AGC said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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No, we are broke as a country, who gives a F about the university at this point?

Holy cow, the deficit is even worse than expected!!

Fraud and waste accelerated massively under the Biden administration https://t.co/3PXUUfmiws

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 10, 2025

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Probably everyone else on this website besides you I guess….

Most of us care about this place a lot.

Universities are going to fall apart when they lose all this research funding and we are going to fall behind very in innovation compared to the rest of the world.

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Obligatory: Welcome to the party pal!

They're already falling apart. Enrollment cliff is here. Tuition is unsustainable and administration is bloated. The northeast and Midwest will be hit hardest but smaller colleges have been getting pinched and failing for years.

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Not ideal. I work in sales for biological research equipment so I have a pulse on how the universities support research, and I don't think people realize how much this is going to hurt people and the school we love. Dropping suddenly from 60%+ to 15% on indirect costs for a year that's already budgeted out…

NIH funded research impacts all of our lives in such a giant scope and most don't even realize how. Public research might be dead now.

Saxplayer8 said:

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AGC said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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No, we are broke as a country, who gives a F about the university at this point?

Holy cow, the deficit is even worse than expected!!

Fraud and waste accelerated massively under the Biden administration https://t.co/3PXUUfmiws

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 10, 2025

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Probably everyone else on this website besides you I guess….

Most of us care about this place a lot.

Universities are going to fall apart when they lose all this research funding and we are going to fall behind very in innovation compared to the rest of the world.

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Obligatory: Welcome to the party pal!

They're already falling apart. Enrollment cliff is here. Tuition is unsustainable and administration is bloated. The northeast and Midwest will be hit hardest but smaller colleges have been getting pinched and failing for years.

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Not ideal. I work in sales for biological research equipment so I have a pulse on how the universities support research, and I don't think people realize how much this is going to hurt people and the school we love. Dropping suddenly from 60%+ to 15% on indirect costs for a year that's already budgeted out…

NIH funded research impacts all of our lives in such a giant scope and most don't even realize how. Public research might be dead now.

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Yeah that's a real bummer. Sucks when you've built a business on an unsustainable model. They have to live like the rest of us in Biden's economy.

SA68AG said:

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samurai_science said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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No, we are broke as a country, who gives a F about the university at this point?

Holy cow, the deficit is even worse than expected!!

Fraud and waste accelerated massively under the Biden administration https://t.co/3PXUUfmiws

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 10, 2025

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Probably everyone else on this website besides you I guess….

Most of us care about this place a lot.

Universities are going to fall apart when they lose all this research funding and we are going to fall behind very in innovation compared to the rest of the world.

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Good, they are liberal cesspools.

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Only about 30% of R&D is performed by universities. 70% is done by the private sector. When you remove research on gender studies and nonsense like that and subtract the amounts universities siphon off for admin costs the % of real R&D performed by universities is even less. American innovation compared to the rest of the world will be just fine.

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I mean, I think they're compliments to each other, although I prefer all of research to not be driven purely off profit motive. That's not what science is supposed to be about.

Your 70% to 30% is just comparing dollars spent anyways, not an analysis of where novel ideas and innovations are made. Most innovations definitely come from publicly funded research whether it be the NIH of DoD.

I'm talking about the research admin, investigators, lab staff and others. They're normal people like you and me.

Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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How much money we talking?

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I'm talking about the research admin, investigators, lab staff and others. They're normal people like you and me.

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Yeah, me too. Leadership at universities across the country have mismanaged the institutions assuming taxpayers would backstop student loans and bloated their administrative staff while raising tuition. It's always been a bad model but now it's time to pay the piper. They're the ones you shroud question, not us.

Barnyard96 said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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How much money we talking?

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They've capped indirect costs on grants to 15%. Last time I spoke to a PI at TAMU, I believe they said A&M gets an additional 61% on top of the grant for indirect costs for overhead such as building upkeep/renovations, new lab funding to recruit, scientist and staff salaries and utilities

AGC said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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I'm talking about the research admin, investigators, lab staff and others. They're normal people like you and me.

