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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

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We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.

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How much money should we give Zelenskyy? A man not qualified to run a kill aid stand..

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don't drink the kill aid

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Z is a rude, ungrateful, disgusting jerk. The meeting was on TV.

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Trump and JD "eyeliner" Vance want to take all of Ukraine's minerals WITHOUT giving a security guarantee. When did the Republican Party become led by communists? This is embarrassing. Absolute lowest life forms are leading that party and our country.

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Iraq and Afghanistan - we had Osama in the Tora Bora mountains, on the run, and could have cut him off and ended this before it started.

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A few B61-11 bombs and we could have called it a day.

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mallen said:

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

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"You're gambling with World War III..." Trump said.

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WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

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Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

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Yes, I know nothing matters as long as it "owns the libs." You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

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What is "bad" exactly? If it is anything the DEMS believe, than yes I agree

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rootube said:

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I disagree. The US was offering Ukraine basically nothing. If you are Zelenskyy, why kiss the ring if there is nothing in it for you? His approval rating at home and in Europe probably went through the roof. Time will tell if that's enough to finish off Russia.

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I would hardly call what we've given Ukraine for the past few years "nothing". Ukraine isn't entitled to anything from the U.S. at this point. If Z would rather scoff at the one nation willing to give him significant aid to score points at home, then good luck to him making it work with what he has...because today's display isn't going to sell more Americans on supporting them.

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Zelenskyy needed security guarantees. Johnson already said there would be no new aid. This deal only offered vague details on how the US could recover its original investment. What about that makes Ukraine more secure? Russia has already violated two agreements, what on earth would make you think Putin would keep this deal backed by undeveloped mineral rights?

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After 3 years of this mess, it's clear that no matter what amount of money we send...it's not making Ukraine any more secure. At some point we have to think about our interests instead of being pushed for more and more and more.

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But it is making a difference...Putin hasn't captured Kiev. Russia is ACTIVELY attempting to annex a sovereign allied nation and our support in the form of munitions and old equipment is enough to stalemate the entire attack. Russia is bleeding out financially and literally (they are running out of soldiers and have to beg NK for troops). They would love to negotiate a "cease fire" where they get to keep the land they captured, regroup, and prepare for the next phase of the invasion. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN unless we are prepared to continue further support if they try again.

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Forcing a peace deal to happen is the best thing for the Ukrainians whose lives would be lost (and, yes, also for the Russians whose lives would be lost, many of whom are fighting against their will or at least due to govt propaganda) AND it keeps us from spending our treasure on someone else's war.

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OF COURSE, a peace deal is the best thing BUT WHAT SECURITY GUARANTEES IS THE UNITED STATES WILLING TO COMMIT? Because Russia has shown REPEATEDLY that they do not honor 'ceasefires.' Why would Zelensky capitulate to a peace deal he knows Russia won't honor, without the US and NATO allies pledging continued support should that breach happen?

Trump so far is only focused on 'repayment' of money already spent but has been completely unable or unwilling to commit to future support or protection.

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Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.

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We just watched POTUS attempt to extort Zelensky on National television in the presence of Russian state media "journalists" while the AP and Reuters were banned.

I mean this is a new low, even for Trump. Disgusting and childish are adjectives that won't get TexAgs word filtered. Beyond the incredulous treatment of AN ALLY, he literally went on a HUNTER BIDENS LAPTOP detour.

This is abominable.

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"You're gambling with World War III..." Trump said.

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WTF is he on about? Does he make that same accusation against Putin, the guy who actually started this war, by launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? Why is the country defending itself the one being accused of "gambling with World War III"?

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Although I have wasted a lot of time today reading this thread I would genuinely like to thank you and the other unhinged libs melting down on F16 today. This thread has genuinely been one of the more entertaining I have read in quite some time.

Keep it coming.

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Yes, I know nothing matters as long as it "owns the libs." You and countless others have made it quite clear that no matter how bad something is, as long as 'libs' are crying, it must be good.

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What is "bad" exactly? If it is anything the DEMS believe, than yes I agree

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It's genuinely baffling to me.

Does MAGA not understand why the US spent seven decades being more than happy that the other NATO nations weren't building massive militaries?

You can either have a world where you are the global hegemon and all your allies do what you say and are inextricably bound to your economy, or you can have a world where you demand Europe remilitarizes to "pay its way" only to discover it no longer feels obliged to follow your lead.

There are literally thousands of very interesting books written by extremely clever people from the 40s to the 00s explaining the rationale of this and why it was a conscious decision made by US strategic planners, and it's all falling apart because "We're being taken advantage of" is a convenient line to get some cheap votes from idiots.

