Rockdoc said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Imagine taking the side of a foreign puppet profiting of a war decimating his own people more than your own preisdent trying to save you money, better your life, and END a terrible war.

Your views are antithesis to what's best for Americans.

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Because that's how democrats react when they're not in power.

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Uh, when they're IN power, too.

That's what I voted for!

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rootube said:

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rootube said:

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Biz Ag said:

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Can you imagine Churchill or De Gaulle speaking to FDR like that?

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If our offer was a minerals deal to recoup our investment with zero weapons or security guarantees. Yes.

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Why are they entitled to guarantees when they can't guarantee us anything?

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I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing. It seemed bizarre to me that we were even going through this charade. This was a logical outcome given the messages the US has been sending. Our government has publicly.

Blamed Ukraine for starting the war.
Called Zelenskyy the illegitimate leader of his country.
Inflated the amount of aid we have given by 4x
Falsely claimed that Europe is not contributed aid
Conceded that Ukraine will have to give up more territory
Conceded that Ukraine will never join NATO
Excluded Ukraine from negotiations for their own country
Communicated that we have no intention of providing more aid
Communicates that we will not provide security guarantees

All of this BEFORE the start of peace negotiations the Ukrainians were excluded from

Quick, can you name a single Russian concession that has been discussed?


Does any of that sound appealing to a Ukrainian fighting for his country?

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Who could've possibly predicted this would end this way? Other than me and several others, a couple years ago of course.

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The concession is that the war ends and Ukraine remains a separate country, even if it's a bit smaller.

This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thing

I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025

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I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing.

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Nothing?

Right now he has nothing. With us going to the negotiating table on his behalf...he has at least some sort of leverage. But we're not going to do that for free any longer...and that's what he hates. He doesnt like that he'd be paying us, instead of us paying him (like we've done).

Without us he has zero leverage. WIth us he gains continued support, rebuilding efforts and leverage at the table with Russia. Everyone recognizes that. His own government knows it, which is why they are freaking out right now.

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We explicitly said no more aid and no security guarantees. Right now Zelenskyy has a stalemate in the east of his country he probably made a bet that a better partner who is willing to provide guarantees is Europe. Time will tell if he is making the right decision or a horrible mistake.

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The fact that the left has become a bunch of saber rattling war hawks is one of the most impressive psyops in human history.

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So true. The usual leftists on my Facebook feed are all flying their Ukrainian flags again after today. LOL. Their heads would explode like matter hitting anti-matter if Trump told Z today that he would commit 100K US troops to push the Russians out of Ukraine because they'd either have to agree with Trump (which will never happen) or have to support an actual US entanglement with our troops in a foreign war which history has proven leftists don't do.

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The look was bad. They should have talked this through in private. Fighting in public is not a good look.

Fight all you want inside a room.

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Rockdoc said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Imagine taking the side of a foreign puppet profiting of a war decimating his own people more than your own preisdent trying to save you money, better your life, and END a terrible war.

Your views are antithesis to what's best for Americans.

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Because that's how democrats react when they're not in power.

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Well, and their whole TDS stuff puts them over the edge. Anything Trump does irritates them. Plus, they supported an extremely weak leader, wait I'm sorry he wasn't in charge an extremely corrupt party for four years and thought everything they did was good. They're really ****ed up in the head.

They have no problem with America, being constantly taking advantage of, constantly screwing over the taxpayers money to endless wars and bull**** and think appeasing situations like this is the right way to go. They're not used to a strong leader. Trump isn't perfect, but he is definitely first and sees how badly we've been taken advantag of.

This **** all started under the by administration, but they'll have you believe it was Trump's fault. And even now they'll claim that he was in the wrong here. I believe it will get worked out, but Democrats liberals and very weak minded people really don't understand global governments and politics.

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AgGrad99 said:

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I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing.

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Nothing?