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Yeah, me too. Leadership at universities across the country have mismanaged the institutions assuming taxpayers would backstop student loans and bloated their administrative staff while raising tuition. It's always been a bad model but now it's time to pay the piper. They're the ones you shroud question, not us.

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I am not saying things don't need to be fixed, but I'm really wondering if most public universities will even be around in a few years due to this. There's a ton of overhead costs to being heavy research institutions like A&M and there won't be much there to support it now

Saxplayer8 said:

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AGC said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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No, we are broke as a country, who gives a F about the university at this point?

Holy cow, the deficit is even worse than expected!!

Fraud and waste accelerated massively under the Biden administration https://t.co/3PXUUfmiws

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 10, 2025

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Probably everyone else on this website besides you I guess….

Most of us care about this place a lot.

Universities are going to fall apart when they lose all this research funding and we are going to fall behind very in innovation compared to the rest of the world.

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Obligatory: Welcome to the party pal!

They're already falling apart. Enrollment cliff is here. Tuition is unsustainable and administration is bloated. The northeast and Midwest will be hit hardest but smaller colleges have been getting pinched and failing for years.

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Not ideal. I work in sales for biological research equipment so I have a pulse on how the universities support research, and I don't think people realize how much this is going to hurt people and the school we love. Dropping suddenly from 60%+ to 15% on indirect costs for a year that's already budgeted out…

NIH funded research impacts all of our lives in such a giant scope and most don't even realize how.After COVID, I think the entire world understands exactly how much NIH funded research impacts all of our lives Public research might be dead now.

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Missing the point, but I don't know what I expected coming here to ask if anyone was worried about the school affiliated with this website being affected by politics.

What's the conservative hang up on the NIH and COVID anyways? Please enlighten me as I'm out of the loop on this one

In dollars please

Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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No. Not in the least.

The bottom line is the bureaucracy is way too bloated. None of it wants to be cut, but it is necessary if we want to continue as a democratic republic. And the corruption needs to go first. Also we could do with a much smaller federal judiciary.

Edited to add that the executive branch is way too large and constitutes most of the bureaucracy. The president is the chief executive and has the power to cut it. Appropriated funds don't have to be spent, and, even if they are, the funds can be spent and administered with fewer bureaucrats.

Not to mentioned killed tens of thousands of people by suppressing vital health information that ran contrary to the lies they've put out.

He's been playing Kenny G over on F84 lol

Let's see… worried about a University and its funding over saving our country from going broke and becoming third world. I'll take the country over Aggieland.

Saxplayer8 said:

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Missing the point, but I don't know what I expected coming here to ask if anyone was worried about the school affiliated with this website being affected by politics.

What's the conservative hang up on the NIH and COVID anyways? Please enlighten me as I'm out of the loop on this one

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I am not going to make an assumption about your political beliefs, but this line of thinking sounds exactly like leftist projection.

Since THEY can't imagine living without confiscated wealth via big government then they assume everyone else should feel the same way, hence all the meme ridicule at lefties posting "See what you did? I hope your happy with your vote now" type content.

ETA: If A&M suffers because they grew too dependent on tax dollars and exploiting students via tuition and taxpayer backed loans, then so be it. It deserves to suffer. It will be better after the pain.

American Hardwood said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Missing the point, but I don't know what I expected coming here to ask if anyone was worried about the school affiliated with this website being affected by politics.

What's the conservative hang up on the NIH and COVID anyways? Please enlighten me as I'm out of the loop on this one

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I am not going to make an assumption about your political beliefs, but this line of thinking sounds exactly like leftist projection.

Since THEY can't imagine living without confiscated wealth via big government then they assume everyone else should feel the same way, hence all the meme ridicule at lefties posting "See what you did? I hope your happy with your vote now" type content.

ETA: If A&M suffers because they grew too dependent on tax dollars and exploiting students via tuition and taxpayer backed loans, then so be it. It deserves to suffer. It will be better after the pain.

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I don't put myself in a particular group. It's just weird that he focused on COVID instead of the issue I was here to actually discuss. So really, his post tells you more about where his line of thinking lies. I'm legitimately out of the loop on why conservatives are mad at the NIH, specifically.

