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In reply to amercer • 1:35p
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amercer said:
Trump wanted a public ass kissing and didn't get it. This makes Trump mad mad, and his pool boy JD has to play along.

But make no mistake, all politics is local. Zelensky knows Trump isn't going to help, so why kiss his ass when you could stand up to him for the folks back home?
You've got it backwards, Trump knows the American people have grown tired of this conflict and the support is dwindling...so why kiss Zelenskyy's ass and allow him to keep dictating what the U.S. needs to do for them?

JD Vance is no pool boy. Joe Biden was Zelenskyy's pool boy...and allowed Ukraine to play him at every turn.

Not bending over backwards to keep giving more and more money to a never-ending conflict isn't being pro-Russia...it's being pro-America and focusing on our own interests first. We gain very little from this conflict, other than possible leverage with Ukraine...but their leader clearly has no respect for our own country so why trust them more than we'd trust Putin? Neither are moral leaders.
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Even Zelensky's buddy Lindsey Graham is on TV saying Z absolutely screwed the pooch…
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In reply to Tom Kazansky 2012 • 1:35p
Tom Kazansky 2012 said:
Im Gipper said:
MTG's boy friend:

What an absolute ****** bag


This whole vid is hysterical if you look at everyone's individual expression to the question. Legit cackling over here.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:36p
Teslag said:
Urban Ag said:
But Russia is not going to leave. So back to Maroon Dawn's options.

1. Endless war
2. NATO (US) boots on the ground
3. Negotiated peace


or, based on a post you made a few pages back, are you good with an option

4. Ukraine collapses, Russia occupies, and Ukes fight a bloody asymetric war in their streets

I can't for a moment believe that Option 4 would be better than Option 3



There will be endless war without our aid. These people hate each other and it won't stop simply because we pull aid. More will die.
They are ONE ethnic people divided by NATO/EU and Western anti-Russian propaganda. Remove that.... and they won't hate each other because there will be no reason to.

My family and friends freely traveled between Ukraine and Russia in the 2000s and 2010s prior to 2014 with no issues. So did Russian and Ukrainian families.....

Illegitimate coups staged by the West can have far reaching consequences. Us breaking our commitment to not advance NATO membership eastward (Reagan, Bush 1, and Clinton assured him) is the other part of that.

But you don't want to consider that......... When people point that out... you just protest 'You are parroting Putin talking points'.

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Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

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What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:36p
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Teslag said:
Posting images when you're out of arguments
I am not arguing anything. There is no argument to be had. I doubt "endless wars" will continue in the area as one side cannot fund it.

Hopefully, for your "argument's" sake, the war machine that is the EU will come through....lol.
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Casual Cynic said:
Looks like the war will continue.

Correct. Z doesn't want peace in his country, he wants American tax money. Hopefully the Ukrainian people are sick of him and are ready to string him up from a tree.

And they'd just replace him with Zalzhuny who is more anti Russia than even zalenskyy.
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10 years from now we will shake our head at seeing dictator dryfit in the Oval Office
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Flavius Agximus said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.


We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:38p
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.


Lol.

How about the first question?.


The CIA did exactly the same thing in Ukraine as Russia was doing.

We won. Then their people elected another guy after that in zelensky.


Glad you're on record admitting that the cia overthrew an elected government in ukraine and install its own regime.

You just acknowledged that zelensky is a puppet.
There's nothing more to argue with you about.

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In reply to Teslag • 1:38p
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Teslag said:
Flavius Agximus said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.


We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
Your gaslighting is not accepted. Sorry pal.
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In reply to Casual Cynic • 1:40p
Casual Cynic said:
Looks like the war will continue.
Will be a lot harder without billions of ours to launder.
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Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.


Lol.

How about the first question?.


The CIA did exactly the same thing in Ukraine as Russia was doing.

We won. Then their people elected another guy after that in zelensky.


Glad you're on record admitting that the cia overthrew an elected government in ukraine and install its own regime.

You just acknowledged that zelensky is a puppet.
There's nothing more to argue with you about.



