Mass casualty event New Orleans

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agent-maroon said:

AgGrad99 said:

I mean, let's be real...yeah, those barriers are poorly thought out.

But bad guys are going to do bad things.

We stop them one way, they'll use another. It's what makes them bad.
Virtually impossible to think of every possible way a terrorist could do their thing. Expression I heard as a design engineer - "The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot." Replace "idiot" with "terrorist" and the same principle applies.


In a similar situation, my family is in the manufacturing business, and one of the things they made was to hold video games in retail stores. They were getting stolen so frequently, they had to start making the cages lockable (this seems obvious now but we are talking 29 years ago). Then when they got the locking cages, come to find out the wire mesh on the doors was too wide spread, and kids with small hands could get through there, open the cases, and bend the CD's (that old of games) just enough to not break but still slip out the wire. And we starting using the phrase 'locks only keep the honest people out'.

This doesn't detract from the fact that American citizens were failed by their government. Especially if like all of these types of things, school shootings, terrorist attacks, we find out later that they were all showing all the signs of doing something like this and on FBI 'radars' but somehow nothing was ever done. But if this guy wanted to do this bad enough, no amount of physical impediment would have stopped him.

Ban guns, people kill with knives and bats. Block the roads, they take the sidewalk. As many have stated, a free society like we value can only do so much when there are people who don't share those values. We have a very broken system of the types of people we let in this country, and many we didn't let in that came anyway. I know this guy was born and raised in Texas, but this type of thing doesn't seem to happen with non-Muslim immigrants at any generation. But by all means, next time we are getting on a flight, continue to check my 85 year old grandmother's suitcase because her hair curler was 1/8" too long while a cohort of people who look like afghan goat herders go right through security.
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kind of scary...

but there was a very large gathering of people about a month ago...

in a location that is much closer to Houston than New Orleans

fair to wonder if he was thinking about it
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Still injured 7 other people in the process.
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Houston Lee said:




They've really gotta get better at not being so obvious when they groom home grown terrorists. How one of the FBI and CIA's primary functions became manufacturing terrorism is absolutely insane to me.
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titan said:

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I generally agree with that. But it's kind of hard to expel people born in Beaumont.

There is an easy answer for the immigrants and now that Trump is President we can as a country have a sane conversation about that. But that doesn't solve the millions of Muslims that were born here. Remember the Ft Hood cat was born here too.

Oh, true. That is what makes it thorny. What was actually talking about was one safe's post --- that kind of thing going on would rate even the expulsion of those born by Britain, and that too, has happened in history. And certainly the removal of those agitators stirring those up (a shortcut that is less drastic). This is not something to advocate for, just something that may eventuate if such extremes reached.

What's the "easy answer for immigrants" by the way?


Yea fair point. there is not an easy answer for immigrants. Just an easier answer than for those born here.

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agent-maroon said:

AgGrad99 said:

I mean, let's be real...yeah, those barriers are poorly thought out.

But bad guys are going to do bad things.

We stop them one way, they'll use another. It's what makes them bad.
Virtually impossible to think of every possible way a terrorist could do their thing. Expression I heard as a design engineer - "The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot." Replace "idiot" with "terrorist" and the same principle applies.
They were so correct. One of the best examples of that is ship designs. They design to prevent the last sinking and any they can obviously fore-see, only to find out some hidden gap in the picture that undoes the whole thing -- a sequence that goes a certain way, or a fool that omits Y procedure at exactly the wrong time, or just an unexpected property of the materials failing.
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It's very hard if not impossible to stop people that are willing And expecting to die.
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Waffledynamics said:

This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them, and it would be inevitable once you give the government the power to do some of the things said in this thread.

There will be no ethnic cleansing or mass deportation of people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. There will be no shutting down of houses of worship.

What the heck happened here?


This is where you have to separate ideology from ethnicity.

I'm not criticizing anyone's skin color or ancestry. But Islam isn't a skin color, it's a philosophy.

To quote Sam Harris (controversial as he may be) "we have to be able to criticize bad ideas, and Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas".

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Islam is the reason. It is always Islam. But you notice no politician has the guts to say so openly except Holland's Geert Wilders.
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agent-maroon said:

"The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot."
We try to idiot proof our aircraft to keep maintainers from screwing up, but society keeps coming up with new and improved idiots.

Seriously, we had a guy bust a latching system where he had to get a drill motor and rig up cable drive system to bypass the perfectly good actuator that would perform the latching by pushing a button. A whole Rube Goldberg device was constructed to prove his idiocy.
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infinity ag said:

Islam is the reason. It is always Islam. But you notice no politician has the guts to say so openly except Holland's Geert Wilders.
Several of the East European leaders will. And of course Putin does.
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The argument shouldn't be that we have let in too many islamists, the argument should be that we have let in too many illegal migrants regardless of ethnicity or religion.
There is no reason for us to allow the large number of immigrants, legal or illegal, that we do. NONE.

It is national suicide, exactly as is playing out all over Europe.
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It's always frustrating when someone puts effort in to being the next idiot.
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At some point it's not immigration anymore it's a straight out invasion.

