Essentially fake bombs. Like Ahmed's cool clock.Philip J Fry said:
What are non functional IEDS? Does this mean they were IEDs, but not designed properly, we're just made to look like IEDs, or not IEDs at all?
I wish he posted on here...he's a solid dude.Ellis Wyatt said:What's his username here?TyHolden said:
Stephen McGee just went off on the FBI on the morning show.....
Ellis Wyatt said:I am not blaming them, but they did not do nearly enough to protect people in this circumstance. Thank God the police were on station and acted quickly. THEY are heroes.Old May Banker said:
While I agree that NOLA is lacking in good governance, blaming any of this on them takes away from the fact that a radicalized Muslim did this.
The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
If you're trying to block someone from driving into a pedestrian area, you have to actually block access to the pedestrian area, not just the street itself. I assume they'll now take that into account when they complete their safety plan in a decade or so.Old May Banker said:Ellis Wyatt said:I am not blaming them, but they did not do nearly enough to protect people in this circumstance. Thank God the police were on station and acted quickly. THEY are heroes.Old May Banker said:
While I agree that NOLA is lacking in good governance, blaming any of this on them takes away from the fact that a radicalized Muslim did this.
I don't disagree they could have done more - especially in hindsight - but the guy went around a police cruiser, blocking the road. If someone is hell bent on killing / destruction, it's hell to be properly prepared without an onerous government. JMO.
Aggies1322 said:
Not to mention I bet most of the mfers at his mosque saw his social media videos. No one phoned the police to say "hey he posted these kinda crazy vids".
Pathetic.
Ha. Remember that fool ,and the media fawning on him.Ellis Wyatt said:Essentially fake bombs. Like Ahmed's cool clock.Philip J Fry said:
What are non functional IEDS? Does this mean they were IEDs, but not designed properly, we're just made to look like IEDs, or not IEDs at all?
TexasRebel said:
ANFO doesn't need a concussion, does it?
AmmonAl does, but ANFO is much more volatile.
Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
A couple of Jersey barriers, borrowed from the public works department, placed on the sidewalk would have stopped or slowed down the terrorist. A terrorist on a motor scooter would have driven around any barrier. That is not the point.Old May Banker said:Ellis Wyatt said:I am not blaming them, but they did not do nearly enough to protect people in this circumstance. Thank God the police were on station and acted quickly. THEY are heroes.Old May Banker said:
While I agree that NOLA is lacking in good governance, blaming any of this on them takes away from the fact that a radicalized Muslim did this.
I don't disagree they could have done more - especially in hindsight - but the guy went around a police cruiser, blocking the road. If someone is hell bent on killing / destruction, it's hell to be properly prepared without an onerous government. JMO.
Anne Kirkpatrick, New Orleans Chief of Police at press conference reacting to the terrorist attackers says the city was working on putting permanent blockades around the Quarter, “We had a plan but the terrorist defeated it.” (By driving around them on the sidewalk). pic.twitter.com/H7qTp1gxqC
— Raymond Arroyo (@RaymondArroyo) January 1, 2025
Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
JUST IN - FBI says New Orleans terrorist had "acted alone."
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) January 2, 2025
And yet there was enough intel to move a major sporting event.aggiedata said:
OkJUST IN - FBI says New Orleans terrorist had "acted alone."
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) January 2, 2025
DallasAg 94 said:
With all the criticism...
Latoya Cantrell... NO Mayor... she is good. Not sure if she is competent, but she spoke well transitioning from a time of tragedy and fear to a time to move forward. She was sincere and empathetic, but also assuring that "New Orleans is ready."
Not to dismiss the tragedy, but we do have areas of life that have recovery and healing...
Maybe not, other than if he was `on radar' just quietly being bulleted somewhere along the line. A victim of the rising crime rate. You are right, just picture his truck driving straight and finding another location.JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
This lady surely strikes fear into future perps everywhere. DEI poster 'child'. Guess that term doesn't quite fit.doubledog said:A couple of Jersey barriers, borrowed from the public works department, placed on the sidewalk would have stopped or slowed down the terrorist. A terrorist on a motor scooter would have driven around any barrier. That is not the point.Old May Banker said:Ellis Wyatt said:I am not blaming them, but they did not do nearly enough to protect people in this circumstance. Thank God the police were on station and acted quickly. THEY are heroes.Old May Banker said:
While I agree that NOLA is lacking in good governance, blaming any of this on them takes away from the fact that a radicalized Muslim did this.
I don't disagree they could have done more - especially in hindsight - but the guy went around a police cruiser, blocking the road. If someone is hell bent on killing / destruction, it's hell to be properly prepared without an onerous government. JMO.
To quote the police chief "We had a plan and the terrorist defeated it" I think that sums it up nicely.Anne Kirkpatrick, New Orleans Chief of Police at press conference reacting to the terrorist attackers says the city was working on putting permanent blockades around the Quarter, “We had a plan but the terrorist defeated it.” (By driving around them on the sidewalk). pic.twitter.com/H7qTp1gxqC
— Raymond Arroyo (@RaymondArroyo) January 1, 2025
JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
About a dozen years ago, large concrete planters were quietly installed all around American Airlines Center in Dallas. Good job.Tramp96 said:FTAG 2000 said:
They make portable bollocks. Could alternatively put big concrete planters out.