Zelensky won the election AFTER that one beating the guy the CIA "installed"
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There will be endless war without our aid. These people hate each other and it won't stop simply because we pull aid. More will die.
It's already an endless war with no end in sight and no end to the killing. We're just supposed to write a check when asked and say nothing...I think that's the wrong approach and we need to consider America's interests first. This is becoming an Eastern European version of Afghanistan where there's no plan and just endless fighting. The whole "We gotta fight em over there so we don't have to fight em here" philosophy has soured a lot of Americans on global conflict.
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Flavius Agximus said:
Teslag said:
Flavius Agximus said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.
You are right there is no legal agreement but overlook that the promise was made in order to induce the Soviets to negotiate over German reunification. As time went on, the Soviet Union collapsed and administrations changed, that promise was forgotten or ignored and repeatedly broken.


We didn't make this promise either. Even Gorbachev said no such agreement existed.
Your gaslighting is not accepted. Sorry pal.


So now Gorbachev is in on the conspiracy
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In reply to Teslag • 1:45p
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:
Teslag said:
AgGrad99 said:

Quote:
What's funny is that there are people here who actually believe that Zellensky is a lone ranger in all of this, and not someone's puppet.


The fact that so many people starred the post calling him a hero speaks volumes.

No one is a hero here. Not Putin, Not Zelensky, not the EU nations for marching this conflict down the road, not the US for funneling Billions to Ukraine.

This is a disaster that needs to stop. But Zelensky is a moron who's propagating more conflict.


This conflict could stop in seconds if Russia removed their forces from another country.


Can you acknowledge that the CIA overthrew the country in 2014?

And expanded nato against a long held agreement, we had with russia?


We had no agreement with Russia not to expand NATO.


Lol.

How about the first question?.


The CIA did exactly the same thing in Ukraine as Russia was doing.

We won. Then their people elected another guy after that in zelensky.


Glad you're on record admitting that the cia overthrew an elected government in ukraine and install its own regime.

You just acknowledged that zelensky is a puppet.
There's nothing more to argue with you about.



Zelensky won the election AFTER that one beating the guy the CIA "installed"


There's a phone call of the state department deciding who's gonna be in the new government.

The cia holding free and fair elections lololol

That's some serious mental gymnastics
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In reply to captkirk • 1:45p
captkirk said:
Bones08 said:
I'm ignorant here. Why is the lack of peace Zelensky's fault and not Putin's fault?
Seems Zelensky is unwilling to negotiate peace at this time. He'd prefer to keep the grift of US tax dollars going.


And Putin is?
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If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?
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In reply to Farmer_J • 1:46p
I had to use a lot of gymnastics to scroll through all of the embedded quotes. You can use the reply function.

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ProgN said:
Burdizzo said:
A remake of Goodfellas

Donald Trump as Jimmy Conway
JD Vance as Tommy DeVito
Vlad Zelenskyy as Billy Batts



Or....

Z is Vincent Vega
Vance is Jules Winfield
Trump is Winston Wolf

(A please would be nice)
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Farmer_J said:

If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?


Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.
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His actions today say otherwise. Enjoy the plane ride back home to your ****hole country.
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Ultimately Trump is right that Z holds no cards. He should have just listened to Trump and made the best of it.
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Z better have some money or one of his vacation houses set aside to "donate" to Trump's Presidential Center if he wants to mea culpa.
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In reply to Farmer_J • 1:48p
He's already said that. The Ukrainian Constitution does not allow for elections in wartime. He's already said there will be an election as soon as the war is over and he's willing to not run again.
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In reply to Jbob04 • 1:48p
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His actions today say otherwise. Enjoy the plane ride back home to your ****hole country.
Check the time on the X post. He did a quick 180 after being kicked out of the WH.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:48p
Teslag said:
Farmer_J said:

If the people love zelensky, he won't mind having an election right?


Yes as soon as his constitution allows. Not doing so is what a dictator does.


It's funny watching you twist yourself in knots to defend that puppet
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Reportedly Z told Vance "F you beach" under his breath in his own Ukrainian.
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