Your gaslighting is not accepted. Sorry pal.Teslag said:Flavius Agximus said:You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
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Zelensky ran into the FAFO tag team pic.twitter.com/Sua33083iR
— Cova Crypto (@covafunnymemes) February 28, 2025
Will be a lot harder without billions of ours to launder.Casual Cynic said:
Looks like the war will continue.
Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
Lol.
How about the first question?.
The CIA did exactly the same thing in Ukraine as Russia was doing.
We won. Then their people elected another guy after that in zelensky.
Glad you're on record admitting that the cia overthrew an elected government in ukraine and install its own regime.
You just acknowledged that zelensky is a puppet.
There's nothing more to argue with you about.
Zelensky won the election AFTER that one beating the guy the CIA "installed"
It's already an endless war with no end in sight and no end to the killing. We're just supposed to write a check when asked and say nothing...I think that's the wrong approach and we need to consider America's interests first. This is becoming an Eastern European version of Afghanistan where there's no plan and just endless fighting. The whole "We gotta fight em over there so we don't have to fight em here" philosophy has soured a lot of Americans on global conflict.Quote:
There will be endless war without our aid. These people hate each other and it won't stop simply because we pull aid. More will die.
Flavius Agximus said:Your gaslighting is not accepted. Sorry pal.Teslag said:Flavius Agximus said:You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
So now Gorbachev is in on the conspiracy
Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:Teslag said:AgGrad99 said:Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.
The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.
No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.
This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.
This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.
Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?
And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?
We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
Lol.
How about the first question?.
The CIA did exactly the same thing in Ukraine as Russia was doing.
We won. Then their people elected another guy after that in zelensky.
Glad you're on record admitting that the cia overthrew an elected government in ukraine and install its own regime.
You just acknowledged that zelensky is a puppet.
There's nothing more to argue with you about.
Zelensky won the election AFTER that one beating the guy the CIA "installed"
There's a phone call of the state department deciding who's gonna be in the new government.
The cia holding free and fair elections lololol
That's some serious mental gymnastics
captkirk said:Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
And Putin is?
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
I had to use a lot of gymnastics to scroll through all of the embedded quotes. You can use the reply function.
ProgN said:Burdizzo said:
A remake of Goodfellas
Donald Trump as Jimmy Conway
JD Vance as Tommy DeVito
Vlad Zelenskyy as Billy Batts
Or....
Z is Vincent Vega
Vance is Jules Winfield
Trump is Winston Wolf
(A please would be nice)
BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 28, 2025
Zelensky issues statement:
“Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you POTUS, Congress, and the American people.
Ukraine needs just and lasting peace and we are working exactly for that” pic.twitter.com/cpHlU02agx
Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
His actions today say otherwise. Enjoy the plane ride back home to your ****hole country.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a staunch Ukraine supporter, just had lunch in the Oval Office. Speaking from the WH Graham tells FOX he is "devastated" -- "My question is whether Zelenskyy is redeemable in the eyes of the American people, from what everyone saw nobody including me would…
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) February 28, 2025
Ultimately Trump is right that Z holds no cards. He should have just listened to Trump and made the best of it.
Zelensky errors today:
— Jordan Schachtel (@JordanSchachtel) February 28, 2025
1) Shows up in costume, not a suit
2) Has 0 awareness about his geopolitical standing
3) Blackmails POTUS w "Russia will be at your doorstep" talk
4) Ambassador emotes in front of press, humiliating delegation
5) No respect, demands more money
What a mess.
Z better have some money or one of his vacation houses set aside to "donate" to Trump's Presidential Center if he wants to mea culpa.
He's already said that. The Ukrainian Constitution does not allow for elections in wartime. He's already said there will be an election as soon as the war is over and he's willing to not run again.
Check the time on the X post. He did a quick 180 after being kicked out of the WH.Jbob04 said:
His actions today say otherwise. Enjoy the plane ride back home to your ****hole country.
Teslag said:Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
Reportedly Z told Vance "F you beach" under his breath in his own Ukrainian.
Neither Trump or Zelensky are dictators.
Zelenskyy really screwed the pooch. This is all on him. Any discussion of Trump/Vance being the blame for this horrible outcome is nonsense.