I don't think any global power has ever undermined its own interests so comprehensively before, it's breath taking.

Zelensky is an entitled grifting twerp.

And Putin is a power hungry enemy of his own people.

We have no business taking sides in this.

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Can you imagine Churchill or De Gaulle speaking to FDR like that?

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Churchill? No not that he wouldn't be tempted but just not part of the British decorum.

De Gaulle OTOH, hell yes. De Gaulle was always a complete French jerk.

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The Ukrainian constitution requires elections be put on hold during wartime, apparently, as a wartime election would be of dubious legitimacy.

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So, he has an incentive to continue the war?

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The Ukrainian constitution requires elections be put on hold during wartime, apparently, as a wartime election would be of dubious legitimacy.

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So, he has an incentive to continue the war?

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Ya, the incentive is there's a foreign country on his soil killing his people

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OF COURSE, a peace deal is the best thing BUT WHAT SECURITY GUARANTEES IS THE UNITED STATES WILLING TO COMMIT?

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NONE... we have been bailing out Europe since April 1917. This 'Lafayette we are Here' crap has to stop. Europe has for almost 108 years depended on American treasure and blood. If they are unwilling to step up-shame on them.

He had a negotiation live on television to pressure Zelensky to make the deal because it means more for Trump's legacy to say he negotiated peace. Instead, Zelensky defended his country, called a buck a buck, and went home. Trump was already pulling support. He ran on that, so, nothing changed. Only thing it showed us was that Trump really isn't this strongman that can force peace. He's like any other president. A leader of one country with waning influence abroad.

'He's all dressed up today'

President Trump greets Zelenskyy at the White House: “He’s all dressed up today"pic.twitter.com/ic1427T1RT

— Rantingly (@rantinglydotcom) February 28, 2025

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'He's all dressed up today'

President Trump greets Zelenskyy at the White House: “He’s all dressed up today"pic.twitter.com/ic1427T1RT

— Rantingly (@rantinglydotcom) February 28, 2025

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WHOA! Is this being reported anywhere else?

🇺🇦 BREAKING: Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky just called for an Emergency Session of Ukraine’s Parliament to initiate IMPEACHMENT Proceedings against President Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match.

This is HUGE. Zelensky’s Regime is collapsing in real time. pic.twitter.com/cWE0m5be6s

— Cillian (@CilComLFC) February 28, 2025

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They could always borrow Al Green...calling for impeachment is his specialty.

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Zelenskyy has better approval ratings than Trump. I expect them to only go up after today.

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Good for him. Hopefully the loss in support over here was worth it for his goals.

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He had a negotiation live on television to pressure Zelensky to make the deal because it means more for Trump's legacy to say he negotiated peace. Instead, Zelensky defended his country, called a buck a buck, and went home. Trump was already pulling support. He ran on that, so, nothing changed. Only thing it showed us was that Trump really isn't this strongman that can force peace. He's like any other president. A leader of one country with waning influence abroad.

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Again, you libs LOVE to spike the ball before the play is over.

No way it backfires.

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He had a negotiation live on television to pressure Zelensky to make the deal because it means more for Trump's legacy to say he negotiated peace. Instead, Zelensky defended his country, called a buck a buck, and went home. Trump was already pulling support. He ran on that, so, nothing changed. Only thing it showed us was that Trump really isn't this strongman that can force peace. He's like any other president. A leader of one country with waning influence abroad.

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I'd wait until the end to see how this plays out, before definitively judging the outcome. The world thinks Zelensky screwed up, his own party is calling for him to be impeached and he has absolutely zero leverage.

It's more likely he comes crawling back to sign the agreement, than not.

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He had a negotiation live on television to pressure Zelensky to make the deal because it means more for Trump's legacy to say he negotiated peace. Instead, Zelensky defended his country, called a buck a buck, and went home. Trump was already pulling support. He ran on that, so, nothing changed. Only thing it showed us was that Trump really isn't this strongman that can force peace. He's like any other president. A leader of one country with waning influence abroad.

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Apparently if you watch the entire discussion, Trump kept reiterating that the US was willing to continue military aid.

I watched the entire press conference with Zelensky. There was 40 minutes of discussion up to the argument. Most people saw at most the last ten minutes. The whole video gives the proper context.

When I first watched the argument without the proper context, I thought it was…

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) February 28, 2025

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WHOA! Is this being reported anywhere else?

🇺🇦 BREAKING: Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky just called for an Emergency Session of Ukraine’s Parliament to initiate IMPEACHMENT Proceedings against President Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match.

