blanket of blaming Trump for everything and about being silent for 4 years.aginlakeway said:GeorgiAg said:
Elect a clown, expect a circus.
The clown who did the most damage just left office.
Zelensky is going to get outsted, which was one of Putin's stated goals of the invasion.
Shocked that the anti-Trumpers are taking a quick soundbite and drawing their own biased conclusions without looking at the entire transcript or content. They would NEVER do a thing like that!Deputy Travis Junior said:
This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thingI watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…
If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…
— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025
ShockerBluHorseShu said:Its unfortunate Z let it escalate....but I also think there is some blame on Trump and Vance with how they've played it. Z has everything to lose so he should have thought about that.strbrst777 said:
Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.
Artimus Gordon said:
1. Cut off all funding to Ukraine.
2. Give the Russians access to starlink and cut service to Zelensky's army.
3. Give Putin strategic information as to Ukrainian troop locations and movements. Let Putin overrun the Ukrainians and rid the world of Zelensky. Ukraine won't ever be a member of nato.
4. In repayment for this get Putin to sign over the mineral rights to Ukraine. Work the deal to have American companies profit from the development.
5. As part of the deal have Putin and Syria demolish what's left of Gaza and send every hamashole to
Meet their virgins.
It's a win/win. Putin is a lot easier to deal with than Zelensky plus we need Russia to give us leverage when dealing with the real evil empire, CHINA.
Zalensky is a major idiot, who just ripped his britches. And dumber than a Democrat.
No one here is pro Russia
Zelensky has forgotten that he's deal with the only POTUS to step across the 38th parallel and walk into the enemy's territory to make negotiations and keep an enemy in line and was successful.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because hard men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
It doesn't matter what those clowns think.Gigem314 said:Shocked that the anti-Trumpers are taking a quick soundbite and drawing their own biased conclusions without looking at the entire transcript or content. They would NEVER do a thing like that!Deputy Travis Junior said:
This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thingI watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…
WTF was Zelensky doing? He looked less like a Ukrainian leader and more like the next Democrat party candidate.
🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025
The mic caught it!
He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY
Ironically, it was certain people's voting choice in 2020 who came into office and set that very precedent...which Trump is now having to clean up the mess from.Rockdoc said:GeorgiAg said:
Elect a clown, expect a circus.
I don't care who is president, nobody comes into our house, the Oval Office, and disrespect us. No American president should bend over and kiss another leaders ass. Ukraine has received a lot of money from us and wants more. Act like it.
"Elect a clown, expect a circus" indeed.
deddog said:if that's his thinking, then here's a spoiler. Its a horrible mistake. Europe has their own problems. They cannot bankroll a stalemate of a war in Ukraine. Not without the US they can't.rootube said:AgGrad99 said:Nothing?Quote:
I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing.
Right now he has nothing. With us going to the negotiating table on his behalf...he has at least some sort of leverage. But we're not going to do that for free any longer...and that's what he hates. He doesnt like that he'd be paying us, instead of us paying him (like we've done).
Without us he has zero leverage. WIth us he gains continued support, rebuilding efforts and leverage at the table with Russia. Everyone recognizes that. His own government knows it, which is why they are freaking out right now.
We explicitly said no more aid and no security guarantees. Right now Zelenskyy has a stalemate in the east of his country he probably made a bet that a better partner who is willing to provide guarantees is Europe. Time will tell if he is making the right decision or a horrible mistake.
You may be right. I suppose we are going to find out.
They get spoon fed by the media who will gladly reinforce their bad takes and paint Trump as the bad guy. Remember "good people on both sides"?Gigem314 said:Shocked that the anti-Trumpers are taking a quick soundbite and drawing their own biased conclusions without looking at the entire transcript or content. They would NEVER do a thing like that!Deputy Travis Junior said:
This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thingI watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.
— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025
When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…
"But but but why are Trump and Vance being so mean!"45-70Ag said:🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025
The mic caught it!
He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY
If this is true, it makes sense.45-70Ag said:If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…
— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025
These clowns want to score points for the Democrat party, and never really gave a **** about Ukraine.
Zelensky got played.
Yet again.
45-70Ag said:Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order. 🇱🇺🇺🇦
— Luc Frieden (@LucFrieden) February 28, 2025
lol
And they've got zero capacity to help.
Has Monaco weighed in yet?
LOL. The last people Z should be listening to are the sad remnants of the failed American Left. That shows a lot about his decison making.45-70Ag said:If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…
— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025
But remember you guys, the clown show only started the moment Trump took office...not when those clowns were running things for 4 years.deddog said:If this is true, it makes sense.45-70Ag said:If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…
— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025
These clowns want to score points for the Democrat party, and never really gave a **** about Ukraine.