I appreciate your response though. I'm shocked by how many people would be okay with A&M failing. I'm genuinely worried about this. I think things are about to crumble, but I guess that's what a lot of people also want based on these responses so whatever I guess.

But also, I'm not really discussing loans or tuition. I'm talking about the funds that are provided by the NIH to help keep the lights on and that is a major source of funding for these schools in making us dominant in the research space. This is a lot of money that the institution was/is counting on. I don't see how crippling our research sector really helps our economy unless we just want it all to be entirely privatized. Profit seeking doesn't always result in the best science being done.

This university has plenty of funding and can handle a haircut.

Saxplayer8 said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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How much money we talking?

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They've capped indirect costs on grants to 15%. Last time I spoke to a PI at TAMU, I believe they said A&M gets an additional 61% on top of the grant for indirect costs for overhead such as building upkeep/renovations, new lab funding to recruit, scientist and staff salaries and utilities

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I thought IDC was 41%.

I'm in the TAMU system so we deal with that here too.

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I'm shocked by how many people would be okay with A&M failing. I'm genuinely worried about this. I think things are about to crumble, but I guess that's what a lot of people also want based on these responses so whatever I guess.

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The only thing "failing" and "crumbling" is this country's financial system if things are status quo. That is the point people are trying to make here. There is absolutely nothing wrong if A&M has to focus on the university part of the university. Keep in mind all of the big universities are in the same boat.

I doubt very seriously that A&M would "fail". I believe I said "suffer". Suffering can lead to great improvement which is quite literally the reason to "suffer" in this circumstance.

Some people who worked from home actually didn't work just received a check from the feds. They held other jobs where they actually worked.

Jail the thieves!

He probably also thinks Trump illegally took classified documents and that Trump doesn't have a right to fire employees in the Executive Branch.

JohnnyStatueNow said:

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He's been playing Kenny G over on F84 lol

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We got a pangolin in this thread that caused theCOVID.

Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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Nope.

70,000 students, super high tuition costs, lots of commercial investment into basic science that might lead to mid-term innovation.

The only people that work at TAMU that should be worried are administrators and useless humanities professors.

Saxplayer8 said:

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samurai_science said:

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Saxplayer8 said:

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Is anyone else worried about the NIH indirect fund cost potentially killing our university? Same with the freezes

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No, we are broke as a country, who gives a F about the university at this point?

Holy cow, the deficit is even worse than expected!!

Fraud and waste accelerated massively under the Biden administration https://t.co/3PXUUfmiws

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 10, 2025

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Probably everyone else on this website besides you I guess….

Most of us care about this place a lot.

Universities are going to fall apart when they lose all this research funding and we are going to fall behind very in innovation compared to the rest of the world.

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Who are you scared of overtaking us on the topic of research?

The Chinese? They don't innovate. All acceptable thinking comes from the party. Any thinking that does not come from the party leads to death.

The Japanese? They are amazing at refining processes. Deming is their God. And, the men are girlish and don't reproduce well. They are feckless. Again, not enough personal liberty for creative destruction.

Europe? You mean New Middle East? They will be raped and pillaged before they realize that the old world hegemony that is trying for complete world domination pulled the trigger about a century too early with their attempt to kill global national pride with refugee immigration. Old world money had stamped into the brains of the common people that classes exist, and meritocracy is a farce. No innovation.

A lot of Universities in the US will suffer. TAMU will too, probably. But, they will be on the far end of suffering the least.

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I mean, I think they're compliments to each other, although I prefer all of research to not be driven purely off profit motive. That's not what science is supposed to be about.

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About 150 years of economic world domination thanks to Smith, Mises, Hayek, and Friedman and the innovation that has occurred in the economies they envisioned would disagree.

Has there been any society ever that has been as innovative as the society that was built post the Great Depression on the idea of harnessed profit motive?

Who?

I'm good with most of that, but there's still no convincing data on the efficacy of hcq or ivermectin that I've seen. There's plenty on that list to be correct about without adding in dubious points that the left can poke holes in

TRADUCTOR said:

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We got a pangolin in this thread that caused theCOVID.

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Well, I learned a new word today.