This is HUGE. Zelensky’s Regime is collapsing in real time. pic.twitter.com/cWE0m5be6s

— Cillian (@CilComLFC) February 28, 2025

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They could always borrow Al Green...calling for impeachment is his specialty.

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Zelenskyy has better approval ratings than Trump. I expect them to only go up after today.

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Good for him. Hopefully the loss in support over here was worth it for his goals.

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What support?

Trump and his buddies have all sided with Russia.

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Trump was the best choice in the election and is right about a lot of things. He is absolutely wrong about this and in 20 years, most people will realize it.

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What specifically is going to happen that will be evident in 20 years?

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We will all be speaking Chinese?

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A leader of one country with waning influence abroad.

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Gee, wonder how that happened?

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Trump was the best choice in the election and is right about a lot of things. He is absolutely wrong about this and in 20 years, most people will realize it.

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What specifically is going to happen that will be evident in 20 years?

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We will all be speaking Chinese?

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Then it sounds like we to get our money out of Ukraine and start applying it to the real threat.

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Zelensky seems wrapped in righteous indignation and the invasion he feels he is the center-point for the country. I do feel that he cares, but he's missing the bigger picture that there are no winners in this conflict. They can't expel Russia and even is Russia took Ukraine, they can't hold it. It would deplete the last of their forces, then it becomes Baghdad on a much bigger scale.

There's no winning this from either side.

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What do you do if you are Zelenskyy?

After the fall of the Soviet Union your country gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees from the US and Russia as part of the Budapest memo to "Protect Ukraine's territorial integrity". Something that everyone naively thought would make the world safer.

Flash forward to 2014 and Russia takes Crimea and the Donbas which are part of Ukraine. The countries eventually sign the Minsk Agreement to stop the war in the Donbas. Russia breaks that agreement and continues to push forward in the Donbas eventually leading to the full scale invasion of Ukraine in '22. Surely you can appreciate how the Ukrainians would be skeptical of a deal with no security guarantees. You have to either naively believe that Russia has changed or make the calculation that you can improve your position with actual guarantees from Europe.

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Zelensky is an entitled grifting twerp.

And Putin is a power hungry enemy of his own people.

We have no business taking sides in this.

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And :

Western Europe is oppressing its native populations.

Western Europe in the form of the EU is suppressing elections in Central Europe. Romania

Maybe we have no business being over that at all until we figure out how all this is going to shake out. The 80 year political realignment freak out was running a few years late but its here now.

Hang on to your butts.

🇺🇦 BREAKING: Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky just called for an Emergency Session of Ukraine’s Parliament to initiate IMPEACHMENT Proceedings against President Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match.

This is HUGE. Zelensky’s Regime is collapsing in real time. pic.twitter.com/cWE0m5be6s

— Cillian (@CilComLFC) February 28, 2025

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Zelensky showed exactly who he is. He is no diplomat. He is a little guy held up as a hero which just feeds his Napoleonic complex. He couldn't stand no being a showman and trying to be "macho" and feeding his ego.

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Zelenskyy has managed to keep his country in the fight with the second largest military in the world for three years. He's probably going to go down as the second greatest diplomat in history behind Winston Churchill. Trump on the other hand boasted he could end this war in 24 hours.

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The second greatest diplomat in history behind Winston Churchill would have shown far more tact when dealing with one of the primary sources that is keeping his nation in the fight. More so if he really believes Trump is unhinged or Putin's puppet. He overplayed his hand trying to look good for his European buddies who are only going to go so far in helping him obtain Ukraine's goals in this fight.

I think the war in the Ukraine has shown the conventional Russian military has largely become a paper tiger since the fall of the USSR and that its favorite tactic has largely been shown to be ineffective in the age of modern warfare. If you are trying to sell the idea that Ukraine is the bulwark for the rest of Europe against mean old Russia, I'm not buying that considering how poorly it has faired in this war.

Please note, I do not favor Russia in this conflict. I favor a free and independent Ukraine. I would also hate to see the aggressor (Russia) get anything it looked for with their invasion but this conflict is three years old and is basically a stalemate. Is it possible that one side or the other can still get the upper hand here? Sure, but right now to me it seems like many are simply getting maimed and killed due to both sides trying to save face. This war is going to end through diplomacy not on the battlefield and the second greatest diplomat behind Churchill harmed his position by his actions today.

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Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order. 🇱🇺🇺🇦

— Luc Frieden (@LucFrieden) February 28, 2025

lol
And they've got zero capacity to help.

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Lol. Luxembourg…laughable.