Right now he has nothing. With us going to the negotiating table on his behalf...he has at least some sort of leverage. But we're not going to do that for free any longer...and that's what he hates. He doesnt like that he'd be paying us, instead of us paying him (like we've done).

Without us he has zero leverage. WIth us he gains continued support, rebuilding efforts and leverage at the table with Russia. Everyone recognizes that. His own government knows it, which is why they are freaking out right now.

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We explicitly said no more aid and no security guarantees. Right now Zelenskyy has a stalemate in the east of his country he probably made a bet that a better partner who is willing to provide guarantees is Europe. Time will tell if he is making the right decision or a horrible mistake.

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Read the summary of the meeting. The full 40 minutes. From that summary:

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For his part, Trump made clear that the US would continue delivering military aid. All Zelensky had to do was remain calm for a few more minutes and they would've signed a deal.

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LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.

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Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.

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Its unfortunate Z let it escalate....but I also think there is some blame on Trump and Vance with how they've played it. Z has everything to lose so he should have thought about that.

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AgGrad99 said:

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I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing.

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Nothing?

Right now he has nothing. With us going to the negotiating table on his behalf...he has at least some sort of leverage. But we're not going to do that for free any longer...and that's what he hates. He doesnt like that he'd be paying us, instead of us paying him (like we've done).

Without us he has zero leverage. WIth us he gains continued support, rebuilding efforts and leverage at the table with Russia. Everyone recognizes that. His own government knows it, which is why they are freaking out right now.

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We explicitly said no more aid and no security guarantees. Right now Zelenskyy has a stalemate in the east of his country he probably made a bet that a better partner who is willing to provide guarantees is Europe. Time will tell if he is making the right decision or a horrible mistake.

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if that's his thinking, then here's a spoiler. Its a horrible mistake. Europe has their own problems. They cannot bankroll a stalemate of a war in Ukraine. Not without the US they can't.

Damn, when you got one of the biggest GOP hawks/Uke huggers in Lindsay Graham calling for Zelensky to resign you know you ****ed up bad.

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strbrst777 said:

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Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.

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Its unfortunate Z let it escalate....but I also think there is some blame on Trump and Vance with how they've played it. Z has everything to lose so he should have thought about that.

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Trump and Vance are known quantities. They also hold the purse strings.
Zelensky has no cards to play.
It was stupid.

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Elect a clown, expect a circus.

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The clown who did the most damage just left office.

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They're too proud to admit that. They're back to their warm blanket of blaming Trump for everything and about being silent for 4 years.

Zelensky is going to get outsted, which was one of Putin's stated goals of the invasion.

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This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thing

I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025

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Shocked that the anti-Trumpers are taking a quick soundbite and drawing their own biased conclusions without looking at the entire transcript or content. They would NEVER do a thing like that!

If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…

— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025

BluHorseShu said:

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strbrst777 said:

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Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.

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Its unfortunate Z let it escalate....but I also think there is some blame on Trump and Vance with how they've played it. Z has everything to lose so he should have thought about that.

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Shocker

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1. Cut off all funding to Ukraine.

2. Give the Russians access to starlink and cut service to Zelensky's army.

3. Give Putin strategic information as to Ukrainian troop locations and movements. Let Putin overrun the Ukrainians and rid the world of Zelensky. Ukraine won't ever be a member of nato.

4. In repayment for this get Putin to sign over the mineral rights to Ukraine. Work the deal to have American companies profit from the development.

5. As part of the deal have Putin and Syria demolish what's left of Gaza and send every hamashole to
Meet their virgins.

It's a win/win. Putin is a lot easier to deal with than Zelensky plus we need Russia to give us leverage when dealing with the real evil empire, CHINA.

Zalensky is a major idiot, who just ripped his britches. And dumber than a Democrat.

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No one here is pro Russia

Zelensky has forgotten that he's deal with the only POTUS to step across the 38th parallel and walk into the enemy's territory to make negotiations and keep an enemy in line and was successful.