Zelensky got played.
Yet again.
Zelensky is a punk. He obviously does not care about his people dying.45-70Ag said:🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025
The mic caught it!
He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY
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Jay@AgsReward.com said:
It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.
That WAS the situation. Now Trump is in office and he's offering Z a way out of this, but he keeps grifting, looking for a better deal instead of looking for peace. Z is a sellout to his own people and he's trying to use the media to negotiate a better settlement for himself, not his people.
As for Z not holding elections during wartime, it's true that's what his constitution says. But I'm also pretty sure his constitution doesn't give him the authority to jail his political opponents. He selectively follows the constitution when it suits him personally.
Trump should have never claimed pre-election that he would be able to strike a peace deal. Zelensky and the Ukrainian people have said from day one that they would never voluntarily give up any Ukrainian land. I'm pretty sure it would take years of them badly getting their teeth kicked in before they would agree to it. They'd likely fight an insurgent war if it comes down to it. This war isn't ending any time soon.
Zelensky not being able to keep his mouth shut will cost his country dearly. Trump might get a win by withdrawing aid but he won't get his peace deal. Ultimately, in the long game, we lose in the form of a stronger Russia.
Zelensky not being able to keep his mouth shut will cost his country dearly. Trump might get a win by withdrawing aid but he won't get his peace deal. Ultimately, in the long game, we lose in the form of a stronger Russia.
dermdoc said:Zelensky is a punk. He obviously does not care about his people dying.45-70Ag said:🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!
— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025
The mic caught it!
He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY
Lord Bebo is a Russian propaganda bot account. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that.
45-70Ag said:Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order. 🇱🇺🇺🇦
— Luc Frieden (@LucFrieden) February 28, 2025
lol
And they've got zero capacity to help.
Great! Y'all send troops and money to Ukraine, if you haven't already! United States have sent more than its fair share.
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Commander Gorn said:
I don't like Ukraine or Russia, Zelensky or Putin. Certainly neither is a hero to any American
Have you met Teslag?
Dude is super jealous of Z's piano if you know what I mean.
Wabs said:
Interesting how some Americans (even on this thread) get their panties in a wad when the POTUS and VP are standing up for the UNITED STATES and putting OUR interests FIRST.
I expect nothing less from democrats. They simply do not love America. Everyone else first.
Only thing better would be if they threw his grifting ass in Gitmo.
And this is a-ok behavior according to his biggest fanboy here. He's a cross dressing comedian con man that actively campaigned on American soil for the party that would continue to support his money grab. He can get stuffed. Anyone that has the likes of Bill Kristol, Adam Kinzinger, Keith Olbermann, and Alexander Vindman up their ass, is probably not a good dude. It's absolutely hilarious to continue watching the fan club here just dig in for this guy.
Aren't you clever! Note I said "promise" not "agreement" in my original reply crediting you with correctly stating there is no agreement. We made the promise. Even James Baker said so. Gorby may have said there's no such agreement, though I note you don't cite to any sources, and he would have been right. The promise didn't end up in any legal agreement. Like I originally stated.Teslag said:Flavius Agximus said:Your gaslighting is not accepted. Sorry pal.Teslag said:Flavius Agximus said:You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
So now Gorbachev is in on the conspiracy
aggiehawg said:Churchill? No not that he wouldn't be tempted but just not part of the British decorum.Biz Ag said:
Can you imagine Churchill or De Gaulle speaking to FDR like that?
De Gaulle OTOH, hell yes. De Gaulle was always a complete French jerk.
Zero chance De Gaulle would've pulled something like that in front of the press.
Wabs said:
Interesting how some Americans (even on this thread) get their panties in a wad when the POTUS and VP are standing up for the UNITED STATES and putting OUR interests FIRST.
Well said! We've done enough! Time for all the European countries to step up and we take a step back. That's for everyone tweeting "we stand with Ukraine!"
cyka blyat. He called him a "****ing *****". I know because I've played Escape from Tarkov and DOTA2. Been called one many times.
I'd midget toss his dancing clown ass out of the White House too.
Good luck with your gay war, you stupid POS.
I'd midget toss his dancing clown ass out of the White House too.
Good luck with your gay war, you stupid POS.
Flavius Agximus said:Aren't you clever! Note I said "promise" not "agreement" in my original reply crediting you with correctly stating there is no agreement. We made the promise. Even James Baker said so. Gorby may have said there's no such agreement, though I note you don't cite to any sources, and he would have been right. The promise didn't end up in any legal agreement. Like I originally stated.Teslag said:Flavius Agximus said:Your gaslighting is not accepted. Sorry pal.Teslag said:Flavius Agximus said:You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
So now Gorbachev is in on the conspiracy
Gorbachev said we didn't even promise
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/