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ABATTBQ11 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

GAC06 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Ag13 said:

TexasAggie_02 said:

nortex97 said:

They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.



('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.





Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?




This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.


Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack


The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.


That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.


Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?


I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?


Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
I fear this is precisely what Historians will be asking about Western Civilization in a few hundred years.

We should have never mass imported Muslims to begin with. Their religion and our culture are oil and water. They follow a sick genocidal pedophile who forced a SIX year old into marriage to be his sex slave and sucked the tongues of his grandchildren.
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I'm not sure how you go about expelling natural born citizens regardless if their ancestry is Muslim.

But one thing that could make it more difficult for these animals is to lock down the internet in this country from Islamic garbage such as I have seen talked about in this thread. Those sites that foreigners use to recruit losers like this sack of ***** Seems like China prevents stuff it does not want its citizens to access, so this can absolutely be done here as well.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

GAC06 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Ag13 said:

TexasAggie_02 said:

nortex97 said:

They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.



('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.





Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?




This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.


Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack


The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.


That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.


Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?


I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?


Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
do you have locks on your house and car? why?
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James Forsyth said:

FTAG 2000 said:

They make portable bollocks. Could alternatively put big concrete planters out.

But when your DEI hyper focused granny police chief and all her DEI sycophants are running the show, common sense goes out the door and people DIE.


The NOLA chief is a relative of my wife's whom I've met many times. Very sharp lady (teaches at the FBI). She's not a DEI hire. She was hired by NOLA to work on the murder rate and the broken relationship between the community and the NOPD. She did the same in Spokane and was hired by Oakland to fix their PD. Murder rate in Oakland went down 2 straight years under her watch. She was fired by the mayor (black female if that helps with your DEI narrative) for uncovering corruption and not playing ball on same. She won a significant wrongful termination lawsuit against the city. She's won bi-partisan praise in NOLA for her changes to the NOPD and crime drop.

I have no first-hand knowledge of any failures in this terror attack, but the idea that she's unqualified is silly.

Also, the word you're searching for is "bollards", not "bollocks".

Have you asked her about the 2 pedestrians she hit in August?

I don't know; I've looked over her resume and I'm torn. Its very minimal for actual police work (less than a decade, or at least, less than 15 years) but heavy on middle and upper management. She graduated from law school, although I don't know if she's licensed anywhere. She's been chief MOSTLY at smaller places no one has ever heard of, using those places to advance, along with Spokane and Oakland, while spending only a few months elsewhere like Chicago and even did a stint at a Sheriff's office for a year or two about a decade ago. She's got FBI written all over her resume, and includes all the right DEI codewords on there. So maybe she isn't a DEI hire per se, and maybe she is competent, but she sure wrote her resume so woke hiring commissions or city councils would find it attractive.
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Old Army Ghost said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

GAC06 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Ag13 said:

TexasAggie_02 said:

nortex97 said:

They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.



('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.





Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?




This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.


Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack


The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.


That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.


Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?


I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?


Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
do you have locks on your house and car? why?


Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
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JCA1 said:

Old Army Ghost said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

GAC06 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Ag13 said:

TexasAggie_02 said:

nortex97 said:

They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.



('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.





Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?




This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.


Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack


The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.


That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.


Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?


I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?


Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
do you have locks on your house and car? why?


Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of life
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I fear this is what Historians will be asking about Western Civilization in a few hundred years. "Why didn't they protect their lands better?"
Theirs would be a more complex task. Asking "How did a wide spread of traitorous to their own nations cabal manage to take over so many governments at the same time?" "Indications are their policies were NOT selected by their peoples but in defiance of them. How did this happen?"

Put differently, this is not a 'mistake' like the Roman gamble with admitting Germanic tribes to a degree --- but knowing importation of destructive elements with no constructive value. The Romans would have executed the equivalent of the agitator activist mullah turning his group against the society like Britian is having. (and here lesser so).
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This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them, and it would be inevitable once you give the government the power to do some of the things said in this thread.

There will be no ethnic cleansing or mass deportation of people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. There will be no shutting down of houses of worship.

What the heck happened here?
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Old Army Ghost said:

JCA1 said:

Old Army Ghost said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

GAC06 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

GAC06 said:

JCA1 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

Ag13 said:

TexasAggie_02 said:

nortex97 said:

They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.



('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.





Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?




This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.


Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack


The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.


That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.


Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?


I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?


Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
do you have locks on your house and car? why?


Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of life


Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
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GiggityAg01 said:

agsalaska said:

I generally agree with that. But it's kind of hard to expel people born in Beaumont.

There is an easy answer for the immigrants and now that Trump is President we can as a country have a sane conversation about that. But that doesn't solve the millions of Muslims that were born here. Remember the Ft Hood cat was born here too.