But when your DEI hyper focused granny police chief and all her DEI sycophants are running the show, common sense goes out the door and people DIE.
Given we just had a vehicle attack in German Christmas markets mere weeks ago, it's criminal incompetence by her and her staff. Not holding my breathe for her to resign or be held to account.
So much this.
There are dozens of different, inexpensive ways to temporarily secure the street and sidewalks to vehicular traffic without causing a pedestrian backup.
Complete incompetence on the part of the City of New Orleans.
MAROON said:DallasAg 94 said:
With all the criticism...
Latoya Cantrell... NO Mayor... she is good. Not sure if she is competent, but she spoke well transitioning from a time of tragedy and fear to a time to move forward. She was sincere and empathetic, but also assuring that "New Orleans is ready."
Not to dismiss the tragedy, but we do have areas of life that have recovery and healing...
Haven't seem the press conference , but she is one of the worst (and most corrupt) Mayors in the country.
She's shockingly bad
The NOLA chief is a relative of my wife's whom I've met many times. Very sharp lady (teaches at the FBI). She's not a DEI hire. She was hired by NOLA to work on the murder rate and the broken relationship between the community and the NOPD. She did the same in Spokane and was hired by Oakland to fix their PD. Murder rate in Oakland went down 2 straight years under her watch. She was fired by the mayor (black female if that helps with your DEI narrative) for uncovering corruption and not playing ball on same. She won a significant wrongful termination lawsuit against the city. She's won bi-partisan praise in NOLA for her changes to the NOPD and crime drop.FTAG 2000 said:
They make portable bollocks. Could alternatively put big concrete planters out.
But when your DEI hyper focused granny police chief and all her DEI sycophants are running the show, common sense goes out the door and people DIE.
We have *******ized this country by allowing way too many people who are not like us, from riff raff countries, the real underbelly. And don't punish people nearly severely enough.zb008 said:
It's really sad that people can't enjoy themselves anymore without having to worry about an attack.
GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
maverick2076 said:TexasRebel said:
ANFO doesn't need a concussion, does it?
AmmonAl does, but ANFO is much more volatile.
ANFO is a secondary explosive. It needs a primary to detonate it, and a pretty decent one. I don't think the fireworks would've propagated enough energy quickly enough to enable detonation. It isn't that volatile.
How would barriers not have prevented this?JCA1 said:GAC06 said:JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:Ag13 said:The google street view from June 2023 shows what you are describing perfectly. There would have been plenty of room for the truck to go around the barrier even if it was up. The entire system is/was very poorly designed.TexasAggie_02 said:Also, what is shown in the photo only blocks the road. Since the barrier was down, they had a squad car there to block the road. Terrorist drive around on the sidewalk, so that barrier would not have mattered. They need pole barriers on the sidewalk as well to stop cars (maybe that is what they are installing now, I don't know).nortex97 said:
They apparently have steel barricades that can be 'erected' around Bourbon street but were not for NYE. I missed it but has an explanation been provided as to why they weren't up (these are just mechanically raised)?
I now see the community note that they were upgrading these so maybe that is it.These hydraulic steel barriers were installed on Borboun Street in New Orleans after an attack in France where the t*rrorist used his car as a weapon, k*lling 86.
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) January 1, 2025
They’re supposed to be raised between 5pm - 5am.
The city chose not to raise them last night according to a… pic.twitter.com/HExkeA8wvQ
('Diversity bollards' in the replies made me laugh).
This improvement pending might explain the target selection.
Is the system made to stop a terrorist attack or is it just simply to stop a car going down that street by accident?
This. It was never designed to thwart intentional acts, like a terrorist attack.
What do people who keep harping on this think would have happened if a barricade had been up? The guy just gives up and goes home? NOLA has pedestrians everywhere. He could have done the same thing on every other street in the Quarter as well as Canal, Magazine, Poydras, literally every street around the super dome before the Sugar Bowl, etc. I just don't get the thought that this attack could somehow have been thwarted.
Yes there are other places you can run people over. Bourbon Street is the most vulnerable area though, so barriers are absolutely needed. A narrow street that's often absolutely packed with people with nowhere to run is too obvious a target not to have something set up. This could have been a lot worse.
In Nice, 86 were killed in the same kind of attack on the same kind of target.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack
I'm fine if they want to put up barriers on Bourbon. I just don't get people harping on it like it would have prevented this. While I'm certainly not meaning to minimize the tragedy, he apparently struck about 50 people while traveling about 3 blocks. He could have achieved a similar result literally all over town. And that's ignoring their ability to change their plans in response to defensive measures.
Bottom line is you have to address what causes people to do things like this. Once they decide to do it, there's really no way to protect against it.
Virtually impossible to think of every possible way a terrorist could do their thing. Expression I heard as a design engineer - "The only thing you accomplish by making something idiot-proof is to unmask a previously unknown kind of idiot." Replace "idiot" with "terrorist" and the same principle applies.AgGrad99 said:
I mean, let's be real...yeah, those barriers are poorly thought out.
But bad guys are going to do bad things.
We stop them one way, they'll use another. It's what makes them bad.