Now we will have to wait and see if apologies are offered and accepted so a deal can be made.
It really is bazaar to me to see the Ukrainian war that meets all of the metrics of a war that the left have railed against since Vietnam. No accountability, lots of young people dying, costly, corrupt government and yet ……the left is all about making sure that this war is shown as a noble cause and every bad metric is acceptable.
Just weird to see…….
Zelenskyy really screwed the pooch. This is all on him. Any discussion of Trump/Vance being the blame for this horrible outcome is nonsense.
Now we will have to wait and see if apologies are offered and accepted so a deal can be made.
It really is bazaar to me to see the Ukrainian war that meets all of the metrics of a war that the left have railed against since Vietnam. No accountability, lots of young people dying, costly, corrupt government and yet ……the left is all about making sure that this war is shown as a noble cause and every bad metric is acceptable.
Just weird to see…….
Thanks for the info.AgGrad99 said:Because it will take concessions by both sides.Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Ukraine is not in a position to negotiate. They need us to assist with that. If they give us minerals, in exchange for leverage, they can negotiate peace.
Without us, they will lose. Trump and JD know this. Russia knows this. Everyone knows this.
But Z is being very very short sighted.
Do you know what the proposed concessions would be from the Russian side? My Google skills are failing me other than Putin saying no to any territorial concessions (from a two week old article so may be outdated).
FireAg said:
Even Zelensky's buddy Lindsey Graham is on TV saying Z absolutely screwed the pooch…
Because he did.
Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
So he should violate his constitution?
infinity ag said:
Reportedly Z told Vance "F you beach" under his breath in his own Ukrainian.
That would be funny and very bad at the same time.
They just had him on Fox and he seems ok now. He was gushing over how great Trump and Vance were in that meeting.oh no said:Sen. Lindsey Graham, a staunch Ukraine supporter, just had lunch in the Oval Office. Speaking from the WH Graham tells FOX he is "devastated" -- "My question is whether Zelenskyy is redeemable in the eyes of the American people, from what everyone saw nobody including me would…
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) February 28, 2025
For that blue & yella underoo wearing warhawk to be almost joyous after that lunch makes me think there is more to all of the theater today.
Who gives a **** what Lindsey thinks or says. He's such a flip-flopping twerp who takes whatever side and position seems to be popular at the moment. I hate the term, but he is what would fall under the category of RINOoh no said:Sen. Lindsey Graham, a staunch Ukraine supporter, just had lunch in the Oval Office. Speaking from the WH Graham tells FOX he is "devastated" -- "My question is whether Zelenskyy is redeemable in the eyes of the American people, from what everyone saw nobody including me would…
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) February 28, 2025
infinity ag said:
Ultimately Trump is right that Z holds no cards. He should have just listened to Trump and made the best of it.
Agreed. Frustrating display by all three of them for anyone who actually wants to see peace happen, but especially Zelenskyy. He has to know by now that you have to schmooze Trump in order to have him on your side. Even if he was right about Russia that's not nearly as important to Ukraine at this point as getting the deal done. Hopefully they get it figured out.
ProgN said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 28, 2025
Zelensky issues statement:
“Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you POTUS, Congress, and the American people.
Ukraine needs just and lasting peace and we are working exactly for that” pic.twitter.com/cpHlU02agx
Real or parody? With this little actor clown, it's hard to tell.
J. Walter Weatherman said:infinity ag said:
Ultimately Trump is right that Z holds no cards. He should have just listened to Trump and made the best of it.
Agreed. Frustrating display by all three of them for anyone who actually wants to see peace happen, but especially Zelenskyy. He has to know by now that you have to schmooze Trump in order to have him on your side. Even if he was right about Russia that's not nearly as important to Ukraine at this point as getting the deal done. Hopefully they get it figured out.
Farmer_J said:Teslag said:Farmer_J said:
If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
He's a grifter and Zelensky is like the king of grifting. He's his hero
ProgN said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) February 28, 2025
Zelensky issues statement:
“Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you POTUS, Congress, and the American people.
Ukraine needs just and lasting peace and we are working exactly for that” pic.twitter.com/cpHlU02agx
There is zero chance Z said, or even thought, these words today.