The easy solution is anyone who immigrated past some time - like 1900 - is deported in EO #1. We really are in a place where there's no other choice.


An ethnostate would solve the vast majority of crime and issues like this overnight, but that's not ever going to happen.
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Bro we ARE up in arms because those things ARE happening to us.
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Anti-taxxer said:

MAROON said:

DallasAg 94 said:

With all the criticism...

Latoya Cantrell... NO Mayor... she is good. Not sure if she is competent, but she spoke well transitioning from a time of tragedy and fear to a time to move forward. She was sincere and empathetic, but also assuring that "New Orleans is ready."

Not to dismiss the tragedy, but we do have areas of life that have recovery and healing...

Haven't seem the press conference , but she is one of the worst (and most corrupt) Mayors in the country.

She's shockingly bad


Worse than "We're Gonna Build a Chocolate City" Mayor?

I can't remember his name.
Ray Nagin. Sentenced to 10 years in prison. Latoya has not been indicted, but I think she's still is under investigation by various authorities.

Timeline of the Mayor LaToya Cantrell federal investigation | wwltv.com
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JCA1 said:



Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.


This isn't some random act of violence by someone who snapped. "Address what causes people to do this…" that's the most westernized mind I've read on this thread. Most Americans just can not rationalize that people hate us and that is what drives them to perpetrate terrorist activities. How exactly do you address that?
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

JCA1 said:



Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.


This isn't some random act of violence by someone who snapped. "Address what causes people to do this…" that's the most westernized mind I've read on this thread. Most Americans just can not rationalize that people hate us and that is what drives them to perpetrate terrorist activities. How exactly do you address that?



I understand what likely caused him to do this was adopting a particularly virulent strain of Islam that he probably sought out to try and give his life some meaning as it was falling apart. So, yes, those ideologies will need to be defeated if we don't want these types of things to happen in the future. How that's accomplished is not so clear though.
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Stop importing more Islam.
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From NOLA originally and live there most days. Hate Catrell. The recall was fixed by her cronies as they rejected signatures. I also don't belive the FBI regarding the lone wolf theory. We are being lied to.
Just to reopen Bourbon St.
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91AggieLawyer said:

James Forsyth said:

FTAG 2000 said:

They make portable bollocks. Could alternatively put big concrete planters out.

But when your DEI hyper focused granny police chief and all her DEI sycophants are running the show, common sense goes out the door and people DIE.


The NOLA chief is a relative of my wife's whom I've met many times. Very sharp lady (teaches at the FBI). She's not a DEI hire. She was hired by NOLA to work on the murder rate and the broken relationship between the community and the NOPD. She did the same in Spokane and was hired by Oakland to fix their PD. Murder rate in Oakland went down 2 straight years under her watch. She was fired by the mayor (black female if that helps with your DEI narrative) for uncovering corruption and not playing ball on same. She won a significant wrongful termination lawsuit against the city. She's won bi-partisan praise in NOLA for her changes to the NOPD and crime drop.

I have no first-hand knowledge of any failures in this terror attack, but the idea that she's unqualified is silly.

Also, the word you're searching for is "bollards", not "bollocks".

Have you asked her about the 2 pedestrians she hit in August?

I don't know; I've looked over her resume and I'm torn. Its very minimal for actual police work (less than a decade, or at least, less than 15 years) but heavy on middle and upper management. She graduated from law school, although I don't know if she's licensed anywhere. She's been chief MOSTLY at smaller places no one has ever heard of, using those places to advance, along with Spokane and Oakland, while spending only a few months elsewhere like Chicago and even did a stint at a Sheriff's office for a year or two about a decade ago. She's got FBI written all over her resume, and includes all the right DEI codewords on there. So maybe she isn't a DEI hire per se, and maybe she is competent, but she sure wrote her resume so woke hiring commissions or city councils would find it attractive.
People can go on all they want about how good a cop she used to be.
All I will remember is "We had a plan and the terrorist defeated it"
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Looks like it started a conversation...


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TexasRebel said:

Sher Thing said:

Apparently multiple people were opening the coolers that contained the explosives and would just shut them and go about there night. I guess this made it difficult for law enforcement to find out who knew about these coolers or not.


It's Louisiana. If a Cajun sees a cooler he's gonna open it.


Did it say free Corn Dogs on the side?
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What the Hell...!!

It looked like wasn't even phased and kept going. (True would have to see minutes after to be sure)

But if how it looks, maybe if the drive was immediately taken and shot it would deter such.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

TyHolden said:

Stephen McGee just went off on the FBI on the morning show.....
What's his username here?
I wish he posted on here...he's a solid dude.


It is either MonkeyKnifeFight, Sea Speeder, or FBIisbullcrap.
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Waffledynamics said:

This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them
But I am not a follower of a violent genocidal pedophile, so I am not the same. My forefathers embraced traditional culture and values that were not completely antithetical to the west and everything it has always stood for.