We're past that point.
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StandUpforAmerica said:



Lee Corso has a point
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newbie11 said:

It's very hard if not impossible to stop people that are willing And expecting to die.
There are very few ways. One of the only ones is to impose dire consequences on their cause or cares. But that is generally too broad. Israel is trying with Gaza currently, for example.
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sts7049 said:

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JUST IN: Law enforcement sources have CONFIRMED Matt Livelsberger, 37, of Colorado Springs, was the Trump Las Vegas Cybertruck Bomber, per NewsNation

Livelsberger, who kiIIed himself in the blast, was still an ACTIVE DUTY Green Beret operations sergeant who was on leave from Germany, where he was serving with 10th SFG, per multiple US officials.

Authorities are continuing to investigate a link between Livelsberger and the New Orleans attacker, as they both served at the SAME base, Fort Bragg, and both rented EVs from Turo.

This is getting weirder by the hour.



i dunno why the turo thing keeps coming up as some kind of unusual connection. its a rental app used by tons of people.
Probably because people like me had never heard of it before yesterday. Nobody I have talked to were familiar with it, either.
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Hahah I just realized Turo was a car share website. So somebody else owned that 2023 Ford Lightning? Imagine leasing your car out through a website and some dude uses it in a terrorist attack.
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fc2112 said:

Hahah I just realized Turo was a car share website. So somebody else owned that 2023 Ford Lightning? Imagine leasing your car out through a website and some dude uses it in a terrorist attack.


I am no insurance expert but I have a feeling that whatever policy covers that truck does not included "damaged in a deliberate act of terrorism."
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I am no insurance expert but I have a feeling that whatever policy covers that truck does not included "damaged in a deliberate act of terrorism."
And you would be correct in that assumption.
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So the owner of that truck just set $60k on fire?

And the Cybertruck? Literally blew up $80k?

EDIT: Maybe the Ford Lightning can be repaired, but I'm guessing at least $20k in damage.
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Turo is having a really bad week. Like, so bad they may not recover from it.
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BillYeoman said:

fc2112 said:

Hahah I just realized Turo was a car share website. So somebody else owned that 2023 Ford Lightning? Imagine leasing your car out through a website and some dude uses it in a terrorist attack.


I am no insurance expert but I have a feeling that whatever policy covers that truck does not included "damaged in a deliberate act of terrorism."
Owner will have to argue "but it was standard collision with another vehicle that caused the damage."
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titan said:

BillYeoman said:

fc2112 said:

Hahah I just realized Turo was a car share website. So somebody else owned that 2023 Ford Lightning? Imagine leasing your car out through a website and some dude uses it in a terrorist attack.


I am no insurance expert but I have a feeling that whatever policy covers that truck does not included "damaged in a deliberate act of terrorism."
Owner will have to argue "but it was standard collision with another vehicle that caused the damage."


I have no idea where those bullet holes, ISIS flag and bad guy brain matter came from.
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Me either.

When they filed their S1 (to go public)... they had 161k active vehicles, in 2022.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/11/22878329/turo-car-sharing-ipo-s1-stock-price-losses

By comparison, Hertz had 428k, in 2022. Enterprise over a million. Davis 400k.

Now, consider these are EVs. The Tesla CyberTruck is an $80k vehicle. Surprising to me it would be on Turo... especially in Colorado Springs.

but then... Turo isn't my market.
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DallasAg 94 said:

Me either.

When they filed their S1 (to go public)... they had 161k active vehicles, in 2022.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/11/22878329/turo-car-sharing-ipo-s1-stock-price-losses

By comparison, Hertz had 428k, in 2022. Enterprise over a million. Davis 400k.

Now, consider these are EVs. The Tesla CyberTruck is an $80k vehicle. Surprising to me it would be on Turo... especially in Colorado Springs.

but then... Turo isn't my market.


There are 16 cyber trucks in Colorado Springs for rent on turo right now

They are around 275 bucks a day, ranging from 175 to 575 per day.

And that's why people rent them. When i was active, I was renting out a little hatchback (long story on how I got the car) for about 75/day and it was renting out 15 days a month on average.

As a host, you get to choose 4 levels of insurance coverage, provided by turo.

If you want 100% replacement coverage, you give up more of the trip earnings, something around 40%.

If you basically no damage coverage, you take up to 90% of the earnings

They also provide trip insurance to meet minimum liability standards.



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DallasAg 94 said:

Me either.

When they filed their S1 (to go public)... they had 161k active vehicles, in 2022.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/11/22878329/turo-car-sharing-ipo-s1-stock-price-losses

By comparison, Hertz had 428k, in 2022. Enterprise over a million. Davis 400k.

Now, consider these are EVs. The Tesla CyberTruck is an $80k vehicle. Surprising to me it would be on Turo... especially in Colorado Springs.

but then... Turo isn't my market.


You can actually rent some pretty fancy cars on Turo. Wouldn't surprise me if the reason he used Turo was it was the only place he could find a cybertruck to rent.
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DallasAg 94 said:

Me either.

