Sims said:

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Having been through a few very tense mediations and negotations....for those saying how this is a bad look, imbecilic, immature, show...whatever you want to call it. This is how big things happen.

Good mediators make sure everyone leaves the room upset and uncomfortable - that is how you know the middle ground was located.

What Zelensky is attempting to do is prove the mediator wrong - that rarely happens and only serves to diminish his own position.

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Hank the Grifter said:

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infinity ag said:

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The look was bad. They should have talked this through in private. Fighting in public is not a good look.

Fight all you want inside a room.

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You understand that this was Zelensky's doing don't you? He attempted to take Trump to task in front of the media. It blew up in his face. Massively.

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FTAG 2000 said:

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infinity ag said:

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The look was bad. They should have talked this through in private. Fighting in public is not a good look.

Fight all you want inside a room.

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They had talked and agreed prior to the photo op. The little hoodlum went off script as soon we the cameras were on.

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Teslag said:

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dBoy99 said:

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Teslag said:

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annie88 said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.

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This isn't a game of chicken on the play ground. A real hero/leader would make difficult decisions and work aggressively to come to a settlement instead of prolonging the war.

But Zelensky knows, once the war ends so does his celebrity.

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Real heroes fight until they are dead. There's zero chance I'd ever surrender to anyone that invaded my homeland.

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Burdizzo said:

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Teslag said:

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dBoy99 said:

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Teslag said:

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annie88 said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.

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This isn't a game of chicken on the play ground. A real hero/leader would make difficult decisions and work aggressively to come to a settlement instead of prolonging the war.

But Zelensky knows, once the war ends so does his celebrity.

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Real heroes fight until they are dead. There's zero chance I'd ever surrender to anyone that invaded my homeland.

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I think the point of all the theatrics is that western Europe finally gets out of their post-Cold War hangover and comes around to this way of thinking. That has kind of been Trumps underlying motivation in all of this. The free ride where the US carries NATO cannot be sustained

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Teslag said:

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dBoy99 said:

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Teslag said:

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annie88 said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.

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This isn't a game of chicken on the play ground. A real hero/leader would make difficult decisions and work aggressively to come to a settlement instead of prolonging the war.

But Zelensky knows, once the war ends so does his celebrity.

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Real heroes fight until they are dead. There's zero chance I'd ever surrender to anyone that invaded my homeland.

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infinity ag said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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infinity ag said:

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The look was bad. They should have talked this through in private. Fighting in public is not a good look.

Fight all you want inside a room.

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You understand that this was Zelensky's doing don't you? He attempted to take Trump to task in front of the media. It blew up in his face. Massively.

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For that to have happened, they should have had an agreement privately. Don't think that happened.

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captkirk said:

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Teslag said:

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dBoy99 said:

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Teslag said:

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annie88 said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.

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This isn't a game of chicken on the play ground. A real hero/leader would make difficult decisions and work aggressively to come to a settlement instead of prolonging the war.

But Zelensky knows, once the war ends so does his celebrity.

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Real heroes fight until they are dead. There's zero chance I'd ever surrender to anyone that invaded my homeland.

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The end result will be the same, die or not.

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Wes97 said:

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Teslag said:

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Zelenskyy did not cancel election. Their constitution prevents it in wartime.

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LOL. Yeah the dictator is just defending that bastion of liberty known as the Ukrainian constitution.

So are you a full on traitor or just an old style "useful idiot"?

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Horn_in_Aggieland said:

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.@VP: "Do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?"@POTUS: "You don't have the cards right now. With us, you start having cards ... You're… pic.twitter.com/iTYyAmfuCJ

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) February 28, 2025

Wow!

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Sims said:

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Having been through a few very tense mediations and negotations....for those saying how this is a bad look, imbecilic, immature, show...whatever you want to call it. This is how big things happen.

Good mediators make sure everyone leaves the room upset and uncomfortable - that is how you know the middle ground was located.

What Zelensky is attempting to do is prove the mediator wrong - that rarely happens and only serves to diminish his own position.

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