I have seen calls for deportations, but must have missed the "ethnic cleansing" stuff.

Can you not at least admit that we have let in FAR TOO MANY ISLAMISTS? Why do we need so many? I suppose you'd weep if we put a ban on new Islamic migrants, which would clearly not hurt this country...only the feelings of the left, who, ironically, consider themselves allies of islamic cretins.

I am sorry, but if you blindly follow a warped murdering pervert who FORCED A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL INTO MARRIAGE, you are a POS. No way I'd follow Jesus if he were half the monster.
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You seem to be overstating what is discussed. And you haven't been on this thread, which is driving
much of it in general:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3520616
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Waffledynamics said:

This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them
But I am not a follower of a violent genocidal pedophile, so I am not the same. My forefathers embraced traditional culture and values that were not completely antithetical to the west and everything it has always stood for.

I have seen calls for deportations, but must have missed the "ethnic cleansing" stuff.

Can you not at least admit that we have let in FAR TOO MANY ISLAMISTS? Why do we need so many? I suppose you'd weep if we put a ban on new Islamic migrants, which would clearly not hurt this country...only the feelings of the left, who, ironically, consider themselves allies of islamic cretins.

I am sorry, but if you blindly follow a warped murdering pervert who FORCED A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL INTO MARRIAGE, you are a POS. No way I'd follow Jesus if he were half the monster.



The argument shouldn't be that we have let in too many islamists, the argument should be that we have let in too many illegal migrants regardless of ethnicity or religion.
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Waffledynamics said:

This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them, and it would be inevitable once you give the government the power to do some of the things said in this thread.

There will be no ethnic cleansing or mass deportation of people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. There will be no shutting down of houses of worship.

What the heck happened here?


-Deport any and all here illegally
-Stop new immigration from certain countries
-Don't renew visas and send them back when expired
-Investigate and incarcerate those making any kind of terroristic threat instead of letting them go

Which part of the constitution did I just violate?
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JUST IN: Law enforcement sources have CONFIRMED Matt Livelsberger, 37, of Colorado Springs, was the Trump Las Vegas Cybertruck Bomber, per NewsNation

Livelsberger, who kiIIed himself in the blast, was still an ACTIVE DUTY Green Beret operations sergeant who was on leave from Germany, where he was serving with 10th SFG, per multiple US officials.

Authorities are continuing to investigate a link between Livelsberger and the New Orleans attacker, as they both served at the SAME base, Fort Bragg, and both rented EVs from Turo.

This is getting weirder by the hour.



i dunno why the turo thing keeps coming up as some kind of unusual connection. its a rental app used by tons of people.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Waffledynamics said:

This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them
But I am not a follower of a violent genocidal pedophile, so I am not the same. My forefathers embraced traditional culture and values that were not completely antithetical to the west and everything it has always stood for.

I have seen calls for deportations, but must have missed the "ethnic cleansing" stuff.

Can you not at least admit that we have let in FAR TOO MANY ISLAMISTS? Why do we need so many? I suppose you'd weep if we put a ban on new Islamic migrants, which would clearly not hurt this country...only the feelings of the left, who, ironically, consider themselves allies of islamic cretins.

I am sorry, but if you blindly follow a warped murdering pervert who FORCED A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL INTO MARRIAGE, you are a POS. No way I'd follow Jesus if he were half the monster.


I'm not here to debate the merits of Islam as a religion as I don't agree with it and am not interested in going to bat for it.

The part about ethnic cleansing is in reference to people talking about shutting mosques (blatant First Amendment violation) and deporting all Muslims (expelling a people from an area or country).

That is psychotic stuff, and there's no way in hell anyone here should trust the government with the ability to do any of those things.
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doubledog said:

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They make portable bollocks. Could alternatively put big concrete planters out.

But when your DEI hyper focused granny police chief and all her DEI sycophants are running the show, common sense goes out the door and people DIE.


The NOLA chief is a relative of my wife's whom I've met many times. Very sharp lady (teaches at the FBI). She's not a DEI hire. She was hired by NOLA to work on the murder rate and the broken relationship between the community and the NOPD. She did the same in Spokane and was hired by Oakland to fix their PD. Murder rate in Oakland went down 2 straight years under her watch. She was fired by the mayor (black female if that helps with your DEI narrative) for uncovering corruption and not playing ball on same. She won a significant wrongful termination lawsuit against the city. She's won bi-partisan praise in NOLA for her changes to the NOPD and crime drop.

I have no first-hand knowledge of any failures in this terror attack, but the idea that she's unqualified is silly.

Also, the word you're searching for is "bollards", not "bollocks".