When they filed their S1 (to go public)... they had 161k active vehicles, in 2022.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/11/22878329/turo-car-sharing-ipo-s1-stock-price-losses

By comparison, Hertz had 428k, in 2022. Enterprise over a million. Davis 400k.

Now, consider these are EVs. The Tesla CyberTruck is an $80k vehicle. Surprising to me it would be on Turo... especially in Colorado Springs.

but then... Turo isn't my market.


Turo rents lots of high end vehicles. Numerous Lamborghini's, Bentleys, McLarens, Ferraris available tomorrow in Dallas
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I've used them a couple of times and prefer them to the big rental places. Hertz has been known to just report a vehicle stolen, even when it's under a valid and paid rental agreement, simply because they can't keep their own **** straight. They've literally had people arrested and thrown in jail only to come back and say, "Oh, wait, nevermind. We just can't communicate." I will NEVER rent from Hertz.

Enterprise tried to **** me the last time I had to rent from them after being rear ended. They didn't have their walk-around damage paperwork ready when I had to pick it up, but assured me it was all square. I took pictures just in case and documented every nick and scratch. After they picked it up at the body shop I picked up my truck from, they called and told me there was a dent in the front bumper and they were charging me hundreds of dollars for it. They'd also already sent it out for repair, so I couldn't look at it either. I went to their office and showed them the pictures from when I picked it up from them of a giant dent in the bumper. Girl at the counter didn't even check the date or anything and apologized and said the charges would be reversed. I'm 100% certain they were just running a scam with how easily they folded when challenged.
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What were his parents background? He is 42 and birn here. Anyone know? Brother says they were raised cheistian.
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agent-maroon said:

sts7049 said:

Biz Ag said:



Quote:

JUST IN: Law enforcement sources have CONFIRMED Matt Livelsberger, 37, of Colorado Springs, was the Trump Las Vegas Cybertruck Bomber, per NewsNation

Livelsberger, who kiIIed himself in the blast, was still an ACTIVE DUTY Green Beret operations sergeant who was on leave from Germany, where he was serving with 10th SFG, per multiple US officials.

Authorities are continuing to investigate a link between Livelsberger and the New Orleans attacker, as they both served at the SAME base, Fort Bragg, and both rented EVs from Turo.

This is getting weirder by the hour.



i dunno why the turo thing keeps coming up as some kind of unusual connection. its a rental app used by tons of people.
Probably because people like me had never heard of it before yesterday. Nobody I have talked to were familiar with it, either.
i guess you're an old? i dunno what to tell you. it's been around for awhile now and a far better (and cheaper) experience than renting from the big rental companies.

making a connection to turo or blaming their role in this is really as misguided as blaming boeing for every plane crash
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sts7049 said:

agent-maroon said:

sts7049 said:

Biz Ag said:



Quote:

JUST IN: Law enforcement sources have CONFIRMED Matt Livelsberger, 37, of Colorado Springs, was the Trump Las Vegas Cybertruck Bomber, per NewsNation

Livelsberger, who kiIIed himself in the blast, was still an ACTIVE DUTY Green Beret operations sergeant who was on leave from Germany, where he was serving with 10th SFG, per multiple US officials.

Authorities are continuing to investigate a link between Livelsberger and the New Orleans attacker, as they both served at the SAME base, Fort Bragg, and both rented EVs from Turo.

This is getting weirder by the hour.



i dunno why the turo thing keeps coming up as some kind of unusual connection. its a rental app used by tons of people.
Probably because people like me had never heard of it before yesterday. Nobody I have talked to were familiar with it, either.
i guess you're an old? i dunno what to tell you. it's been around for awhile now and a far better (and cheaper) experience than renting from the big rental companies.

making a connection to turo or blaming their role in this is really as misguided as blaming boeing for every plane crash


Now imagine it's an AR.....
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agent-maroon said:

sts7049 said:

Biz Ag said:



Quote:

JUST IN: Law enforcement sources have CONFIRMED Matt Livelsberger, 37, of Colorado Springs, was the Trump Las Vegas Cybertruck Bomber, per NewsNation

Livelsberger, who kiIIed himself in the blast, was still an ACTIVE DUTY Green Beret operations sergeant who was on leave from Germany, where he was serving with 10th SFG, per multiple US officials.

Authorities are continuing to investigate a link between Livelsberger and the New Orleans attacker, as they both served at the SAME base, Fort Bragg, and both rented EVs from Turo.

This is getting weirder by the hour.



i dunno why the turo thing keeps coming up as some kind of unusual connection. its a rental app used by tons of people.
Probably because people like me had never heard of it before yesterday. Nobody I have talked to were familiar with it, either.
Same here. Saw Turo mentioned in several posts and wondered what the heck it was.
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People that buy too much second/weekend/crisis vehicle try to use TURO short term rental to recover some of the cost by renting it out. I suppose it makes sense for some people, but it is an option for renting something that isn't a plain rental fleet vehicle.
 
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