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This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thing

I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025

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Shocked that the anti-Trumpers are taking a quick soundbite and drawing their own biased conclusions without looking at the entire transcript or content. They would NEVER do a thing like that!

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It doesn't matter what those clowns think.

WTF was Zelensky doing? He looked less like a Ukrainian leader and more like the next Democrat party candidate.

🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!

The mic caught it!

He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025

Rockdoc said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Elect a clown, expect a circus.

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I don't care who is president, nobody comes into our house, the Oval Office, and disrespect us. No American president should bend over and kiss another leaders ass. Ukraine has received a lot of money from us and wants more. Act like it.

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Ironically, it was certain people's voting choice in 2020 who came into office and set that very precedent...which Trump is now having to clean up the mess from.

"Elect a clown, expect a circus" indeed.

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rootube said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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I'm not saying we are entitled to give them anything. People are attacking Zelenskyy for rejecting a deal that gives him nothing.

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Nothing?

Right now he has nothing. With us going to the negotiating table on his behalf...he has at least some sort of leverage. But we're not going to do that for free any longer...and that's what he hates. He doesnt like that he'd be paying us, instead of us paying him (like we've done).

Without us he has zero leverage. WIth us he gains continued support, rebuilding efforts and leverage at the table with Russia. Everyone recognizes that. His own government knows it, which is why they are freaking out right now.

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We explicitly said no more aid and no security guarantees. Right now Zelenskyy has a stalemate in the east of his country he probably made a bet that a better partner who is willing to provide guarantees is Europe. Time will tell if he is making the right decision or a horrible mistake.

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if that's his thinking, then here's a spoiler. Its a horrible mistake. Europe has their own problems. They cannot bankroll a stalemate of a war in Ukraine. Not without the US they can't.

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You may be right. I suppose we are going to find out.

Gigem314 said:

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This is a long tweet from a professor of public affairs at Colombia, but it's worth reading. Really looks like Z let his ego crater this entire thing

I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025

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Shocked that the anti-Trumpers are taking a quick soundbite and drawing their own biased conclusions without looking at the entire transcript or content. They would NEVER do a thing like that!

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They get spoon fed by the media who will gladly reinforce their bad takes and paint Trump as the bad guy. Remember "good people on both sides"?

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🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!

The mic caught it!

He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025

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"But but but why are Trump and Vance being so mean!"

45-70Ag said:

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If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…

— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025

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LOL. The last people Z should be listening to are the sad remnants of the failed American Left. That shows a lot about his decison making.

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45-70Ag said:

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If it’s true that Blinken, Rice, Nuland, and Vindman conference called with Zelenskyyyyy on the flight to DC advising him to "stand strong" and "be tough" and "don't let Trump bully you" it seems to have backfired. Perhaps FBI Director Patel should meet with those clowns for a…

— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) February 28, 2025

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If this is true, it makes sense.
These clowns want to score points for the Democrat party, and never really gave a **** about Ukraine.
Zelensky got played.
Yet again.

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But remember you guys, the clown show only started the moment Trump took office...not when those clowns were running things for 4 years.

45-70Ag said:

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🇺🇸🇺🇦 ZELENSKY CALLED JD VANCE A BITCH!

The mic caught it!

He literally called JD Vance a BITCH. WOW pic.twitter.com/tIs81qi0wY

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) February 28, 2025

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Zelensky is a punk. He obviously does not care about his people dying.

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It is amazing that a country invades a sovereign country and we are on the side of the invaders. That is the heart of the matter and it is disturbing.

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That WAS the situation. Now Trump is in office and he's offering Z a way out of this, but he keeps grifting, looking for a better deal instead of looking for peace. Z is a sellout to his own people and he's trying to use the media to negotiate a better settlement for himself, not his people.

As for Z not holding elections during wartime, it's true that's what his constitution says. But I'm also pretty sure his constitution doesn't give him the authority to jail his political opponents. He selectively follows the constitution when it suits him personally.