Have you asked her about the 2 pedestrians she hit in August?

I don't know; I've looked over her resume and I'm torn. Its very minimal for actual police work (less than a decade, or at least, less than 15 years) but heavy on middle and upper management. She graduated from law school, although I don't know if she's licensed anywhere. She's been chief MOSTLY at smaller places no one has ever heard of, using those places to advance, along with Spokane and Oakland, while spending only a few months elsewhere like Chicago and even did a stint at a Sheriff's office for a year or two about a decade ago. She's got FBI written all over her resume, and includes all the right DEI codewords on there. So maybe she isn't a DEI hire per se, and maybe she is competent, but she sure wrote her resume so woke hiring commissions or city councils would find it attractive.
People can go on all they want about how good a cop she used to be.
All I will remember is "We had a plan and the terrorist defeated it"

Yeah, one of the advanced topics of my leadership class is crisis planning and within that is a good communications plan/protocol. That statement certainly doesn't fit anywhere near that, and I'm the farthest thing you can get from a PC speech guy. As you sort of insinuate, the question becomes, what other plans do you have that terrorists (or any other criminals for that matter) can defeat?
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JCA1 said:

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nortex97 said:

They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?

I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.



('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).

This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.





Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?




This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.

What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.


Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.

In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack


The point is that even if the barrier was there the driver could have still gone onto the sidewalk around it just like he did to go around the police car that was there in place of the barrier.


That's why bollards are necessary on the sidewalk. The whole point is that the expensive retractable metal barrier is pointless if you can just drive around it.


Assume they had done so and Bourbon wasn't accessible, what's your plan for every other road in the Quarter? The literally hundreds of people walking up and down the sidewalk on Canal? magazine st? The tailgates and people crossing the street in the hundreds to get into the Sugar Bowl?


I acknowledged earlier that even with proper barriers on Bourbon, he could have attacked elsewhere. That doesn't mean you don't need security at high value targets. Why guard a nuclear power plant? They'll just attack somewhere else right?


Yeah, but you'd be saying this exact same thing about wherever they attack. If it wasn't Bourbon street, it would be somewhere else and the exact same, "Why didn't they protect it better?" question would be asked.
do you have locks on your house and car? why?


Ordinary precautions were taken. A police car was placed in front of Bourbon. He drove up on the sidewalk to get around it. What people seem to be mad at is the city didn't anticipate this exact type of terrorist attack at this exact location and plan for it. That seems to asking way too much, in addition to probably not doing anything but changing the location of where this horrible event took place.
yeah after having dozens of these style attcaks we just need to accept it as a way of life


Ok, then thumbs down guy, you tell me your plan then. Assume something like this is unacceptable and should be prevented (a vehicle given an opportunity to strike 50+ pedestrians). What's your plan for protecting Houston. Anywhere there's ever more than 50 people in a parking lot, crossing a street, congregating somewhere, I need to know how you're going to ensure they are safe. Because that's what you're demanding. So, what's the plan for NRG, the Galleria, memorial park, what used to be Minute Maid stadium, downtown?
old army won't answer you because he knows there is no full proof method to protect everyone, everywhere, at any time.

Notice how he hasn't said anything about the bombs this guy planted on the street. He had a backup plan for destruction if his truck method failed. I suppose old army wants to ban people walking on streets as well to protect others???

There is only so much that can be done to deter attacks. However, if someone wants to cause destruction they will one way or another and there isn't anything anyone can do to stop it. Period.
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Waffledynamics said:

This thread has gone clear off the rails with people advocating for literal ethnic cleansing and severe violations of basic Constitutional rights. Quite frankly, I can't even fathom how those advocating for those things don't see how they would be rightly up-in-arms over the same things happening to them, and it would be inevitable once you give the government the power to do some of the things said in this thread.

There will be no ethnic cleansing or mass deportation of people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. There will be no shutting down of houses of worship.

What the heck happened here?

I'm going to guess all the murder and terrorism...but maybe I'm misreading the situation.

I understand your point, and agree. But I also think we need to have a conversation, about how we protect our freedoms and Constitution, without it being abused in the name of religion.
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Notice how he hasn't said anything about the bombs this guy planted on the street. He had a backup plan for destruction if his truck method failed.
I think it may have been the other way around. His remote detonators were not working from wherever was his location was so he took the truck to get closer? He miscalculated the range for the remotes to work?
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Thank God Matthew Nothingberger was an incompetent idiot. Green Beret? Special Forces? He plans a terrorist attack with fireworks and unleaded gas and only kills himself.
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v1rotate92 said:

Thank God Matthew Nothingberger was an incompetent idiot. Green Beret? Special Forces? He plans a terrorist attack with fireworks and unleaded gas and only kills himself.

Was it a terrorist attack or elaborate suicide?
 
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